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[leeroy74]

BR is on Talksport at about 7:30am (earplugs at the ready)

Good interview, answered the questions asked concisely and without confusion. He held it pretty well, didn't babble , didn't tell lies etc etc
Answered questions about Sturridge injury, Sterling contract talks, Ibe contract talk. He admitted it'd been a bit of a iffy season, he highlighted why he thought that had happened and he said we won't bring in a flood of players like last season but we will have 1 or 2 key signings. He admitted we needed to fill the 'goal drought' left by Suarez leaving and Sturridge injury.

When asked about Danny Ings he wouldn't give anything away but he actually said he wasn't telling Alan Brazil anything but he thought Danny is a good young player but he's looking at a few options for that position. Promising stuff

All in all I thought it was a good interview. No doubt the winge committee will pick faults and call him out.

[RedAnt]

BR is on Talksport at about 7:30am (earplugs at the ready)

Good interview, answered the questions asked concisely and without confusion. He held it pretty well, didn't babble , didn't tell lies etc etc
Answered questions about Sturridge injury, Sterling contract talks, Ibe contract talk. He admitted it'd been a bit of a iffy season, he highlighted why he thought that had happened and he said we won't bring in a flood of players like last season but we will have 1 or 2 key signings. He admitted we needed to fill the 'goal drought' left by Suarez leaving and Sturridge injury.

When asked about Danny Ings he wouldn't give anything away but he actually said he wasn't telling Alan Brazil anything but he thought Danny is a good young player but he's looking at a few options for that position. Promising stuff

All in all I thought it was a good interview. No doubt the winge committee will pick faults and call him out.

So he's slowly catching on then?

[C-R]

BR is on Talksport at about 7:30am (earplugs at the ready)

Good interview, answered the questions asked concisely and without confusion. He held it pretty well, didn't babble , didn't tell lies etc etc
Answered questions about Sturridge injury, Sterling contract talks, Ibe contract talk. He admitted it'd been a bit of a iffy season, he highlighted why he thought that had happened and he said we won't bring in a flood of players like last season but we will have 1 or 2 key signings. He admitted we needed to fill the 'goal drought' left by Suarez leaving and Sturridge injury.

When asked about Danny Ings he wouldn't give anything away but he actually said he wasn't telling Alan Brazil anything but he thought Danny is a good young player but he's looking at a few options for that position. Promising stuff

All in all I thought it was a good interview. No doubt the winge committee will pick faults and call him out.

thanks for this mate 

[C-R]

BR is on Talksport at about 7:30am (earplugs at the ready)

Good interview, answered the questions asked concisely and without confusion. He held it pretty well, didn't babble , didn't tell lies etc etc
Answered questions about Sturridge injury, Sterling contract talks, Ibe contract talk. He admitted it'd been a bit of a iffy season, he highlighted why he thought that had happened and he said we won't bring in a flood of players like last season but we will have 1 or 2 key signings. He admitted we needed to fill the 'goal drought' left by Suarez leaving and Sturridge injury.

When asked about Danny Ings he wouldn't give anything away but he actually said he wasn't telling Alan Brazil anything but he thought Danny is a good young player but he's looking at a few options for that position. Promising stuff

All in all I thought it was a good interview. No doubt the winge committee will pick faults and call him out.

thanks for this mate 

[Reg]

They can't continue down the road they are going and yes they will need to eventually give us a broad explanation to what has happened at our club (in terms of player transfers), it's the very least we deserve.

The more open they are the more pressure they would take off the manager. At the moment he's taking all the flak for what could be matters out of his control.

[RedAnt]

I still don't understand this "out of his control" viewpoint. If it turns out that Brendan's hands are truly tied, he's not responsible for incoming/outgoing players, nor has a hand in contracts and the like then I would genuinely feel sorry for him and owe him a big apology.
But likewise if that's the case, then why, if he really is such a good manager, would these be the circumstances imposed on him? And if it is imposed on him, then why on earth would he stay and be this weird half-manager thing when he could easily move onto other teams (cos he's great, remember?) where he could have full control and really show his worth?
The way I read it is that FSG, the board, the committee and many posters here see something in BR, some seed planted deep that will one day flower into something beautiful. They're so confident in this that they're prepared to keep waiting, keep looking the fool, keep losing now because of all the riches he will bring. Meanwhile, other teams have already hit the same highs that our bizarre approach may one day produce.
What exactly does Brendan do?

[Reg]

He's not a young man fighting to assert himself - he insisted he wouldn't work under a DoF.

[RedAnt]

He's not a young man fighting to assert himself - he insisted he wouldn't work under a DoF.

But he's ok with a committee that brought him Balotelli? He might be wishing he'd agreed to the DoF by now. Still no answer to my question: why would he work under these conditions?
It's a watered down managers job that's apparently much more trouble than it's worth. So if all majority of blame goes above Rodgers then what is his job? If he wants to manage then why not go to a "bigger" club who will untie his hands and give him the responsibility that most other managers have? He stands to have his reputation as a young, creative manager on the up tarnished, all for standing in the line of fire between the fans and the suits above.
If I was BR working under these alleged conditions, I'd be fooking off.

[red till i die!!]

A man with brendans ego is no yes man  that shoe does not fit him.
He distanced himself from the job at the start until he knew he was the one that they wanted and when he sat down with them he gave them his dossier on how the club should proceed. They were so impressed that they altered their own plans to incorporate some of his so he has control and helped shape the path we are now on.

His philosophy was the big thing and how he was going to introduce it which was always going to be impossible to achieve if someone else was buying the players to enforce it. No way would he let that happen or put his head on the line for it. The players he brought in are players I believe he thought were good enough but when it came down to it they weren't. Not only did they fail to make the step up to a big club but also failed to grasp his philosophy which is why so many square pegs get shoved into round holes. He is the one charged with getting something from these players and that is were his biggest failure is. Rather than adapt his philosophy to suit what he has he persists in shoving them all over the place which ends up stifling the creativity in the side.

Before he got the job my concerns were as I posted back then that he wouldn't be able to attract quality players and would end up turning us into swansea. 3 years in and I'm not surprised we are were we are. Gradually as more and more of his players seep into the team the quality lowers and with the names we are being linked to this year he will have rebuilt his swansea team in red.
The easiest thing is to blame committees and policies but when you look at it there is more failure than just player recruitment which he cannot walk away from. Being honest the job was far too big for him to get so early in his career.

[RedAnt]

He's not a young man fighting to assert himself - he insisted he wouldn't work under a DoF.

Sorry Reg. I misread your post. BR does seem assertive and self secure, so I'm inclined to believe he's more responsible than some hope. And as I've said before, I'm not sure either his responsibility or lack of is a good reflection of him.

[devaney]

He's not a young man fighting to assert himself - he insisted he wouldn't work under a DoF.

But he's ok with a committee that brought him Balotelli? He might be wishing he'd agreed to the DoF by now. Still no answer to my question: why would he work under these conditions?
It's a watered down managers job that's apparently much more trouble than it's worth. So if all majority of blame goes above Rodgers then what is his job? If he wants to manage then why not go to a "bigger" club who will untie his hands and give him the responsibility that most other managers have? He stands to have his reputation as a young, creative manager on the up tarnished, all for standing in the line of fire between the fans and the suits above.
If I was BR working under these alleged conditions, I'd be fooking off.

R A - I might be wrong but I'm guessing that you have never signed a contract for a fixed period worth almost £3m a year?
Football managers get sacked for a very simple reason. Most of them would not resign under any circumstances. They want their contract paid up in full. It's not rocket science.

[RedAnt]

He's not a young man fighting to assert himself - he insisted he wouldn't work under a DoF.

But he's ok with a committee that brought him Balotelli? He might be wishing he'd agreed to the DoF by now. Still no answer to my question: why would he work under these conditions?
It's a watered down managers job that's apparently much more trouble than it's worth. So if all majority of blame goes above Rodgers then what is his job? If he wants to manage then why not go to a "bigger" club who will untie his hands and give him the responsibility that most other managers have? He stands to have his reputation as a young, creative manager on the up tarnished, all for standing in the line of fire between the fans and the suits above.
If I was BR working under these alleged conditions, I'd be fooking off.

R A - I might be wrong but I'm guessing that you have never signed a contract for a fixed period worth almost £3m a year?
Football managers get sacked for a very simple reason. Most of them would not resign under any circumstances. They want their contract paid up in full. It's not rocket science.

I've never signed such a contract, you're right. But I do know it's not as simple as you're making out. You're suggesting it's all about money. That would be ironic. What of professional integrity and things? You really think BR would be happy to be the only manager in the prem to be called a manager but not actually be trusted with any decisions on who goes and who stays, and for how long and how much? Does he do the training? Employ the coaching staff? Pick the tactics? Is he trusted to pick the captain? Because if it's Hendo then he probably shouldn't be. Again, what does Rodgers do? What is his role? Our performances on the pitch don't even warrant much hope. We've not been great and losing. We've been really poor and looked a shadow of our former selves, lacking any of the traits of any previous Liverpool team. And then we hear of Milner, and Danny Ings. You think either of those players would get in any other team with aspirations of top four? They'd see him as 'one for the future' at best. Who, currently in our team, or that we're currently linked with would actually seem an appeal to any of the types of player needed to start competing again? Some think we already have the players, that they need to mature a bit. Some think we have the players and need a new manager. I'm not sure we have either manager or many players to take us forwards. I'm honestly worried we're done for

[devaney]

R A - If it isn't that simple then list me five Premiership managers over the last 10 years that have thrown their hand in without being sacked when they have had more than twelve months left on their contract.

I don't know where this latest collection of bollux has come from about Rogers job description. Has somebody on the WHINGE COMMITTEE got a copy of his contract?  Kash seems to have inside knowledge on the transfer committee so perhaps he could enlighten us.

Santa - Don't worry you don't intimidate me mate. How could a load of old recycled derogatory shight intimidate anybody? You used to talk some sense but that ship seems to have left our shores. In fact I think the poor thing has sunk without trace.

[RedAnt]

Dev, I don't know his job description. I'm asking. Do you know? Speculate? Who's in charge of what? How much say does he have? Do you not think he should stand up and defend himself rather than take the heat if it's not his fault? Is Brendan Rodgers really so noble to take all the pressure so the suits can do their experiments and he can lose his reputation to defend the clubs honour? But you also say he's taking the punches because he's getting paid to. I pointed out he could be paid elsewhere, more, according to some, by going to another team and also have the freedom to build his own team. If Rodgers could get anything out of our players this year then I'd be saying less, but we've been awful and crumbled time and time again under the remotest pressure. Excuses of all kinds have been made. The mans been here for three years. Personally I see no progress.

[Kash_Mountain]

Dev, I don't know his job description. I'm asking. Do you know? Speculate? Who's in charge of what? How much say does he have? Do you not think he should stand up and defend himself rather than take the heat if it's not his fault? Is Brendan Rodgers really so noble to take all the pressure so the suits can do their experiments and he can lose his reputation to defend the clubs honour? But you also say he's taking the punches because he's getting paid to. I pointed out he could be paid elsewhere, more, according to some, by going to another team and also have the freedom to build his own team. If Rodgers could get anything out of our players this year then I'd be saying less, but we've been awful and crumbled time and time again under the remotest pressure. Excuses of all kinds have been made. The mans been here for three years. Personally I see no progress.

Added to that, BR has in no shape or form improved from his time at Swansea. Over there, he was getting results over and above the type/level of the players at that club. Now with LFC, the club has better player then Swansea, yet BR is achieving lesser results i.e below the type/level of the players at the club.

Yep, LFC nearly won the EPL, however, imo, this was in spite of BR - reference this season. BR / the media can spin and turn it any way they like, but at the end of the day, he still has to go. The system he employs (pass, pass pass rubbish) is his system. If he didn't attend Bielsa's conference and followed that up with a face to face, imagine where LFC would be right now. He took the advice and guidance of Bielsa and changed it to a high press game etc, thats why LFC did well last season. This season, he reverts back to his 'philosophy' style (pass, pass, pass rubbish).  Well, where would LFC be last season if did not take that advice, definately nowhere near the top 4. He most probably would have had his marching orders at the end of last season.  The system he employs (his favoured system of pass, pass, pass....) has failed. He doesn't have a clue.

Last season we had 2 strikers a + Coutinho and RS doing very well sitting behind the front 2, now, this season, he decides (for some unknown reason) to completely shake it up by buying to many AMs and slow strikers to play in a 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3.  Therefore BR in all his wisdom has shown that his clear intention was to have the team play a different way altogether i.e. pass, pass, pass.....). LS leaving, which he knew about months in advance and chose not to replace him, was really just an excuse to go back to his favoured playing style/philophy.

The owners have given BR massive amounts of cash to spend but he's wasted it on potential when only 2 or 3 quality players were required. He brought in players the club didn't even need. Believe it, these are BR's players, his squad, yet he plays most of them out of position. Just can't fathom that.

Yes BR has final say, and he is very much part of the committee (not separate from it at all). The others in it provide him with advice and guidance when he requires it amongst other things. The committee was formed because the Owners don’t trust BR with the money, however, the committee hasn’t worked either. BR has final say on all in comings and tells the relevant people which players he wants to move on.

Btw, The thing with Bony is that BR couldn’t make his mind up (he dithered for so long) so Swansea decided they’d had enough and pulled out. A fee for Bony was already agreed, Swansea brought in Gomis as his replacement. Now with Remy, he let the medical happen, then did a complete u-turn and said no, I don’t want him, yet BR allowed the Balo deal to happen on top of players the club didn’t even need. He brought them for very inflated fees. BR has really set the club back and now it’s all a big ****hole of a mess.