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by **damjan193** » Sun Jan 15, 2012 7:08 pm

Swansea have such a great mentality though, it must be said.

by **Kerry07** » Sun Jan 15, 2012 7:20 pm

If we continue with the personnel we had yesterday then we have no chance of 4th (and Chelsea and Arsenal are doing their best to give it away).

We dont have enough of a goal threat. We need a clear out of the attacking players. I would consider throwing Raheem Sterling in now, giving him more frequent sub appearances as what we currently have in there isnt good enough. Gerrard and Suarez are the only two of the front six that are worth keeping.

Expectation as of now...because of our poor league form (we sit 7th, and have won 4 at home) the League Cup has grown in importance. Win that, finish around 6th (where i expect), then a summer clear out and identify quality attacking players to bring in.

by **stmichael** » Sun Jan 15, 2012 7:32 pm

I'm going to Bolton next week and to be fair after that curveball yesterday I now have no idea what team to expect us to play. Agger and Bellamy have to come in and to be fair if Maxi doesn't get a look in after that shambles yesterday he may aswell slap in a transfer request now.

Forget the top 3 as they are gone. We're in a scrap for Arsenal and Chelsea for 4th. Arsenal are the complete opposite to us in that they can score goals but their defence is an absolute shambles. Chelsea are nowhere near the force they used to be and are rebuilding. Sunderland should have scored three or four against them yesterday. This is what makes it all the more frustrating when you see us huffing and puffing to break down average sides at home.

Massive games coming up. Next four league games are Bolton, Spurs, United and Everton. We also have City in the Carling Cup and United in the FA Cup. Fortunately we tend to play better against better sides.

by **Kerry07** » Sun Jan 15, 2012 8:43 pm

When you consider we have drawn 7 at home, 5 to Stoke, Norwich, Swansea, Blackburn, Sunderland (also drew at Wigan).. where would we be had we signed a quality forward rather than Carroll? Put Llorente in there and we are a different team. That one signing makes the difference. Its small margins, and that particular decision has cost us (quite probably top 4 as i dont see us nicking it). Its the major reason i have a problem with people who say "give him time".. he has already cost us this season, no way can we afford this to happen another year.

My one concern following the Suarez suspension was we needed to sign a forward otherwise our season would be over in 6 weeks. Well we managed to navigate the first leg of the League Cup semi (so thats still intact) but in the league we have won 1 in our last 5. Carroll has scored 1 in the last 12, and made no assists. The personnel we had out there yesterday (Kuyt, Carroll, Downing) and 5 in defence, theres no threat there so we will continue to struggle opening teams up. One shot on target at home to Stoke.. 90 minutes, at Anfield.. and we get one shot on target. The worst thing is it wasn't a surprise. Its predictable.. and the team needs major surgery in the attack department.

by **Thommo's perm** » Sun Jan 15, 2012 8:50 pm

Kerry07 wrote:When you consider we have drawn 7 at home, 5 to Stoke, Norwich, Swansea, Blackburn, Sunderland (also drew at Wigan).. where would we be had we signed a quality forward rather than Carroll? Put Llorente in there and we are a different team. That one signing makes the difference. Its small margins, and that particular decision has cost us (quite probably top 4 as i dont see us nicking it). Its the major reason i have a problem with people who say "give him time".. he has already cost us this season, no way can we afford this to happen another year.

My one concern following the Suarez suspension was we needed to sign a forward otherwise our season would be over in 6 weeks. Well we managed to navigate the first leg of the League Cup semi (so thats still intact) but in the league we have won 1 in our last 5. Carroll has scored 1 in the last 12, and made no assists. The personnel we had out there yesterday (Kuyt, Carroll, Downing) and 5 in defence, theres no threat there so we will continue to struggle opening teams up. One shot on target at home to Stoke.. 90 minutes, at Anfield.. and we get one shot on target. The worst thing is it wasn't a surprise. Its predictable.. and the team needs major surgery in the attack department.

Fu*king hell you are remorseless! On and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on.
Youre not fussy about Carroll. WE GET IT!!!
Part of me wants to slap you hard and make you scream for mercy. The other part just wants to hold you till I die, till we both break down and cry

by **Kerry07** » Sun Jan 15, 2012 9:01 pm

what no...pause..for effect?

:laugh:

by **Thommo's perm** » Sun Jan 15, 2012 9:08 pm

Kerry07 wrote:what no...pause..for effect?

Keep flirting...dirty girl
:;):

by **KennyisGod....still** » Sun Jan 15, 2012 10:03 pm

go back a long time to when we were just another team in another division with hopes like anyone else but thats all they were. Then in came a man with a vision.... he built "a bastion", a fortress, a place no-one wanted to come to - Anfield. He built it slowly, properly and from the back forward. He put the defence right. We didnt lose silly goals very often. We became hard to beat. Then slowly but surely the rest of the team got formed. And we started winning. And the whole history of this proud proud club was changed. Because we became hard to beat. It was what was needed. It started the revolution that became the norm.

And if it happens again I personally dont care how many games we scrape 1-0 or even have to endure the 0-0 from yesterday just so long as I see it coming, and in all honesty part 1 of that 'plan' if indeed thats what it is, is already workin. We are hard to beat, aberrations apart like Pepe divin over the ball at citeh or refs sendin half the team off at spudz. We're not there yet, not by a long way but ffs we're alot nearer than we were in december 2010 and thats what I'm lookin for. We're a few points off a CL spot - whether we deserve it is a difrent matter, tho the old adage is the league dont lie come May and thats quite a long time ahead of us yet. I still think we can nick that 4th spot, its still not out of our own hands as we stand now.

Yes, I'd love a prolific goal scorer to come in this month, a creative midfielder in the Gerrard mould but 10 yrs younger'd be very nice too. But lets be realistic - we aint got CL football for these stars to come for, we aint even got Europa yet and we aint gonna pay stupid salaries as promised down the road, so your top top stars wont be attracted. But if we fail to get CL football next season - it wont solely be down to Andy Carroll!!!

by **Greavesie** » Sun Jan 15, 2012 10:16 pm

KennyisGod....still wrote:go back a long time to when we were just another team in another division with hopes like anyone else but thats all they were. Then in came a man with a vision.... he built "a bastion", a fortress, a place no-one wanted to come to - Anfield. He built it slowly, properly and from the back forward. He put the defence right. We didnt lose silly goals very often. We became hard to beat. Then slowly but surely the rest of the team got formed. And we started winning. And the whole history of this proud proud club was changed. Because we became hard to beat. It was what was needed. It started the revolution that became the norm.

And if it happens again I personally dont care how many games we scrape 1-0 or even have to endure the 0-0 from yesterday just so long as I see it coming, and in all honesty part 1 of that 'plan' if indeed thats what it is, is already workin. We are hard to beat, aberrations apart like Pepe divin over the ball at citeh or refs sendin half the team off at spudz. We're not there yet, not by a long way but ffs we're alot nearer than we were in december 2010 and thats what I'm lookin for. We're a few points off a CL spot - whether we deserve it is a difrent matter, tho the old adage is the league dont lie come May and thats quite a long time ahead of us yet. I still think we can nick that 4th spot, its still not out of our own hands as we stand now.

Yes, I'd love a prolific goal scorer to come in this month, a creative midfielder in the Gerrard mould but 10 yrs younger'd be very nice too. But lets be realistic - we aint got CL football for these stars to come for, we aint even got Europa yet and we aint gonna pay stupid salaries as promised down the road, so your top top stars wont be attracted. But if we fail to get CL football next season - it wont solely be down to Andy Carroll!!!

game on. I'm confident

by **mart** » Sun Jan 15, 2012 11:14 pm

KennyisGod....still wrote:go back a long time to when we were just another team in another division with hopes like anyone else but thats all they were. Then in came a man with a vision.... he built "a bastion", a fortress, a place no-one wanted to come to - Anfield. He built it slowly, properly and from the back forward. He put the defence right. We didnt lose silly goals very often. We became hard to beat. Then slowly but surely the rest of the team got formed. And we started winning. And the whole history of this proud proud club was changed. Because we became hard to beat. It was what was needed. It started the revolution that became the norm.

And if it happens again I personally dont care how many games we scrape 1-0 or even have to endure the 0-0 from yesterday just so long as I see it coming, and in all honesty part 1 of that 'plan' if indeed thats what it is, is already workin. We are hard to beat, aberrations apart like Pepe divin over the ball at citeh or refs sendin half the team off at spudz. We're not there yet, not by a long way but ffs we're alot nearer than we were in december 2010 and thats what I'm lookin for. We're a few points off a CL spot - whether we deserve it is a difrent matter, tho the old adage is the league dont lie come May and thats quite a long time ahead of us yet. I still think we can nick that 4th spot, its still not out of our own hands as we stand now.

Yes, I'd love a prolific goal scorer to come in this month, a creative midfielder in the Gerrard mould but 10 yrs younger'd be very nice too. But lets be realistic - we aint got CL football for these stars to come for, we aint even got Europa yet and we aint gonna pay stupid salaries as promised down the road, so your top top stars wont be attracted. But if we fail to get CL football next season - it wont solely be down to Andy Carroll!!!

Apart from the small time woy was the manager we have been hard to beat for many years.

by **Kerry07** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 2:05 am

KennyisGod....still wrote:go back a long time to when we were just another team in another division with hopes like anyone else but thats all they were. Then in came a man with a vision.... he built "a bastion", a fortress, a place no-one wanted to come to - Anfield. He built it slowly, properly and from the back forward. He put the defence right. We didnt lose silly goals very often. We became hard to beat. Then slowly but surely the rest of the team got formed. And we started winning. And the whole history of this proud proud club was changed. Because we became hard to beat. It was what was needed. It started the revolution that became the norm.

And if it happens again I personally dont care how many games we scrape 1-0 or even have to endure the 0-0 from yesterday just so long as I see it coming, and in all honesty part 1 of that 'plan' if indeed thats what it is, is already workin. We are hard to beat, aberrations apart like Pepe divin over the ball at citeh or refs sendin half the team off at spudz. We're not there yet, not by a long way but ffs we're alot nearer than we were in december 2010 and thats what I'm lookin for. We're a few points off a CL spot - whether we deserve it is a difrent matter, tho the old adage is the league dont lie come May and thats quite a long time ahead of us yet. I still think we can nick that 4th spot, its still not out of our own hands as we stand now.

Yes, I'd love a prolific goal scorer to come in this month, a creative midfielder in the Gerrard mould but 10 yrs younger'd be very nice too. But lets be realistic - we aint got CL football for these stars to come for, we aint even got Europa yet and we aint gonna pay stupid salaries as promised down the road, so your top top stars wont be attracted. But if we fail to get CL football next season - it wont solely be down to Andy Carroll!!!

That would be all fine and well if we had focused on defence (build from the back type thing), and then turn our attention to attack. But we haven't as we spent 70 million on attacking players Carroll, Downing and Henderson.

Our defence has been pretty solid for over 10 years now.. both Houllier and Rafa's teams were tight (why we were a successful Cup team). Four of the current back five are Rafa's (Reina, Agger, Skrtel, Johnson).

The main focus of Kenny's transfer dealings have been in attack, and its that that is our weakness. He signed poor British players for a fortune. Its how he undoes this error that will ultimately decide things for him. After signing a poor player, the worst mistake a manager can make is persisting with him, it compounds the error. On the Sunday Supplement today they spoke of not seeing Carroll playing for a big club, and were shocked when we went for him. It was a signing that caught everyone by surprise, and only Kenny knows why he did. When the subject of Carroll gets brought up in press conferences Kenny gets touchy. As early as last February he was saying "we bought him for 5 years not 5 months". Its a signing that is on his head, but the worst thing he can do is be stubborn and persist with the error, rather than try and limit the damage and get a replacement as soon as possible.

Without Suarez we offer very little in attack, and are incredibly easy to defend against. The description of yesterdays performance was "toothless". We had one shot on targer, and over 21 games we average just over a goal a game. Kenny has to start again from scratch as bar Luis and Gerrard the forward players are not good enough.

by **devaney** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:39 am

Kerry07 wrote:
KennyisGod....still wrote:go back a long time to when we were just another team in another division with hopes like anyone else but thats all they were. Then in came a man with a vision.... he built "a bastion", a fortress, a place no-one wanted to come to - Anfield. He built it slowly, properly and from the back forward. He put the defence right. We didnt lose silly goals very often. We became hard to beat. Then slowly but surely the rest of the team got formed. And we started winning. And the whole history of this proud proud club was changed. Because we became hard to beat. It was what was needed. It started the revolution that became the norm.

And if it happens again I personally dont care how many games we scrape 1-0 or even have to endure the 0-0 from yesterday just so long as I see it coming, and in all honesty part 1 of that 'plan' if indeed thats what it is, is already workin. We are hard to beat, aberrations apart like Pepe divin over the ball at citeh or refs sendin half the team off at spudz. We're not there yet, not by a long way but ffs we're alot nearer than we were in december 2010 and thats what I'm lookin for. We're a few points off a CL spot - whether we deserve it is a difrent matter, tho the old adage is the league dont lie come May and thats quite a long time ahead of us yet. I still think we can nick that 4th spot, its still not out of our own hands as we stand now.

Yes, I'd love a prolific goal scorer to come in this month, a creative midfielder in the Gerrard mould but 10 yrs younger'd be very nice too. But lets be realistic - we aint got CL football for these stars to come for, we aint even got Europa yet and we aint gonna pay stupid salaries as promised down the road, so your top top stars wont be attracted. But if we fail to get CL football next season - it wont solely be down to Andy Carroll!!!

That would be all fine and well if we had focused on defence (build from the back type thing), and then turn our attention to attack. But we haven't as we spent 70 million on attacking players Carroll, Downing and Henderson.

Our defence has been pretty solid for over 10 years now.. both Houllier and Rafa's teams were tight (why we were a successful Cup team). Four of the current back five are Rafa's (Reina, Agger, Skrtel, Johnson).

The main focus of Kenny's transfer dealings have been in attack, and its that that is our weakness. He signed poor British players for a fortune. Its how he undoes this error that will ultimately decide things for him. After signing a poor player, the worst mistake a manager can make is persisting with him, it compounds the error. On the Sunday Supplement today they spoke of not seeing Carroll playing for a big club, and were shocked when we went for him. It was a signing that caught everyone by surprise, and only Kenny knows why he did. When the subject of Carroll gets brought up in press conferences Kenny gets touchy. As early as last February he was saying "we bought him for 5 years not 5 months". Its a signing that is on his head, but the worst thing he can do is be stubborn and persist with the error, rather than try and limit the damage and get a replacement as soon as possible.

Without Suarez we offer very little in attack, and are incredibly easy to defend against. The description of yesterdays performance was "toothless". We had one shot on targer, and over 21 games we average just over a goal a game. Kenny has to start again from scratch as bar Luis and Gerrard the forward players are not good enough.

Do you have to write the same moronic, boring, negative, repetitive garbage on every single thread! Jog on bitter!

by **jacdaniel** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:05 am

I won't be too upset if we miss out on top 4 but win a trophy. Especially considering the injury to Lucas and the Suarez ban and the setbacks with Gerrard. Winning a dam trophy will create a hunger and winning mentality that we sadly lack. Sometimes knowing how to win is just as important as having the talent to do so.

win a trophy and do some more business this summer and we'll be on the way up. It takes time. City only qualified for CL this season and they didn't even make the knockout stages despite their spending approcahing the half a billion mark

by **Thommo's perm** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:13 am

Kerry07 wrote:
KennyisGod....still wrote:go back a long time to when we were just another team in another division with hopes like anyone else but thats all they were. Then in came a man with a vision.... he built "a bastion", a fortress, a place no-one wanted to come to - Anfield. He built it slowly, properly and from the back forward. He put the defence right. We didnt lose silly goals very often. We became hard to beat. Then slowly but surely the rest of the team got formed. And we started winning. And the whole history of this proud proud club was changed. Because we became hard to beat. It was what was needed. It started the revolution that became the norm.

And if it happens again I personally dont care how many games we scrape 1-0 or even have to endure the 0-0 from yesterday just so long as I see it coming, and in all honesty part 1 of that 'plan' if indeed thats what it is, is already workin. We are hard to beat, aberrations apart like Pepe divin over the ball at citeh or refs sendin half the team off at spudz. We're not there yet, not by a long way but ffs we're alot nearer than we were in december 2010 and thats what I'm lookin for. We're a few points off a CL spot - whether we deserve it is a difrent matter, tho the old adage is the league dont lie come May and thats quite a long time ahead of us yet. I still think we can nick that 4th spot, its still not out of our own hands as we stand now.

Yes, I'd love a prolific goal scorer to come in this month, a creative midfielder in the Gerrard mould but 10 yrs younger'd be very nice too. But lets be realistic - we aint got CL football for these stars to come for, we aint even got Europa yet and we aint gonna pay stupid salaries as promised down the road, so your top top stars wont be attracted. But if we fail to get CL football next season - it wont solely be down to Andy Carroll!!!

That would be all fine and well if we had focused on defence (build from the back type thing), and then turn our attention to attack. But we haven't as we spent 70 million on attacking players Carroll, Downing and Henderson.

Our defence has been pretty solid for over 10 years now.. both Houllier and Rafa's teams were tight (why we were a successful Cup team). Four of the current back five are Rafa's (Reina, Agger, Skrtel, Johnson).

The main focus of Kenny's transfer dealings have been in attack, and its that that is our weakness. He signed poor British players for a fortune. Its how he undoes this error that will ultimately decide things for him. After signing a poor player, the worst mistake a manager can make is persisting with him, it compounds the error. On the Sunday Supplement today they spoke of not seeing Carroll playing for a big club, and were shocked when we went for him. It was a signing that caught everyone by surprise, and only Kenny knows why he did. When the subject of Carroll gets brought up in press conferences Kenny gets touchy. As early as last February he was saying "we bought him for 5 years not 5 months". Its a signing that is on his head, but the worst thing he can do is be stubborn and persist with the error, rather than try and limit the damage and get a replacement as soon as possible.

Without Suarez we offer very little in attack, and are incredibly easy to defend against. The description of yesterdays performance was "toothless". We had one shot on targer, and over 21 games we average just over a goal a game. Kenny has to start again from scratch as bar Luis and Gerrard the forward players are not good enough.

Everythings Carrolls fault
Sunday supplement...
:sleep

by **alwayslfc** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:27 am

We'll finish 7th or 6th if we're lucky this season if we're not going to buy any quality players in this window. If J.Henry is as impatient as Abromovich, Kenny will be shown the door after May. I agree with JCDaniel, winning both the domestic silverware trophies or at least one of them will be good enough for me and could save Kenny from the chop.

Despite what all the Carroll defenders believe the lad will come out good, I don't think he will. He's just a good Newcastle striker but doesn't look like he'll repeat his Newcastle form here ever. Part of the reason for our slump, was the expensive signing of Carroll and if Kenny is going to persist with this poor lad and/or to justify the signing, we'll finish 7th again this season. And someone else could be in charge next season.

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