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[Thommo's perm]

He has just taken over and he HAS to be given time. Even if we lose the next five games he MUST be supported
We have no choice but to back him. No choice whatsoever.

[mart]

you dont know for a fact whether he has been backed or not. I believe Brendan had the cash to buy Dempsey or would he have let carroll go?? MAybe he was just too slow. (or Ian Ayre- whoever does the deals)

We were arguing over pennies for Dempsey all summer. We should have sorted it out long before Tottenham came along if we really wanted him.

[The Hustler]

pressure will mount, the longer we go with no win.

That is inevitable

[lakes10]

He has just taken over and he HAS to be given time. Even if we lose the next five games he MUST be supported
We have no choice but to back him. No choice whatsoever.

i agree mate....but just think the owners will give him the time.

[banana(real one)]

Rodgers has done well, he is only suffering from Kennys overspending. First Rodgers need to clean up. Then he may concentrate on building his own team. Benitez did something to this club that was special. There is no guarantee that this club will ever get back to the Benitez level. Even Benitez might fail if he was given a second try.

Brendan is the right man. Let him clean u Kennys mess. Give him time and see what happens.

[Calum]

FSG supported Kenny last year and they lost a fortune. Kenny did this to the club. Brendan and FSG need to clean up after Kenny and that is not going to be easy and I don`t blame Rogers if he needs 3 years to steady the ship.

If he can do that then maybe in 2015 Liverpool will be able to play at the same level as Benitez Liverpool team. The wrong signings and the 1980s football players Kenny signed will have a significant long term negative effect on the club.

It's all very easy to blame Kenny, isn't it? It wasn't him who put a value on the players the club bought. I assume he identified those players and Comolli & the board did the financial side. Kenny didn't lose them a fortune. Those dealing with the bidding of the players lost the club a fortune. I don't understand the "1980s players" theory. And the players Kenny signed will not have a long term negative effect on the club. Saurez and Enrique have been good signings, Bellamy was a good signing, and Carroll was coming good and should have been kept. Yes, there were/are question marks over Adam, Downing and Henderson, but no long term negative effect. That's an over reaction.

As for playing on the same level as the Benitez Liverpool team, have you forgotten how poor they were in his last season? Benitez was getting criticism for poor signings as well. I think we paid too much for Joe Allen. Again, you can't blame the manager for that. It's those dealing with the bidding of the players.

[Thommo's perm]

I think it is an absolute waste of time blaming anyone.
We have been beaten twice and drawn in our first three games and blaming people isnt going to solve the problem.
We need patience and plenty of it because like Ive said before, its going to get worse before it gets better

[celtic-red!]

FSG supported Kenny last year and they lost a fortune. Kenny did this to the club. Brendan and FSG need to clean up after Kenny and that is not going to be easy and I don`t blame Rogers if he needs 3 years to steady the ship.

If he can do that then maybe in 2015 Liverpool will be able to play at the same level as Benitez Liverpool team. The wrong signings and the 1980s football players Kenny signed will have a significant long term negative effect on the club.

It's all very easy to blame Kenny, isn't it? It wasn't him who put a value on the players the club bought. I assume he identified those players and Comolli & the board did the financial side. Kenny didn't lose them a fortune. Those dealing with the bidding of the players lost the club a fortune. I don't understand the "1980s players" theory. And the players Kenny signed will not have a long term negative effect on the club. Saurez and Enrique have been good signings, Bellamy was a good signing, and Carroll was coming good and should have been kept. Yes, there were/are question marks over Adam, Downing and Henderson, but no long term negative effect. That's an over reaction.

As for playing on the same level as the Benitez Liverpool team, have you forgotten how poor they were in his last season? Benitez was getting criticism for poor signings as well. I think we paid too much for Joe Allen. Again, you can't blame the manager for that. It's those dealing with the bidding of the players.

Kenny still should have had his own value of the players.  He set his targets and allowed the club to spend whatever it took.

We had a £13m bid for henderson rejected and then £16m.  After £13m bid, other managers would have said "bye bye sunderland" and went and got someone else.

Kenny went crazy and wanted his targets @ any cost.  £20m for Downing!!  Once Villa asked for that, again kenny should have walked away.

£35m for Carroll!  The biggest waste of money we will ever see!

Look how Brendan told Gylfi Sigurdsson to jog on once he made them huge wage demands.  BR had his own value of Gylfi and then decided he was not gonna go any higher!

Kenny should have been doing the same with all the above mentioned players!

[mart]

I think it is an absolute waste of time blaming anyone.
We have been beaten twice and drawn in our first three games and blaming people isnt going to solve the problem.
We need patience and plenty of it because like Ive said before, its going to get worse before it gets better

Yes with the fixture list we have it was always going to be a rough start to the season.

[Thommo's perm]

I think it is an absolute waste of time blaming anyone.
We have been beaten twice and drawn in our first three games and blaming people isnt going to solve the problem.
We need patience and plenty of it because like Ive said before, its going to get worse before it gets better

Yes with the fixture list we have it was always going to be a rough start to the season.

Absolutely. Weve been given no favours with the fixtures but we will just have to get on with it
Im frustrated, angry and gutted but I cant afford to criticise too much or lose my temper. We need calm and patience...

[banana(real one)]

FSG supported Kenny last year and they lost a fortune. Kenny did this to the club. Brendan and FSG need to clean up after Kenny and that is not going to be easy and I don`t blame Rogers if he needs 3 years to steady the ship.

If he can do that then maybe in 2015 Liverpool will be able to play at the same level as Benitez Liverpool team. The wrong signings and the 1980s football players Kenny signed will have a significant long term negative effect on the club.

It's all very easy to blame Kenny, isn't it? It wasn't him who put a value on the players the club bought. I assume he identified those players and Comolli & the board did the financial side. Kenny didn't lose them a fortune. Those dealing with the bidding of the players lost the club a fortune. I don't understand the "1980s players" theory. And the players Kenny signed will not have a long term negative effect on the club. Saurez and Enrique have been good signings, Bellamy was a good signing, and Carroll was coming good and should have been kept. Yes, there were/are question marks over Adam, Downing and Henderson, but no long term negative effect. That's an over reaction.

As for playing on the same level as the Benitez Liverpool team, have you forgotten how poor they were in his last season? Benitez was getting criticism for poor signings as well. I think we paid too much for Joe Allen. Again, you can't blame the manager for that. It's those dealing with the bidding of the players.

Kenny still should have had his own value of the players.  He set his targets and allowed the club to spend whatever it took.

We had a £13m bid for henderson rejected and then £16m.  After £13m bid, other managers would have said "bye bye sunderland" and went and got someone else.

Kenny went crazy and wanted his targets @ any cost.  £20m for Downing!!  Once Villa asked for that, again kenny should have walked away.

£35m for Carroll!  The biggest waste of money we will ever see!

Look how Brendan told Gylfi Sigurdsson to jog on once he made them huge wage demands.  BR had his own value of Gylfi and then decided he was not gonna go any higher!

Kenny should have been doing the same with all the above mentioned players!

Good post. Agreed.

[Calum]

FSG supported Kenny last year and they lost a fortune. Kenny did this to the club. Brendan and FSG need to clean up after Kenny and that is not going to be easy and I don`t blame Rogers if he needs 3 years to steady the ship.

If he can do that then maybe in 2015 Liverpool will be able to play at the same level as Benitez Liverpool team. The wrong signings and the 1980s football players Kenny signed will have a significant long term negative effect on the club.

It's all very easy to blame Kenny, isn't it? It wasn't him who put a value on the players the club bought. I assume he identified those players and Comolli & the board did the financial side. Kenny didn't lose them a fortune. Those dealing with the bidding of the players lost the club a fortune. I don't understand the "1980s players" theory. And the players Kenny signed will not have a long term negative effect on the club. Saurez and Enrique have been good signings, Bellamy was a good signing, and Carroll was coming good and should have been kept. Yes, there were/are question marks over Adam, Downing and Henderson, but no long term negative effect. That's an over reaction.

As for playing on the same level as the Benitez Liverpool team, have you forgotten how poor they were in his last season? Benitez was getting criticism for poor signings as well. I think we paid too much for Joe Allen. Again, you can't blame the manager for that. It's those dealing with the bidding of the players.

Kenny still should have had his own value of the players.  He set his targets and allowed the club to spend whatever it took.

We had a £13m bid for henderson rejected and then £16m.  After £13m bid, other managers would have said "bye bye sunderland" and went and got someone else.

Kenny went crazy and wanted his targets @ any cost.  £20m for Downing!!  Once Villa asked for that, again kenny should have walked away.

£35m for Carroll!  The biggest waste of money we will ever see!

Look how Brendan told Gylfi Sigurdsson to jog on once he made them huge wage demands.  BR had his own value of Gylfi and then decided he was not gonna go any higher!

Kenny should have been doing the same with all the above mentioned players!

Are you saying that it was Kenny who dictated what the club should spend on those players? Was he taking part in the negotiations with the selling clubs? Wasn't that Comolli and the owners' department? As far as I know, the manager identifies the players he wants and the financial side is left for those above to decide. Being the owners' money, surely it's up to them what the maximum price is to pay for a player... not Kenny's.

[tubby]

Phil McNulty ‏@philmcnulty

Brendan Rodgers asked would he have let Carroll go if he knew Liverpool would not sign anyone: "No." Was he confident he would: "Very."

[celtic-red!]

I am saying Kenny still should have had his own value on these players.  Unless he honestly felt Henderson was worth £20m why didn't he identity other players once they rejected £13m.  Which other manager would have paid £20m for Downing?

No other manager in the EPL would have paid what we did for Henderson, Downing and Carroll.  Other managers would have told the club look elsewhere!  We overspent massively last season and Kenny has to take his fair share of the blame for this!

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

FSG supported Kenny last year and they lost a fortune. Kenny did this to the club. Brendan and FSG need to clean up after Kenny and that is not going to be easy and I don`t blame Rogers if he needs 3 years to steady the ship.

If he can do that then maybe in 2015 Liverpool will be able to play at the same level as Benitez Liverpool team. The wrong signings and the 1980s football players Kenny signed will have a significant long term negative effect on the club.

It's all very easy to blame Kenny, isn't it? It wasn't him who put a value on the players the club bought. I assume he identified those players and Comolli & the board did the financial side. Kenny didn't lose them a fortune. Those dealing with the bidding of the players lost the club a fortune. I don't understand the "1980s players" theory. And the players Kenny signed will not have a long term negative effect on the club. Saurez and Enrique have been good signings, Bellamy was a good signing, and Carroll was coming good and should have been kept. Yes, there were/are question marks over Adam, Downing and Henderson, but no long term negative effect. That's an over reaction.

As for playing on the same level as the Benitez Liverpool team, have you forgotten how poor they were in his last season? Benitez was getting criticism for poor signings as well. I think we paid too much for Joe Allen. Again, you can't blame the manager for that. It's those dealing with the bidding of the players.

Kenny still should have had his own value of the players.  He set his targets and allowed the club to spend whatever it took.

We had a £13m bid for henderson rejected and then £16m.  After £13m bid, other managers would have said "bye bye sunderland" and went and got someone else.

Kenny went crazy and wanted his targets @ any cost.  £20m for Downing!!  Once Villa asked for that, again kenny should have walked away.

£35m for Carroll!  The biggest waste of money we will ever see!

Look how Brendan told Gylfi Sigurdsson to jog on once he made them huge wage demands.  BR had his own value of Gylfi and then decided he was not gonna go any higher!

Kenny should have been doing the same with all the above mentioned players!

what a load of rubbish. comoli was brought in by the OWNERS specifically to sign players, that was his job.
when he first arrived all you heard about was how revolutionary his stats based approach was and how he was a big mate of billy `moneyball` beane.
when we signed henderson and downing comoli actually mentioned in newspaper articles they were signed because they ticked all the boxes in terms of this  moneyball malarky.