Sabre wrote:Sometimes LFC2007, arguements are not to be confronted, but they complement each other.
Saying that I agree all you say would be saying too much, as you've made a lot of valid points this thread. But I do agree most of it, just as I agree yckatbjywtbiastkamb, one of the nicknames I never tried to spell, but that makes a lot of sense.
Bigmick's point about the relevance of a forum though, is spot on. Sometimes, it's necessary to realise what we are: a bunch of supporters talking about football. Sometimes, putting ourselves into context is a perfect complement for our opinions.
And putting our opinions in to context, is to accept that we're not influencing whatsoever to Rafa, nor LFC, THUS it doesn't make sense to argue too vehemently as if the match of day 23 depended on the discussion.
Let's be a bit harsh with all us for once, If a real top league coach came here and read our opinions he'd say to himself "Clueless amateurs" Here we are debating people who not only know much less than the men taking decissions, but that we aren't following the daily routine of training sessions, and we don't manage the technical reports of the oppositions.
So it's nice to discuss, and in this case I agree you, but BM has a point putting our opinions into context.
Bad Bob wrote:What I expect next season, at a minimum, is:
1) a start that keeps us at, or within 3-5 points of, the top of the table for a least three months (thereby testing Mick's theory about how much more effectively we'd play against the league's lesser lights when we're still in the title hunt)
2) an unbeaten record at Anfield (preferably all wins)
3) no more than 3 losses all season
4) an unbeaten record against teams in places 7-20, with maximum points taken from teams in the bottom half of the table
5) at least 5 points earned from our visits to SB, OT and Emirates
6) Still being in the title race by the end of April
I think these are realistic targets given our current squad, spruced up with a few quality attacking players. The rest is down to luck. Oh, and--dare I say it--it might not be the worst thing ever if we find ourselves out of the Champions League at a relatively early stage next year (but I'm not holding my breath on that).
LFC #1 wrote:Bad Bob wrote:What I expect next season, at a minimum, is:
1) a start that keeps us at, or within 3-5 points of, the top of the table for a least three months (thereby testing Mick's theory about how much more effectively we'd play against the league's lesser lights when we're still in the title hunt)
2) an unbeaten record at Anfield (preferably all wins)
3) no more than 3 losses all season
4) an unbeaten record against teams in places 7-20, with maximum points taken from teams in the bottom half of the table
5) at least 5 points earned from our visits to SB, OT and Emirates
6) Still being in the title race by the end of April
I think these are realistic targets given our current squad, spruced up with a few quality attacking players. The rest is down to luck. Oh, and--dare I say it--it might not be the worst thing ever if we find ourselves out of the Champions League at a relatively early stage next year (but I'm not holding my breath on that).
Wow pretty tough. That would give us at least 85-90 points with rough calcualtion and we'd go damn close to winning the league.
The Manhattan Project wrote:That guy from RTE said he expects Liverpool to win the treble and Serie A, otherwise Rafa is a failure in his eyes and Gerrard is overrated.
Stu.Murph wrote:Emerald Red wrote:Stu.Murph wrote:Emerald Red wrote:ConnO'var wrote:peewee wrote:guys, only to win the league is good enough, thats a fact, anything else is not winning, its losing, doesnt matter how many points we have, how many signing etc, anything less than winning the league is failing in the league.
stu hits the nail on the head, no more excuses about bedding players in, the world cup, fatigue etc, only a win is good enough, anything else is a failure
Agree completely....
This is what 16 years or so does without winning the title. You settle for anything that's remotly decent or at least looks good mathematically on the league table, so at least we can say "yeah, we're close. Next year is ours!" How many of us have been saying this for years and years during the 90's? I know I have. A lot of friend and fellow supporters accept it this way. I don't. I agree: we need to win the league or at least get very close to it with at least 2 cups won, or Rafa needs to walk.
He deserves the full five years, but next season will be his fourth and we MUST improve next season considerabley. I expect at least around 85 points, give or take a couple.
Is that what I said? We MUST improve, if not next season, then when? You're after 85 points in the league? So, technically, you're asking for the league to be won, because that's usually good enough to win it.
Check your facts.
Emerald Red wrote:Stu.Murph wrote:Emerald Red wrote:Stu.Murph wrote:Emerald Red wrote:ConnO'var wrote:peewee wrote:guys, only to win the league is good enough, thats a fact, anything else is not winning, its losing, doesnt matter how many points we have, how many signing etc, anything less than winning the league is failing in the league.
stu hits the nail on the head, no more excuses about bedding players in, the world cup, fatigue etc, only a win is good enough, anything else is a failure
Agree completely....
This is what 16 years or so does without winning the title. You settle for anything that's remotly decent or at least looks good mathematically on the league table, so at least we can say "yeah, we're close. Next year is ours!" How many of us have been saying this for years and years during the 90's? I know I have. A lot of friend and fellow supporters accept it this way. I don't. I agree: we need to win the league or at least get very close to it with at least 2 cups won, or Rafa needs to walk.
He deserves the full five years, but next season will be his fourth and we MUST improve next season considerabley. I expect at least around 85 points, give or take a couple.
Is that what I said? We MUST improve, if not next season, then when? You're after 85 points in the league? So, technically, you're asking for the league to be won, because that's usually good enough to win it.
Check your facts.
85+ points is usually good enough to win the league, yes! FACT!
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