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by **Santa** » Fri May 15, 2015 7:04 pm

RedAnt » Thu May 14, 2015 8:27 pm wrote:Careful Dev. You'll not get any presents this year

Ahaha...I would like BR to be Santa this year...I will personally give him "the SACK"

by **maguskwt** » Sat May 16, 2015 2:18 am

Kash_Mountain » Fri May 15, 2015 4:46 pm wrote:
RedAnt » May 15th, '15, 16:28 wrote:Dev, I don't know his job description. I'm asking. Do you know? Speculate? Who's in charge of what? How much say does he have? Do you not think he should stand up and defend himself rather than take the heat if it's not his fault? Is Brendan Rodgers really so noble to take all the pressure so the suits can do their experiments and he can lose his reputation to defend the clubs honour? But you also say he's taking the punches because he's getting paid to. I pointed out he could be paid elsewhere, more, according to some, by going to another team and also have the freedom to build his own team. If Rodgers could get anything out of our players this year then I'd be saying less, but we've been awful and crumbled time and time again under the remotest pressure. Excuses of all kinds have been made. The mans been here for three years. Personally I see no progress.

Added to that, BR has in no shape or form improved from his time at Swansea. Over there, he was getting results over and above the type/level of the players at that club. Now with LFC, the club has better player then Swansea, yet BR is achieving lesser results i.e below the type/level of the players at the club.

Yep, LFC nearly won the EPL, however, imo, this was in spite of BR - reference this season. BR / the media can spin and turn it any way they like, but at the end of the day, he still has to go. The system he employs (pass, pass pass rubbish) is his system. If he didn't attend Bielsa's conference and followed that up with a face to face, imagine where LFC would be right now. He took the advice and guidance of Bielsa and changed it to a high press game etc, thats why LFC did well last season. This season, he reverts back to his 'philosophy' style (pass, pass, pass rubbish). Well, where would LFC be last season if did not take that advice, definately nowhere near the top 4. He most probably would have had his marching orders at the end of last season. The system he employs (his favoured system of pass, pass, pass....) has failed. He doesn't have a clue.

Last season we had 2 strikers a + Coutinho and RS doing very well sitting behind the front 2, now, this season, he decides (for some unknown reason) to completely shake it up by buying to many AMs and slow strikers to play in a 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3. Therefore BR in all his wisdom has shown that his clear intention was to have the team play a different way altogether i.e. pass, pass, pass.....). LS leaving, which he knew about months in advance and chose not to replace him, was really just an excuse to go back to his favoured playing style/philophy.

The owners have given BR massive amounts of cash to spend but he's wasted it on potential when only 2 or 3 quality players were required. He brought in players the club didn't even need. Believe it, these are BR's players, his squad, yet he plays most of them out of position. Just can't fathom that.

Yes BR has final say, and he is very much part of the committee (not separate from it at all). The others in it provide him with advice and guidance when he requires it amongst other things. The committee was formed because the Owners don’t trust BR with the money, however, the committee hasn’t worked either. BR has final say on all in comings and tells the relevant people which players he wants to move on.

Btw, The thing with Bony is that BR couldn’t make his mind up (he dithered for so long) so Swansea decided they’d had enough and pulled out. A fee for Bony was already agreed, Swansea brought in Gomis as his replacement. Now with Remy, he let the medical happen, then did a complete u-turn and said no, I don’t want him, yet BR allowed the Balo deal to happen on top of players the club didn’t even need. He brought them for very inflated fees. BR has really set the club back and now it’s all a big ****hole of a mess.

How much are the owners paying you for acting as their spin doctor? :laugh:

by **devaney** » Sat May 16, 2015 8:46 am

Come on W.C your very good at picking holes and criticising BR for almost everything that is wrong at Liverpool FC so perhaps you would explain how Rogers after an admittedly awful start to the season manages to go on excellent an run. 27 points out of 33 is impressive by any standards. Were we lucky in the majority of those games? Were the other teams all woefully bad and remember we are talking about a league where any team on it's day can beat anybody? We still had no Suarez. Sturridge was injured or when he did play was not himself.This is a serious question lads because it bewilders me. One minute were doing ok and the next we are struggling. Villa in the FA Cup, Man U, Arsenal, were bad enough but one point from Hull and West Brom was woeful. So what has gone so badly wrong? Is Gerrard leaving a factor? Do the players have absolute confidence in Henderson? Has the Sterling contract issue caused disruption? Rogers I admit should not discuss contract offers to the press but lets not be naive about this. Sterling and his agent have probably said plenty and the rest of the team would have probably known what the offer was on the table. What would the teams attitude be towards a 20 year old that refuses such a lucrative deal and subsequently puts his Liverpool home on the market and starts looking for houses in the London allegedly. It is no coincidence that Sterling has had a poor season and it has got a lot worse after the contract debacle. I haven't heard Rogers say that Ibe, Skrtel and Henderson (prior to signing his contract) have all refused to sign contracts. Yes Rogers made it clear to the media that Sterling was offered a very attractive six figure sum but I believe that was only after it had been leaked to the press that he had refused to sign his contract. Lets face it he was slightly between a rock and a hard place. Dammed if you do and dammed if you don't !! Sterling not signing such a lucrative offer sends out some very worrying signals and it is the responsibility of the manager to try and rectify the situation. Maybe you are right. Maybe it is totally down to Rogers inexperience. Perhaps the players have lost confidence. One thing is for certain it is very easy to simply point the finger at Rogers and blame him for everything. Personally I do not believe that it is that simple.

by **RedAnt** » Sat May 16, 2015 9:29 am

I don't think anyone denies "we had a good run" at some point during the season, Dev. We had some pretty bad ones too, or have you forgotten that? One would hope any manager in charge of LFC would be capable of a good run. So ok, a plus in the Rodgers column. What about all the negatives you keep failing to address? Though you've mentioned several. Such as Sterling. Suarez. These are "hot properties" who don't want to work with Brendan. You think "a good run in the second half of the season, where we normally hit our stride" is enough to have the top players running to us? I doubt it! Because "good run" aside we did f*** all this season. We got beat by many lesser teams though. You can talk politics behind the scenes all you like but so far as I'm aware it's BR who picks the players, team and tactics, and it's down to him to motivate the players to beat Hull, and Aston Villa to name but two. Brendan is simply not doing the job. If he's absolved of blame for performances and signings and tactics etc then I ask again: What does Brendan do??

by **devaney** » Sat May 16, 2015 9:49 am

I asked numerous questions and you have failed to address virtually any of them. I am asking you for answers not simply regurgitated criticism of the manager. It is simple to ignore internal politics as a way to avoid answering difficult questions. PLEASE TRY HARDER

As for Suarez I have asked you before just how would you have gone about keeping a player that was determined to join the absolute elite in football? Again you have never provided an answer. You simply chose to blame Rogers.

by **RedAnt** » Sat May 16, 2015 9:57 am

devaney » Sat May 16, 2015 8:49 am wrote:I asked numerous questions and you have failed to address virtually any of them. I am asking you for answers not simply regurgitated criticism of the manager. It is simple to ignore internal politics as a way to avoid answering difficult questions. PLEASE TRY HARDER :D

As for Suarez I have asked you before just how would you have gone about keeping a player that was determined to join the absolute elite in football? Again you have never provided an answer. You simply chose to blame Rogers.

I don't think you've asked anything I've not answered in my numerous posts on the subject. What are you asking? I'm more than happy to try and answer.

I blame Rodgers for things the manager SHOULD be responsible for:

*signings
*team selection
*tactics
*training
*player motivation/morale
*youth players
*liasing with the board

Take those points if you will and analyse them without blaming the board who trusted him with substantial funding for two years and then, for some reason, decided to use a committee to spend even more substantial funds in his third year.

As for Suarez, had BR brought in better players than Joe Allen, and held a bit more weight in football, then maybe we'd be amongst the elite and Suarez would stay. Doubtful. He wanted to go to Spain and there was big fat nothing BR could do about it. Which is part of my point.

by **eds** » Sat May 16, 2015 10:20 am

leeroy74 » Fri May 15, 2015 7:43 am wrote:
Kash_Mountain » Fri May 15, 2015 5:36 am wrote:BR is on Talksport at about 7:30am (earplugs at the ready)

Good interview, answered the questions asked concisely and without confusion. He held it pretty well, didn't babble , didn't tell lies etc etc
Answered questions about Sturridge injury, Sterling contract talks, Ibe contract talk. He admitted it'd been a bit of a iffy season, he highlighted why he thought that had happened and he said we won't bring in a flood of players like last season but we will have 1 or 2 key signings. He admitted we needed to fill the 'goal drought' left by Suarez leaving and Sturridge injury.

When asked about Danny Ings he wouldn't give anything away but he actually said he wasn't telling Alan Brazil anything but he thought Danny is a good young player but he's looking at a few options for that position. Promising stuff

All in all I thought it was a good interview. No doubt the winge committee will pick faults and call him out.

Wasn't Rodgers saying the same thing, last season?

And then we ended up bringing in 6-7 average players........ :glare:

by **Dundreamin is back** » Sat May 16, 2015 10:33 am

Right he's had 3 season's now and how have we progressed? We haven't he has won sweet FA and when we get near to winning anything he bottles it. 2013-14 Premiership runners up when we should of won it by at least 3 points. 2014-15 League Cup semi-final lost because he didn't bring in a established striker, instead he bought that CLOWN Balotelli who would do better joining a circus. F.A. Cup semi-final a embarrassing defeat to a team who ended up beating us twice, that is unforgivable. Brendan get your coat. Taxi for Rodgers

by **Kash_Mountain** » Sat May 16, 2015 3:26 pm

maguskwt » May 16th, '15, 02:18 wrote:
Kash_Mountain » Fri May 15, 2015 4:46 pm wrote:
RedAnt » May 15th, '15, 16:28 wrote:Dev, I don't know his job description. I'm asking. Do you know? Speculate? Who's in charge of what? How much say does he have? Do you not think he should stand up and defend himself rather than take the heat if it's not his fault? Is Brendan Rodgers really so noble to take all the pressure so the suits can do their experiments and he can lose his reputation to defend the clubs honour? But you also say he's taking the punches because he's getting paid to. I pointed out he could be paid elsewhere, more, according to some, by going to another team and also have the freedom to build his own team. If Rodgers could get anything out of our players this year then I'd be saying less, but we've been awful and crumbled time and time again under the remotest pressure. Excuses of all kinds have been made. The mans been here for three years. Personally I see no progress.

Added to that, BR has in no shape or form improved from his time at Swansea. Over there, he was getting results over and above the type/level of the players at that club. Now with LFC, the club has better player then Swansea, yet BR is achieving lesser results i.e below the type/level of the players at the club.

Yep, LFC nearly won the EPL, however, imo, this was in spite of BR - reference this season. BR / the media can spin and turn it any way they like, but at the end of the day, he still has to go. The system he employs (pass, pass pass rubbish) is his system. If he didn't attend Bielsa's conference and followed that up with a face to face, imagine where LFC would be right now. He took the advice and guidance of Bielsa and changed it to a high press game etc, thats why LFC did well last season. This season, he reverts back to his 'philosophy' style (pass, pass, pass rubbish). Well, where would LFC be last season if did not take that advice, definately nowhere near the top 4. He most probably would have had his marching orders at the end of last season. The system he employs (his favoured system of pass, pass, pass....) has failed. He doesn't have a clue.

Last season we had 2 strikers a + Coutinho and RS doing very well sitting behind the front 2, now, this season, he decides (for some unknown reason) to completely shake it up by buying to many AMs and slow strikers to play in a 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3. Therefore BR in all his wisdom has shown that his clear intention was to have the team play a different way altogether i.e. pass, pass, pass.....). LS leaving, which he knew about months in advance and chose not to replace him, was really just an excuse to go back to his favoured playing style/philophy.

The owners have given BR massive amounts of cash to spend but he's wasted it on potential when only 2 or 3 quality players were required. He brought in players the club didn't even need. Believe it, these are BR's players, his squad, yet he plays most of them out of position. Just can't fathom that.

Yes BR has final say, and he is very much part of the committee (not separate from it at all). The others in it provide him with advice and guidance when he requires it amongst other things. The committee was formed because the Owners don’t trust BR with the money, however, the committee hasn’t worked either. BR has final say on all in comings and tells the relevant people which players he wants to move on.

Btw, The thing with Bony is that BR couldn’t make his mind up (he dithered for so long) so Swansea decided they’d had enough and pulled out. A fee for Bony was already agreed, Swansea brought in Gomis as his replacement. Now with Remy, he let the medical happen, then did a complete u-turn and said no, I don’t want him, yet BR allowed the Balo deal to happen on top of players the club didn’t even need. He brought them for very inflated fees. BR has really set the club back and now it’s all a big ****hole of a mess.

How much are the owners paying you for acting as their spin doctor?

you can take what I've said any way you want Mags, however, it is correct information.

Btw, I'd love to have the £250m+ in my pocket. Also, with regards the top down review, Michael Gordon and his team of advisors are providing advice and guidance to the Owners. With regards the Manager position, FSG have given this responsibility to MG and his team (which is part of the review). Let's see what happens at the end of the season.

by **Kash_Mountain** » Sat May 16, 2015 3:26 pm

maguskwt » May 16th, '15, 02:18 wrote:
Kash_Mountain » Fri May 15, 2015 4:46 pm wrote:
RedAnt » May 15th, '15, 16:28 wrote:Dev, I don't know his job description. I'm asking. Do you know? Speculate? Who's in charge of what? How much say does he have? Do you not think he should stand up and defend himself rather than take the heat if it's not his fault? Is Brendan Rodgers really so noble to take all the pressure so the suits can do their experiments and he can lose his reputation to defend the clubs honour? But you also say he's taking the punches because he's getting paid to. I pointed out he could be paid elsewhere, more, according to some, by going to another team and also have the freedom to build his own team. If Rodgers could get anything out of our players this year then I'd be saying less, but we've been awful and crumbled time and time again under the remotest pressure. Excuses of all kinds have been made. The mans been here for three years. Personally I see no progress.

Added to that, BR has in no shape or form improved from his time at Swansea. Over there, he was getting results over and above the type/level of the players at that club. Now with LFC, the club has better player then Swansea, yet BR is achieving lesser results i.e below the type/level of the players at the club.

Yep, LFC nearly won the EPL, however, imo, this was in spite of BR - reference this season. BR / the media can spin and turn it any way they like, but at the end of the day, he still has to go. The system he employs (pass, pass pass rubbish) is his system. If he didn't attend Bielsa's conference and followed that up with a face to face, imagine where LFC would be right now. He took the advice and guidance of Bielsa and changed it to a high press game etc, thats why LFC did well last season. This season, he reverts back to his 'philosophy' style (pass, pass, pass rubbish). Well, where would LFC be last season if did not take that advice, definately nowhere near the top 4. He most probably would have had his marching orders at the end of last season. The system he employs (his favoured system of pass, pass, pass....) has failed. He doesn't have a clue.

Last season we had 2 strikers a + Coutinho and RS doing very well sitting behind the front 2, now, this season, he decides (for some unknown reason) to completely shake it up by buying to many AMs and slow strikers to play in a 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3. Therefore BR in all his wisdom has shown that his clear intention was to have the team play a different way altogether i.e. pass, pass, pass.....). LS leaving, which he knew about months in advance and chose not to replace him, was really just an excuse to go back to his favoured playing style/philophy.

The owners have given BR massive amounts of cash to spend but he's wasted it on potential when only 2 or 3 quality players were required. He brought in players the club didn't even need. Believe it, these are BR's players, his squad, yet he plays most of them out of position. Just can't fathom that.

Yes BR has final say, and he is very much part of the committee (not separate from it at all). The others in it provide him with advice and guidance when he requires it amongst other things. The committee was formed because the Owners don’t trust BR with the money, however, the committee hasn’t worked either. BR has final say on all in comings and tells the relevant people which players he wants to move on.

Btw, The thing with Bony is that BR couldn’t make his mind up (he dithered for so long) so Swansea decided they’d had enough and pulled out. A fee for Bony was already agreed, Swansea brought in Gomis as his replacement. Now with Remy, he let the medical happen, then did a complete u-turn and said no, I don’t want him, yet BR allowed the Balo deal to happen on top of players the club didn’t even need. He brought them for very inflated fees. BR has really set the club back and now it’s all a big ****hole of a mess.

How much are the owners paying you for acting as their spin doctor?

you can take what I've said any way you want Mags, however, it is correct information.

Btw, I'd love to have the £250m+ in my pocket. Also, with regards the top down review, Michael Gordon and his team of advisors are providing advice and guidance to the Owners. With regards the Manager position, FSG have given this responsibility to MG and his team (which is part of the review). Let's see what happens at the end of the season.

by **Santa** » Sat May 16, 2015 7:13 pm

devaney » Sat May 16, 2015 7:46 am wrote:...so perhaps you would explain how Rogers after an admittedly awful start to the season manages to go on excellent an run. 27 points out of 33 is impressive by any standards.

I'm sure our trophy room will have a "brilliant mid-season run" cup added to our collection then eh? what sort of feckin' excuses are these? Yet more tell tale excuses from a bunch of losers in trying to mask the shortcoming of not producing results. Would you be so proud to claim that you ran a brilliant middle sector in a marathon race? This is a results business, results wins you trophy, results grow your players confidence and attracts better talents to join, results brings in sponsorship and prize monies, results fills the stadium and gets fans excited. It's disgusting that some are contented to being "average" and called fans who don't see or agree with your pov as plastic fans

by **Santa** » Sat May 16, 2015 7:27 pm

Another embarrassing results today of all days...so now we got bonked twice by Palace, twice by Villa to add to those losses to Hull, Newcastle, West Ham, Basel, Besiktas in one single season...all not exactly powerhouse nor operates at anywhere near our budget are they? Well let's not talk about all the losses against Arsenal, Man U, Chelsea, City and Real, let's not talk about the failure to get pass the first round of CL & Europa...how much more before those Mr. Average losers will keep making excuses and defend the undefendable (I made this word up) ? Sick straight down my gut :veryangry

by **The_Rock** » Sat May 16, 2015 7:29 pm

Hopefully Rodgers can f*ck off from anfield along with lovern, Johnson, allen and his incompetent backroom staff.

This season has been a joke......

by **glenbuck patriot** » Sat May 16, 2015 7:33 pm

After hiring his own plane to fly over the Stadium proclaiming "in me we trust" ( who else could it have been, maybe the happy clappers on this place?) & collapsing to Palace don't really care what anyone thinks this absolute clown has to go, the sooner the better!

by **RedAnt** » Sat May 16, 2015 7:54 pm

C'mon guys, give Brendan a break. The team were outstanding but the ball was awfully round, and the grass is a bit longer than it was yesterday which didn't compliment our game. Then there was the occasion. Oh the occasion! I think it got to the lads and they perhaps wanted it that wee bit too much. The board, bad vibes coming from there, dripping down into the dressing room, affecting the players etc et-fookin-c...

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