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by **Paul C** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 9:58 am

Lando_Griffin wrote:Indeed A.B.

Some of Houllier's cack is still found on the training pitch and even playing for us!!!!

Traore and Diao (Back from loan in Jan), for example.

Houllier's failed signings, and combined amount paid:

Diouf, Diao, Cheyrou, Ferri, Le Tellec, Medjani, Daniel Sjolund, Vignal, Christian Ziege, Nick Barmby, Bernard Diomede, Heskey, Meijer, Smicer, Titi Camara, Sander Westerveld, Frode Kippe and Rigobert Song, Chris Kirkland (injuries).

19 players who for one reason or another were bad signings for LFC.
Some were injured, some were over priced, some never played, some only lasted a year.

Virtually ALL of them were sh*t. Not one of the useless b*stards in the above list would get in our team now, save for Ziege in his Middlesborough/AC Milan days.

Their combined transfer total?

Are you ready?

£70,650,000.00

F*cking wasted on sh*t.

Add to these players the ones who were classed as flops under Houllier, but have sinced proved otherwise:

Kewell £5m
Biscan £5.5m
Finnan £3.5m
Baros £3.2m
Pongolle £2.5m. That's another £20.2m wasted.

£90,850,000.00

And all this is only up to the summer of 2003!!!!! Unbelievable!

His good signings (at least during his management.):

Hyypia £2.65m
Henchoz £3.5m
Hamann £8m
Gary Mac - Free
Markus Babbel - Free
Jari Litmanen - Free
John-Arne Riise - £4.6m
Dudek £4.85m
Nicolas Anelka - Loan

Total: £23,600,000.00

Shocking.

A total outlay of £114,450,000.00, not including wages, or certain other signings such as Luzi Bernardi (I cannot find how much he, or the others cost).

And some people are busy questioning Benitez's style of negotiations!!!!!

Westerveld wasn't a flop, he was sold because of 1 mistake against Bolton and also the fact that Houllier didn't like his comment on his personal website.

But all the rest of the list is spot on, it's worrying that Parry and Moores didn't step in and say "enoughs enough Gerard"

by **woof woof !** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 10:50 am

Lando_Griffin wrote:I can't f*cking believe I forgot Cisse!!!!!

That's another £14m wasted, seeing as his actual value is less than half that.

£104,850,000.00 wasted on misfits or rip-offs then.

Total Houllier outlay:

£128,450,000.00.

I'm SO glad he won the treble, otherwise I might get f*cking enraged by such gross negligence.

I'm F*CKING FURIOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have no evidence but no one will ever convince me that a certain frenchman didn't personally profit from many of those disasters . Why else would we spend millions and millions on players that were clearly defective and wildly overpriced. French football is noted for it's financial irregularities ,our silly purchases from that direction imo did nothing to dispell that perception .

:angry:

by **jonnymac1979** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 11:14 am

Any news on those investigations into French football? I'd like to study them and know the ins and outs.

by **woof woof !** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 11:24 am

Haven't seen any published findings as yet Jonny, wouldn't be surprised if they tried to bury them.

by **Ola Mr Benitez** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 12:01 pm

I understand what most people are saying about not being held to ransom and prices going up etc.. but the fact remains we desperately need a new centre back, as I don't believe we Carra and Hypia can make it through the whole season without serious burn out, (which could go and effect next years performance for them as well, which really should be the season we start challenging seriously)

People say that Agger is not worth 7 million. Why? How can you really put a value on a player?

If he improves our team and becomes a regular when Hypia retires and stays with the club for 5 -6 years, what value would you put on him???

For the sake of 1.5 million (the difference we want to pay and what they want us to pay) I say.. just pay up and get him signed. If we pay 5.5 million or 7 million and he turns out to be sh|te, would that make any difference to us lot? NO!

We need a Cb, lets get it sorted before its too late.

by **Garymac** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 12:15 pm

Like you say Mr Benitez, IF he turns out to be a good buy then great but we havent got 7 million to lose like Chelsea, if we buy someone he has to mean buisness and he has to make an impact on the 1st 11, We cant just bow down to sh!te teams like Brondby, we are Liverpool offering 5 million which as far as i know the likes of Denmark aint seen spent on a player to come from there league, especially on a center half.

If they know whats best for the player and best for them they will accept the bid.

Dont forget your saying this in exactly the same thread Houllier is getting sh!t for spenting to much money on Duds.

by **stmichael** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 1:08 pm

7_Kewell wrote:Houllier did sell quite a few players too......can't think of all exactly, but i remember him getting a hefty 13 million for Fowler.

do you realise that leeds still owe us money for that transfer?

shocking

by **Ola Mr Benitez** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 1:17 pm

yes I agree to a certain point, but if we pay 5 mill and he is cack its still a waste of money.. we need to fill this position or it could possibly see our progress shudder to a stop this season and also have consequences for next with 2 of our most importnat players being burnt out

by **Lando_Griffin** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 5:52 pm

Paul C wrote:some only lasted a year.

Westerveld wasn't a flop, he was sold because of 1 mistake against Bolton and also the fact that Houllier didn't like his comment on his personal website.

But all the rest of the list is spot on, it's worrying that Parry and Moores didn't step in and say "enoughs enough Gerard"

I meant to say that some were "flops" because of Houllier's management, rather than the player's abilities.

by **ivor_the_injun** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 7:15 pm

stmichael wrote:
7_Kewell wrote:Houllier did sell quite a few players too......can't think of all exactly, but i remember him getting a hefty 13 million for Fowler.

do you realise that leeds still owe us money for that transfer?

shocking

I was wondering about that. And here we are in 2006 with a limited amount to spend. We're still paying wages to Diao, who hasn't had a squad number for god knows how long. Obviously Rafa's cleared out a lot of junk, but with no takers for a guy like him - he couldn't even make Portsmouth's bench, FFS - we'll probably have to pay out his contract to get rid. From what I'm hearing, it's going to be a similar story with Cheyrou.

Unfortunately, the most infuriating thing about GH'S transfer dealings is that many of his best signings - Hyypia, Henchoz, Dudek and Hamann - were already at the sort of age that meant they were going to have next to no resale value. Obviously all of these had at least 4 years football with us, and with good performances over this many years they pay for themselves, but it's the flipside that REALLY hurts... young players like Biscan, Diouf and Heskey came for a combined cost of £26.5m, but even with many years football still ahead of them, the club recouped roughly £7.5m from selling them on.

In a way I really feel for Rafa, as the board should have taken GH to task over a great many of his signings. He does know his way round the transfer market though, and it's refreshing to know that a big club can still go about their business relatively quietly.

by **Lando_Griffin** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 7:21 pm

Too true, Ivor!

by **bigmick** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 9:33 pm

woof woof ! wrote:I have no evidence but no one will ever convince me that a certain frenchman didn't personally profit from many of those disasters . Why else would we spend millions and millions on players that were clearly defective and wildly overpriced. French football is noted for it's financial irregularities ,our silly purchases from that direction imo did nothing to dispell that perception .

I've had the same misgivings myself Woof for years. We all get it wrong on occasions, I stuck up for Traore earlier in the season and similarly jumped to the defence of Pelligrino. But the transfer of Diao and Cheyrou are the ones that have always made me wonder. Put into context, we paid 5 million for Diao and 4.5 million for Cheyrou at around about the same time Chelski were paying 6 million for Joe Cole.
Diouf I can just about forgive because despite being a total ersehole, the guy has a modicum of ability. But 9.5 million for Diao and Cheyrou (Chelsea shelled out 12 million for Lampard at around the same time) was a staggering piece of misjudgement. Absolutely unbelieveable. A legacy.

by **Cool Hand Luke** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 10:11 pm

Im not so sure about Cheyrou because he came with bit of a rep, he had a good season for Lille and did well in the Champions League, and forcing his way into the French squad. Diouf shone at the African nations and then the World Cup and that is what inflated his price.

The signing of Diao was a strange one, because he was a Monaco reject, had moved to Sedan(I think), and hadnt really got any rave reviews, I cant remember anyone else showing an interest. 5 MIL was an awful lot to pay considering all that.

Im not so sure that Houllier was doing dodgy business. I cant really think of any other transfers accept for the Cisse one that could be questioned, the likes of Troare and Vignal came as youngsters and on the cheap.

by **seani.g** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 11:09 pm

[quote]Diouf, Diao, Cheyrou, Ferri, Le Tellec, Medjani, Daniel Sjolund, Vignal, Christian Ziege, Nick Barmby, Bernard Diomede, Heskey, Meijer, Smicer, Titi Camara, Sander Westerveld, Frode Kippe and Rigobert Song, Chris Kirkland (injuries).

A bit harsh Lando on a couple of the guys. e.g. Kirkland good keeper unlucky with injuries. Smicer not :censored:

but should have been a lot better. I think that at least these two just didn't work out and you can't blame Houllier for that. However your right a lot of bad'uns!

by **Reinas No.1 Fan** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 11:35 pm

I agree we missed out during the summer but that was because Benfica were being greedy :censored:

and upped the price of Simao 2 or 3 times I think.

I have no reason to doubt Rafa, Im sure he will sign some quality players during this month we still have 20 days left yet.

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