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NANNY RED wrote:Copied this post from the echo,(sorry for cheating) can someone tell me if this lads post is true or way off the mark im not good with money(only know how to spend it)


Who is the better businessman the yanks or rafa.Since he arrived at the club he has spent 127 mill on players but recouped 57mill by selling,that leaves a net of 70 million spent,He earned the club about 80 mill by getting them to two CL finals,so that means its cost him minus 10 million to build an excellent team unbeaten in the league so far this season.
He wants to sell carson for 10 mill a player that cost 750,000 sell siissoko for 10mill who cost 5.6mill crouch for 10 mill that cost 7 mill and risse for 4 mill bringing in 34mill.He is asking to buy a central defender for 10 mill a striker for 8 mill and most importantly mash for 17 mill this is a player thats worth over 30 mill,in total these players will cost 35 million,this means he is asking the yanks to put there hands in there pockets and pull out one million,which they will also get back because they are saving money on not paying wages on surplus players.Know wonder rafa is furious,the yanks should be on the first plane to liverpool with a blank cheque kissing his feet and saying we are not worthy we are not worthy.The man is a genius he has built a team a very good one at that for nothing.

Obviously it is a little biased    We would probably get no more than £25million for each CL FINAL ( I posted the actual figures a while back but can't remember where) I think if we got £10million for Carson now we would be very lucky, and buying a striker for £8million?

I don't think there is any doubt that Rafa has improved the profile of the club, certainly increased the value of the squad and also, would no doubt be able to balance any of his projected transfers with the sales of players. Masherano for £17million while not a £30million bargain must be seen as a good deal by any standards.

So in my opinion while he's putting a gloss on Rafas deals he hasn't gone too far.

J*o*n*D*o*e wrote:we have to be very careful how we react to the stories coming out each day in the press, careful as in who we back (if any backing is needed at all) because where not privvy to everything that is going on, we have to see both side of it, if Rafa is asking to sign players who will be available on a free then i dont see what the problem is, if he is asking for more money to spend in january then you have to see if from the other side, nearly 50 million spent in the summer, quilification to the knockout round of the CL uncertain, stadium costs rising by the day.

newcastle where poor yesterday but we took them apart without Alonso, Agger, Masc, Crouch, where still unbeaten in the league and starting to look good.

if anything it makes you wonder what all the fookin fuss is all about

J*o*n*D*o*e wrote:

s@int wrote:

J*o*n*D*o*e wrote:we have to be very careful how we react to the stories coming out each day in the press, careful as in who we back (if any backing is needed at all) because where not privvy to everything that is going on, we have to see both side of it, if Rafa is asking to sign players who will be available on a free then i dont see what the problem is, if he is asking for more money to spend in january then you have to see if from the other side, nearly 50 million spent in the summer, quilification to the knockout round of the CL uncertain, stadium costs rising by the day.

newcastle where poor yesterday but we took them apart without Alonso, Agger, Masc, Crouch, where still unbeaten in the league and starting to look good.

if anything it makes you wonder what all the fookin fuss is all about

I think when Rafa used the words free he meant (available now) and when he went on to say that he wasn't asking for money, he meant because he would be selling to buy. 

Just my take on it mate, I could be wrong.

thats why i say we need to careful because people are making there own assumptions from whatever piece of media they read or listen too.

You are of course completely right mate, I read that we are/were after 5 players, Mascherano, a centre back , a striker and 2 young south americans. As this falls more or less in line with what I would like, its obviously true.  

If it had read that we wern't going to sign Mascherano and we're going to sign a full back and a new goalkeeper it would have been dismissed as a stupid rumour

s@int wrote:

J*o*n*D*o*e wrote:You are of course completely right mate, I read that we are/were after 5 players, Mascherano, a centre back , a striker and 2 young south americans. As this falls more or less in line with what I would like, its obviously true.  

NANNY RED wrote:This article nearly brought a tear to my eye

Sunday, 25th November 2007 (13:01)
by John Davies

I sat down last night and watched the Official History DVD of Liverpool FC for the umpteenth time.

After a miserable few days with media ‘exclusive’ after another on the turmoil at Anfield I needed to take a trip down memory lane when Liverpool FC was laced with real heroes. The tough times of the 1930’s - the George Kay managed team who made it the 1950 FA Cup Final (only to miss out on the trophy). The first Liverpool team in 1892 - nearly all Scottish - and all owners of fantastic moustaches.

The day in 1959 (December 1st) when Bill Shankly arrived at our club and shook the club at the foundations and began a level of football excellence and success which has remained relatively constant for nearly half a century. From that day Liverpool became a sporting institution with one simple goal - to win trophies.

“I wanted to build Liverpool up, in to a bastion of invicibility.”

The immortal words uttered by a legend of a man who guided our club for 15 years.

What struck me most whilst trawling through the Liverpool of yesteryear was the lack of any real discussion on the Liverpool board, the directors, or the owners for that matter.

Surprising that Tom Hicks then has felt the need to issue statements publicly rebuking the manager of our club. Nearly all of our supporters were pleased with the promise when the two Americans landed at Anfield - the new stadium plan and the money promised on team improvements, coupled with long overdue desire to re-market our club as the global brand it is.

Clearly the media have over-egged the amount spent in the summer - Liverpool made a number of high profile sales in the summer months - coupled with our run to the Champions League final - it is questionable how much money has been spent out of the pockets of the Americans. In fact, how much has been spent out of Kop Football Ltd to be exact - these two American’s are not paying for the Melwood paella themselves remember.

So the media chatter of the week continued - Rafa appeared furious that he is not being allowed to begin contract discussions with players he can snag on free transfers - the Americans told him to concentrate on ‘coaching the team’ - Rafa responded suggesting they don’t understand the European transfer market and in an attack on their knowledge of football he said ‘We don’t have a draft system here’.

All good points. The American owners may know plenty about their sports ‘franchises’ but they now nothing about our great game. A game that Liverpool are one of the world’s greatest at.

For the Americans to suggest they will be over in the middle of December is simply not good enough.

Not good enough at all.

The fact they have so much faith in Rick Parry appears even more worrying. The man, who will possibly be late for his own funeral, should be sorting this mess out and reminding some people that Rafa Benitez is the man we expect to be in charge of running the club and developing our future squad.


The problem here is one of ego’s. The American’s like to appear in control, and Benitez is like a caged lion. Rick Parry lacks the skills to be able to act as a broker between the pair.

The jibes from both Benitez and Hicks that are being played out in the media need to stop. It is not the way our club has ever been run. If Rafa thinks there are deals that can begin to be sorted then the board need to stick by their promise to ‘back the manager’.

Both Hicks and Gillett appear to have turned their American and Canadian ‘franchises’ in to also-rans directly because they have been too involved in the technical side. They have said numerous times they nothing about our sport. They should leave it in the hands of the expert.

They have benefitted from huge support from the Liverpool fans since their take-over but unless they do the right things now concerning the best manager we have had for nearly 20 years then they could be in trouble.

Managers come and go, Directors come and go, Players come and go. My love is for the club - Liverpool FC - and not any individual.

We stand on the precipice of a great team becoming an outstanding team. If two American men don’t get themselves booked on to a first class flight over here very soon then they will have failed in their promise to ‘respect the great traditions of our club‘.

This lad has got it nailed on the head

Bad Bob wrote:Very worrying times.