ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Sun Apr 19, 2015 5:56 pm wrote:The_Rock » Sun Apr 19, 2015 5:24 pm wrote:Surely.....its time now. Rodgers is not the manager to bring us back to the top of the football world. I hope the owners do the right thing come end of season. Bring in experienced managers who know how to win trophies (not a coach who can only coach a bunch of youngsters).
Its Rafa or Klopp.
Sack Rodgers? For what?
Let's have a look at his record here
Season 1 - takes over a club that has finished between 6th-8th the previous five years, starts very poorly but brings in Sturridge and Coutinho in the January and we go on a great run, at the same time playing some of the best football seen at the club in 20 years (6-0 away at Newcastle, 3-1 away at Fulham etc).
Season 2 - goes closer to the title than any LIverpool manager in the last quarter of a century, recieve plaudits from across the footballing world for our style of play, we do some absolute demolition jobs on our rivals (Arsenal (h), Spurs (a), Everton (h), United (a) etc) qualify for the CL.
Season 3 - lose our strike force from last year to Barcelona and injury, terrible start in the league and go out of the CL. Rally halfway through the season and go on a great run but falls apart at the end. Reach the semi's in both the domestic cup competitions.
If you sack managers for that you'll be sacking them every five minutes.
supersub » Mon Apr 20, 2015 12:36 pm wrote:heads in sand......
Penguins » Mon Apr 20, 2015 3:50 pm wrote:supersub » Mon Apr 20, 2015 12:36 pm wrote:heads in sand......
Ok, so here are the world class players getting us into the top 4??
GK Mignolet, Jones: not really over a full season
Johnson, Manquillo, Flanagan :Are you kidding me?
Skrtel, Sakho, Toure, Lovren: Nah, not getting there
Moreno, Enrique: Eh, a big fat no
Allen, Markovic, Lallana: hahaha
Lucas, Henderson: Extremly doubtful
Sterling, Coutinho: Sure, why not
Balotelli, Sturridge, Lambert, Borino: Maybe top 10...
So, were is that quality that is going to compete with Manure, Chelski, ***** and City?
Cause I don't see any.
And there is no chance the current owners will finance any deal for players demanding 100000+ wages.
So as usual expensive youth with cheap wages that might flop...
devaney » Mon Apr 20, 2015 4:59 pm wrote:Yakka I have defended BR and supported him more than most but after yesterday's pitiful performance I begin to question my own sanity. Our performance yesterday was one of the worst and badly managed I have witnessed in a very long time and Roger's need to ask himself some very serious questions. Fans spent a disproportionate amount of their hard earned income to support a team that didn't even look interested?
As for item 2 in your list of BR achievements I agree that he should be given credit for our runners up position in the league. But it shouldn't be ignored that he fkd up against Chelsea and the mighty Crystal Palace when it really mattered. Would it therefore be unkind to say that he eventually lost us the league?
And as for item 3 you rightly point out that he got us to two semi finals but given our performances in both of them I really wouldn't I really don't regard that as a major success. Lets face it we struggled to get past Blackburn in the quarters of the league cup.
Penguins and I don't always agree with what he says listed the players and asked the question which of them could get us into the top four. I hate to admit it but I don't altogether disagree with his ratings.
THERE IS A MASSIVE AMOUNT OF WORK TO BE DONE. That became very obvious recently when we played United and Arsenal. We also looked poor against Blackburn especially in the first half and the less said about yesterday the better.
ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Mon Apr 20, 2015 11:10 pm wrote:devaney » Mon Apr 20, 2015 4:59 pm wrote:Yakka I have defended BR and supported him more than most but after yesterday's pitiful performance I begin to question my own sanity. Our performance yesterday was one of the worst and badly managed I have witnessed in a very long time and Roger's need to ask himself some very serious questions. Fans spent a disproportionate amount of their hard earned income to support a team that didn't even look interested?
As for item 2 in your list of BR achievements I agree that he should be given credit for our runners up position in the league. But it shouldn't be ignored that he fkd up against Chelsea and the mighty Crystal Palace when it really mattered. Would it therefore be unkind to say that he eventually lost us the league?
And as for item 3 you rightly point out that he got us to two semi finals but given our performances in both of them I really wouldn't I really don't regard that as a major success. Lets face it we struggled to get past Blackburn in the quarters of the league cup.
Penguins and I don't always agree with what he says listed the players and asked the question which of them could get us into the top four. I hate to admit it but I don't altogether disagree with his ratings.
THERE IS A MASSIVE AMOUNT OF WORK TO BE DONE. That became very obvious recently when we played United and Arsenal. We also looked poor against Blackburn especially in the first half and the less said about yesterday the better.
No one is saying yesterday's performance was acceptable mate, all I am saying is that changing our manager every 5 minutes won't achieve much, if we do bring someone new in I can pretty much guarantee that in 2 or 3 seasons we'll be back at square one again with everyone screaming for the new man's head.
Like it or not the plain facts are that there are 4 clubs in this division with more resources and bigger wage bills than us. It's unrealistic to expect Brendan or any other manager for that matter to finish above one or all of those clubs every season. That is just not going to happen when they are shopping at Harrods and we are shopping down Breck Road.
He did it last year when he was given the tools to do the job (i.e a class player in his prime) but this year he didn't. That's life when your not one of the big spenders I'm afraid.
Brendan like all managers will have good seasons and poor seasons, this isn't a video game like FIFA, success doesn't come in a smooth upward curve.
I think Brendan given the right tools has the ability to win the league, I think that is in his skill set, I am not saying it is going to happen next season or anytime soon but I think if this club gets itself sorted off the field and gives our manager something resembling a level playing field I think he can hold his own against the likes of Mourinho, LVG and Wenger, which is something I couldn't say about Hodgson or even this version of Kenny.
No one is saying yesterday's performance was acceptable mate, all I am saying is that changing our manager every 5 minutes won't achieve much, if we do bring someone new in I can pretty much guarantee that in 2 or 3 seasons we'll be back at square one again with everyone screaming for the new man's head.
Like it or not the plain facts are that there are 4 clubs in this division with more resources and bigger wage bills than us. It's unrealistic to expect Brendan or any other manager for that matter to finish above one or all of those clubs every season. That is just not going to happen when they are shopping at Harrods and we are shopping down Breck Road.
He did it last year when he was given the tools to do the job (i.e a class player in his prime) but this year he didn't. That's life when your not one of the big spenders I'm afraid.
Brendan like all managers will have good seasons and poor seasons, this isn't a video game like FIFA, success doesn't come in a smooth upward curve.
I think Brendan given the right tools has the ability to win the league, I think that is in his skill set, I am not saying it is going to happen next season or anytime soon but I think if this club gets itself sorted off the field and gives our manager something resembling a level playing field I think he can hold his own against the likes of Mourinho, LVG and Wenger, which is something I couldn't say about Hodgson or even this version of Kenny.
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