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He has played deeper since the injury to Lucas but it is blatantly obvious the boy is a huge talent even at his young age.

"It's still very early on. We hope as time goes on we progress and can improve.

"I never get too disappointed when we lose or too carried away when we win." - Brendan Rodgers

This didn't make for comfortable reading.

Boxscarf » Tue Sep 04, 2012 9:00 pm wrote:

"It's still very early on. We hope as time goes on we progress and can improve.

"I never get too disappointed when we lose or too carried away when we win." - Brendan Rodgers

This didn't make for comfortable reading.

nah, i think thats fair enough, he`s just saying if we have a good game (like against city) he wont assume we are the best side in the world or conversely if we have a bad game (like against arsenal) he wont think we are the worst side on the planet either.

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Tue Sep 04, 2012 9:19 pm wrote:
nah, i think thats fair enough, he`s just saying if we have a good game (like against city) he wont assume we are the best side in the world or conversely if we have a bad game (like against arsenal) he wont think we are the worst side on the planet either.

Well I was really upset on Sunday, I was close to tears as I watched Cazorla score the second goal. Call me over emotional, but that hurt a lot.

Boxscarf » Tue Sep 04, 2012 9:21 pm wrote:

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Tue Sep 04, 2012 9:19 pm wrote:
nah, i think thats fair enough, he`s just saying if we have a good game (like against city) he wont assume we are the best side in the world or conversely if we have a bad game (like against arsenal) he wont think we are the worst side on the planet either.

Well I was really upset on Sunday, I was close to tears as I watched Cazorla score the second goal. Call me over emotional, but that hurt a lot.

f**king hell i wouldnt say i was that upset.
i wasnt even that @rsed when the second went in, when they scored the first i knew it was game over, it was one of those afternoons. everything about the game was flat

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Tue Sep 04, 2012 9:28 pm wrote:
f**king hell i wouldnt say i was that upset.
i wasnt even that @rsed when the second went in, when they scored the first i knew it was game over, it was one of those afternoons. everything about the game was flat

I'm still upset about Rafa leaving, I'll never get over that.

Boxscarf » Tue Sep 04, 2012 9:37 pm wrote:

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Tue Sep 04, 2012 9:28 pm wrote:
f**king hell i wouldnt say i was that upset.
i wasnt even that @rsed when the second went in, when they scored the first i knew it was game over, it was one of those afternoons. everything about the game was flat

I'm still upset about Rafa leaving, I'll never get over that.

the way things are going he might be back soon 

This club has a very inteligent, young manager but one that has built up a lot of experience. Why are we scrutinising everything that he says and acting as if the season is all over after 3 games. I go to every game that i can, and i am entitled to my view cos i will pay a heck of a wedge over this season but i knew before i bought my season ticket that it wasnt going to be all that straight forward.  I just love a match day and when u are there it is better than watching it on a tv. I can see what BR is trying to achieve and if it wasnt for silly mistakes we would have a few more points. BR aint to blame for pepes mistakes, aggers sending off and some dreadful finishing. We have a small squad but we know BR is still setting his stall out so perhaps giving youth and the likes of henders, cole, assi whats his name and co game time then 1 or 2 new faces in jan will see us have a decent 2nd half of the season. We cant turn back the clock, the owners have admitted their mistakes and i am sure will react to their letter, BR needs time and we should allow him the cos there aint many other managers out there that fill me with enthusiasm as BR does. If he is given time and all being well further funds, he will get it right. Lets calm down, support BR and put your hankies away.

South East Kop » Tue Sep 04, 2012 9:57 pm wrote:This club has a very inteligent, young manager but one that has built up a lot of experience. Why are we scrutinising everything that he says and acting as if the season is all over after 3 games. I go to every game that i can, and i am entitled to my view cos i will pay a heck of a wedge over this season but i knew before i bought my season ticket that it wasnt going to be all that straight forward.  I just love a match day and when u are there it is better than watching it on a tv. I can see what BR is trying to achieve and if it wasnt for silly mistakes we would have a few more points. BR aint to blame for pepes mistakes, aggers sending off and some dreadful finishing. We have a small squad but we know BR is still setting his stall out so perhaps giving youth and the likes of henders, cole, assi whats his name and co game time then 1 or 2 new faces in jan will see us have a decent 2nd half of the season. We cant turn back the clock, the owners have admitted their mistakes and i am sure will react to their letter, BR needs time and we should allow him the cos there aint many other managers out there that fill me with enthusiasm as BR does. If he is given time and all being well further funds, he will get it right. Lets calm down, support BR and put your hankies away.

rodgers is very inexperienced (there`s a world of difference between coaching the reading and chelsea youth teams and managing a club the size of liverpool) and when you manage a big club everything you say and do gets disected and scrutinised, in spain it`s even worse, they have best selling newspapers based around the day to day happenings at real madrid and barcelona.
what happens at big clubs interests people, it gets airtime and fills column inches. radio 5 live and talksport are made up, the goings on at anfield is all they have talked about for the past 3 days.
when the likes of martinez, lambert and rodgers were being linked with the job it was that aspect of management that a lot of fans had concerns about, they are all good coaches but were they experienced enough to handle the pressure and the circus that surrounds a big club, especially a big club that is struggling.
at the top it`s a results based industry, kenny dalglish has done more for this club than anyone else but he was shown the door because results werent good enough.
i think rodgers has got to start becoming a realist, he aint going to get 4 years to put his plan into place, infact at this rate (1 point from 9) he`ll be lucky to last 4 months, he`s got to stop trying to build rome in a day and he`s got to be more flexible and start playing to players strengths.
last thursday we scraped a 1-1 draw at anfield with a late equiliser against a hearts side that was beaten at home by the bottom club in the SPL last saturday, we played them home and away and over the 2 legs there was hardly anything between the 2 sides. thats concerning.
as rafa, roy and kenny found out once this group of players allow their heads to drop it`s very hard to get them out of the rut.

Boxscarf » Tue Sep 04, 2012 9:21 pm wrote:

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Tue Sep 04, 2012 9:19 pm wrote:
nah, i think thats fair enough, he`s just saying if we have a good game (like against city) he wont assume we are the best side in the world or conversely if we have a bad game (like against arsenal) he wont think we are the worst side on the planet either.

Well I was really upset on Sunday, I was close to tears as I watched Cazorla score the second goal. Call me over emotional, but that hurt a lot.

Same here with me mate. Over here in Asia, it was our Sunday evening night time and I didn't sleep well and was tired the next day.

Now, why did BR chose to come to Liverpool when his job at Swansea was safe and sound? He wanted to manage a big club with lofty ambitions and wanting to win or at least be contenders for the PL title every season. After 3 months, the reality is, the owners are either stingy or have no money but instead harp on developing the youth, strong support for FIFA Financial Fair Play and long term plan that could extend to 16 years (Mr.Henry, this is a cruel joke and it's not funny) . That means, be prepared to be a mid table or another Wigan for the next 5 years at least which is totally against the mission of a club like Liverpool.

If I were BR, I would be ***** off with the stupid owners because if the owners are not going to financially support me to buy the players I want and most likely end up somewhere from bottom half to mid table for a few seasons while we're waiting for the youngsters to come out good ( a big risk indeed) with not much chance of seeing the light at the end of the tunnel, then why took the job in the first place? I might as well stay at Swansea without the extra risks and tremendous pressure of managing Liverpool where you're expected to win majority of your games. Thus to conclude, I would tell the owners bluntly with a serious demeanour when the Jan. window opens "MR.Henry and Mr.Werner, Back me with the funds to buy who I want or Sack me, I am not going to tolerate any of your public B.S. rhetoric".

What has BR got to lose even if they sack him? I am sure he won't stay unemployed for long.

Lose Rodgers and we have a big problem. no high profile manager will touch this club.

In the first year of Rafa's reign, we lost 14 games and drew 7.

In the same season we went to win the CL for the fu*ckin 5th time, although we tanked the premiership  (5th spot).

Now, with only 3 games played (D1 L2) suddenly everyone in the planet is crying uncle.

Have some faith lads.

alwayslfc » Wed Sep 05, 2012 12:37 am wrote:

Boxscarf » Tue Sep 04, 2012 9:21 pm wrote:

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Tue Sep 04, 2012 9:19 pm wrote:
nah, i think thats fair enough, he`s just saying if we have a good game (like against city) he wont assume we are the best side in the world or conversely if we have a bad game (like against arsenal) he wont think we are the worst side on the planet either.

Well I was really upset on Sunday, I was close to tears as I watched Cazorla score the second goal. Call me over emotional, but that hurt a lot.

Same here with me mate. Over here in Asia, it was our Sunday evening night time and I didn't sleep well and was tired the next day.

Now, why did BR chose to come to Liverpool when his job at Swansea was safe and sound? He wanted to manage a big club with lofty ambitions and wanting to win or at least be contenders for the PL title every season. After 3 months, the reality is, the owners are either stingy or have no money but instead harp on developing the youth, strong support for FIFA Financial Fair Play and long term plan that could extend to 16 years (Mr.Henry, this is a cruel joke and it's not funny) . That means, be prepared to be a mid table or another Wigan for the next 5 years at least which is totally against the mission of a club like Liverpool.

If I were BR, I would be ***** off with the stupid owners because if the owners are not going to financially support me to buy the players I want and most likely end up somewhere from bottom half to mid table for a few seasons while we're waiting for the youngsters to come out good ( a big risk indeed) with not much chance of seeing the light at the end of the tunnel, then why took the job in the first place? I might as well stay at Swansea without the extra risks and tremendous pressure of managing Liverpool where you're expected to win majority of your games. Thus to conclude, I would tell the owners bluntly with a serious demeanour when the Jan. window opens "MR.Henry and Mr.Werner, Back me with the funds to buy who I want or Sack me, I am not going to tolerate any of your public B.S. rhetoric".

What has BR got to lose even if they sack him? I am sure he won't stay unemployed for long.

What a ridiculous post.

He wanted to manage a big club with lofty ambitions and wanting to win or at least be contenders for the PL title every season

Rodgers will be a success here i'm sure and it will be because he is a great manager backed by a financially sound organisation. But don't be so naive to think he came here with any ambitions of winning the title in his first two years. He publicly distanced himself from CL qualification as soon as he was interviewed. The "reality" is, it will probably 2 seasons before we are finishing in CL qualification spots. Another 2 years before we could realistically even start thinking of a title challenge.

After 3 months, the reality is...

You speak of the "reality" preceeded by "after three months". Are you actually mental?

There is no reality after three months you fool. This is the type of knee-jerk cancerous bullish!t this club is riddled with at the moment.

According to some, we were days away from Administration under H&G. Clearly as soon as FSG acquired the club, based on your comments now, you expected a full recovery to CL status?

Whilst we languished under H&G and lost all the momentum built up by Benitez, Tottenham invested and grew. Now we are in a 3 way race with Tottenham and Arsenal for 4th. The game has changed, CL qualification will be a bloody big battle in the coming seasons.

I suggest you lower your expectations and stop pretending you know the "mission" of the club.

Lower my expectations eh? Have you lowered yours? Where do you expect us to finish this season? If we finish mid table or lower, all the star names will want to leave. No high profile managers or players will want to come next season. Lowering expectation would be fine a generation ago, but to progress today you need CL football and super mega rich owners. If we continue to lower expectations for a few more seasons, even Everton will be above us permanently if they are bought by a super rich owner.

I don't expect Lpool to finish in top 4, that's for sure, but with the owners not investing heavily in the club and with only 2 strikers, we're heading for deep waters here and could drown and never recover.

alwayslfc » Wed Sep 05, 2012 9:17 am wrote:Lower my expectations eh? Have you lowered yours? Where do you expect us to finish this season? If we finish mid table or lower, all the star names will want to leave. No high profile managers or players will want to come next season. Lowering expectation would be fine a generation ago, but to progress today you need CL football and super mega rich owners. If we continue to lower expectations for a few more seasons, even Everton will be above us permanently if they are bought by a super rich owner.

I don't expect Lpool to finish in top 4, that's for sure, but with the owners not investing heavily in the club and with only 2 strikers, we're heading for deep waters here and could drown and never recover.

I'm afraid you're a lost cause then. 

I expect we will finish 5th, I hope we overachieve and do better. We haven't got owners who will heavily invest and there will be very few new clubs owners willing to do so. The age of heavy investment is over, analysts are already seeing the financial fair play rules taking effect. The age of benevolent owners like City's owners is gone. The fair play rules are designed to stop such heavy spending. I'll take any bet that Everton won't overtake us in the next 20 years, let alone 5 or 10 years.

I agree to be a big club we need CL but your are only fooling yourself if you expect it to come back to Anfield quickly. The league is too competitive nowadays, like I said before you can blame H&G for that. We had the squad and position and it was removed from us by cowboys.

There is nothing wrong with lowering expectations, the reality is we are the club of 2005-07. We are worse. The regain that we need to improve. I think Rodgers can get us there but it won't be in one season.