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tubby » Sun Sep 02, 2012 4:30 pm wrote:Steven Gerrard Fans ‏@SG8Official

Brendan Rodgers says he'll focus on the available players at Liverpool but will do a massive business in January

by january i think that particular horse will have already bolted

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Sun Sep 02, 2012 5:01 pm wrote:
by january i think that particular horse will have already bolted

I think it's a small case of the horse was never there in the first place and won't be there in January either. Spending big/big transfers doesn't seem to be the order of the day for the penny pinching American owners we have. They are far more interested in pulling the wool over the eyes of Liverpool supporters as they continue to fumble around like the blithering idiots that they are.

its been a disaster alright but for those who believe rodgers is utterly blameless in any of this is just stupid.
was he not the one who insisted on no dof? he was the one who insisted in being in control of the full affairs of the 1st team and he's banged on enough about getting the players he wants in.he let enough go and replaced them with another mid and a lightweight young striker and then had a clear out of 3 players in the last 24 hrs of the window without first having secured replacements.for a man that insisted on having so much his way i refuse to believe that he had no idea that he had only 4mil to replace carroll with.if its a trust issue with the owners then they shafted him but again i couldnt see them risking falling out with rodgers so soon.
what happened on friday was that rodgers is inexperienced along with ayre and the owners and we got burnt.no one's fault but our own and the way we do business.you can change managers all you want but as long as that business model is in place then we can expect similar in future.
rodgers is the manager and i hope we keep him but he had a part in this and as long as he is the manager he is open to criticism.that comes with the job.
this is a game about results not excuses.

Boxscarf » Sun Sep 02, 2012 6:04 pm wrote:

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Sun Sep 02, 2012 5:01 pm wrote:
by january i think that particular horse will have already bolted

I think it's a small case of the horse was never there in the first place and won't be there in January either. Spending big/big transfers doesn't seem to be the order of the day for the penny pinching American owners we have. They are far more interested in pulling the wool over the eyes of Liverpool supporters as they continue to fumble around like the blithering idiots that they are.

januarys transfer window is overpriced and already clubs will know we are desperate so the price will be higher again.fsg dont like doing business in january because of those reasons.
one thing they will do in january is continue to lower the outgoings and i reckon rodgers will try to revive the sturridge loan deal to get us through till the end of the season.

We just need to have faith that the players can wake up and start creating more. I think once we have a good win the floodgates will open. We need to stand by the manager and the youngsters he has brought in, even if the owners won't.

not a huge fan of this system either, to me this `fluid` 4-3-3 is just a fancy way of saying one up front, borini and sterling were supposed to be our other `forwards` but what sort of system requires forwards to continually track back 70 yards or more to the edge of our area into the fullback positions?
it`s no wonder our attack looks disjointed when 2 of our `forwards` spend half the game tracking back into our half.
no matter what the system looks like on paper to my mind borini and sterling are doing the job of wide midfielders not forwards, we are not playing 4-3-3 we are playing 4-5-1.
and to exacerbate the problem luis isnt a natural leader of the line in a 4-5-1 system.
i think expecting our passing game to be on the money for 38 games is pie in the sky stuff as well, we`ll have weeks when every pass comes off and we`ll look like world beaters but we`ll have plenty of weeks were passes dont quite go to feet as well, with the style of footy we are playing at the moment there`s very little margin of error. we are trying to thread a needle.
had to laugh today though seeing us reduced to throwing crosses into their box in the last 10 minutes with a 5 foot 7 centre forward in the middle, a 180 page dossier and we end up throwing percentage balls into the box.

Rodgers is alright and we would have a decent side if he didnt have to rely
on Laurel and Hardy in Boston and Charlie Cairoli heading up recruitment on
deadline day.

They did a good job appointing him but behind the scenes the club is still
tinpot and until they put that right we will continue to struggle on the field.

There needs to be good communication but it looks like we fell way short
of that last week and Rodgers must still be seething on the quiet.

We are Sh*t and need to accept that in order to lower expectations. Brendan is a man with a plan, and we are on but a mere first step towards glory. It's a bit like childbirth...at first the woman is in agony, and she shits herself rather embarrasingly, but later on she is presented with a beautiful child, the result of painful labour, and possibly the result of a painful f*ck. Our future glory will not come about without a struggle

Thats another point someone made. Rodgers wanted full control of 1st team affairs when he took the post, so he has to take responsibility.

I dont blame fully the yanks. We must of got over 8m for kuyt,bellamy+ maxi. + 5m for adam. So theres some cash to spend.

Well mentioned.

The Hustler » Sun Sep 02, 2012 7:20 pm wrote:Thats another point someone made. Rodgers wanted full control of 1st team affairs when he took the post, so he has to take responsibility.

I dont blame fully the yanks. We must of got over 8m for kuyt,bellamy+ maxi. + 5m for adam. So theres some cash to spend.

Well mentioned.

Just cause he wanted full control - doesnt mean he was the one saying "no fulham, we'll give you £4m for dempsey and no more" . No - he would have said I want dempsey - and Ayre negotiated and the owners capped the spending.  - I'm not blaming the owners fully, and probably rodgers needs to share some of the blame, but imo less of it (hence his answer in todays presser - no he wouldnt have let andy go on loan if there wasnt anyone coming in)

Completey wrong about the income though. We got £1m total  for kuyt, bellamy + maxi and £4m for Adam.

Franky000 » Sun Sep 02, 2012 6:01 pm wrote:We are Sh*t and need to accept that in order to lower expectations. Brendan is a man with a plan, and we are on but a mere first step towards glory. It's a bit like childbirth...at first the woman is in agony, and she shits herself rather embarrasingly, but later on she is presented with a beautiful child, the result of painful labour, and possibly the result of a painful f*ck. Our future glory will not come about without a struggle

Or she could end up with piles and an ugly little brat?

Bellamy and Maxi left on free transfers, Kuyt went for £1m and Adam for £4m, that's £5m, that's still £1m less than what Spurs paid for Clint Dempsey. Rodgers has to operate on a shoe-string budget and has effectively been told he has to sell his key players i.e. Agger to raise funds for other players. FSG's short-sightedness is more of a hindrance to us than Rodgers's naivity in the transfer market i.e. loaning out a striker before bringing one in.

celtic-red! » Sun Sep 02, 2012 3:31 pm wrote:I am saying Kenny still should have had his own value on these players.  Unless he honestly felt Henderson was worth £20m why didn't he identity other players once they rejected £13m.  Which other manager would have paid £20m for Downing?

No other manager in the EPL would have paid what we did for Henderson, Downing and Carroll.  Other managers would have told the club look elsewhere!  We overspent massively last season and Kenny has to take his fair share of the blame for this!

Once again, I have to say I don't think Kenny participated in the valuation of the players. It was Comilli's job to put bids in with authorisation from the owners, and then negotiate the contracts. You can only blame Kenny for his choice of some of the players. Not all players transferred in during Kenny's reign were a disaster.

Going to be funny next summer if Agger doesn't sign a new contract pronto...
1 years left and we'll get peanuts for him

Rodgers regrets Andy Carroll loan exit from Liverpool

Liverpool manager Brendan Rodgers admits he would not have allowed Andy Carroll to join West Ham if he had known he would not be able to strengthen his squad - but insists he was not misled by the club's American owners.

Rodgers, who has the option of recalling Carroll from his season long-loan in January, let the England striker leave for Upton Park as he was convinced he would bring in either Clint Dempsey or Chelsea's Daniel Sturridge on loan.

But neither deal materialised, with Liverpool's owners FSG understood to be reluctant to meet Fulham's £6m asking price for 29-year-old Dempsey.

He moved to Tottenham, leaving Rodgers short of resources and denying there were already boardroom tensions with the Americans after the 2-0 home defeat by Arsenal left them without a Premier League win.

Rodgers revealed he had been "very confident" of signing a replacement for Carroll and when asked if he would have sanctioned the move otherwise he said: "No."

Liverpool's manager confirmed he has spoken to the club's owners after the transfer window closed and will hold further talks this week, saying: "There are just one or two operational things we need to iron out."

But Rodgers - who has refused to completely dismiss the prospect of a move for former Liverpool striker Michael Owen - is conscious of the need to bolster his attacking options.

"Any player that I believe can improve the squad I will look at," Rodgers said. "We have got a very, very small squad with some very young players in it. So I can't say no."

Rodgers added: "We all know we needed reinforcements and the players needed help but it's gone now and I can't do anything about it.

"There is no point in me sitting here crying about it wishing we had or we hadn't. There is no doubt the finances here had to be changed. That is the reality. We have lost nine players and brought in three so from a business side the club has done well. What we need to do well for the future now is look after the football business and help the players here."

Asked whether the reality was different from what he was told when he was appointed, he said: "I have to be honest. I wouldn't change it for the world.

"I'm very proud and privileged to lead this club. I always knew it was going to be difficult.

"My fight is to keep the supporters proud and keep the great name of Liverpool going forward. I have made it my life to do that."

Rodgers said: "The owners have been very up front, honest and open with me. There are one or two things to iron out but they haven't misled me.

"I have spoken to the people back in America and had a couple of brief conversations. We will reflect on it again next week on the way forward and hopefully go forward in the January window."


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i do like the way he speaks.