TAKEOVER COMPLETE - H & G Finally Jibbed!

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Postby Dundalk » Fri Oct 15, 2010 11:09 am

This is a saga, you wouldnt see this on Eastenders!
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Postby GRAHAM01 » Fri Oct 15, 2010 11:14 am

Dundalk wrote:This is a saga, you wouldnt see this on Eastenders!

to many happy parts to this for it to be like eastenders  :D
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Postby metalhead » Fri Oct 15, 2010 11:21 am

Well.. according to T+T's lawyer, they haven't dropped the restraining order, they are going to do it at 7 am Texas time when the court opens
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Postby jacdaniel » Fri Oct 15, 2010 11:21 am

11.16am: Does this make the TRO question clearer? I think it does (a little): Associated Press reports:


A lawyer for Liverpool's owners says they will drop their court order in Texas blocking the sale of the club.
The move does not mean current owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett have given up their fight to stop the £300 million sale to the owners of the Boston Red Sox.
Lawyer Keith Oliver, who represents Hicks and Gillett, tells The Associated Press they are applying to withdraw the temporary restraining order when the Dallas court convenes at 7 a.m. local time (1200 GMT) Friday.
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Postby SouthCoastShankly » Fri Oct 15, 2010 11:22 am

Regardless of the outcome in the next few hours, we'll definitely be in court again. Either NESV blocking Hicks or vice versa.
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Postby dawson99 » Fri Oct 15, 2010 11:23 am

SouthCoastShankly wrote:Regardless of the outcome in the next few hours, we'll definitely be in court again. Either NESV blocking Hicks or vice versa.

which may mean no deal done til monday, which means RBS not getting paid on time?

ok, starting to not like this now
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Postby Redman in wales » Fri Oct 15, 2010 11:25 am

thisisanfield    Keith Oliver, who represents H&G tells AP they are applying to withdraw the temporary restraining order when court convenes at 7am
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Postby ste123lfc » Fri Oct 15, 2010 11:37 am

I've just got a horrible feeling this tw@t will get hold of the money to repay RBS somehow. He is lower than snoopys bollox and will try anything. I think I hate him more than old whiskey nose, well nearly!!
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Postby jacdaniel » Fri Oct 15, 2010 11:38 am

I hate Tom Hicks a lot more than Whiskey nose!  a whole lot more.
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Postby JBG » Fri Oct 15, 2010 11:42 am

Hi all,

I have experience in commercial law and like to think that I have a good knowledge of it given that I also teach it.

I think the game is up for Hicks, the remaining issue to be sorted out is the removal of the TRO. The TRO is of nuisance value only, I dont think it can ruin the sale to NESV but it can cause problems for the principal parties as they dont want to be held in contempt of the TRO.

The position is, as I see it, based on the "facts" put out in the media by the board, RBS and NESV, as well as the reported arguements and rulings of the respective courts, as follows:

- H&G had serious problems with repayments and renegotiated their borrowings with RBS last April. It seems clear that the new facilities advanced by RBS were conditional that Martin Broughtan was appointed as chairman of the board, with H&G, Ian Ayre and Christian Purslow as the other members. The remit of the new chairman was to sell the club and (apparently) repay RBS in full by the 15th Oct. 2010.

- The sale process dragged on and MB claimed that he looked at approx. 130 potential purchasers.

- It appears that the sale of the club is not simply a matter of finding the most amount of money. I may be wrong here, but I recall that when David Moores and Rick Parry were looking to sell the club 4 years ago, they made it clear that any sale would have to include a covenant by the purchasers whereby they were to undertake to develop a new stadium (this may have been drafted to include the possibility of redeveloping Anfied). The whole point of David Moores selling was that he himself didnt have the means (nor appetite) to construct a new stadium. When H&G bought the club there was a lot of hot air about the new stadium, but I do recall talk that there was a positive contractual obligation upon them to build the stadium.

- There seems to be further evidence of this stadium covenant in the current sales process. I think this goes beyond a mere promise to placate the fans, I suspect that it is a positive contractual covenant that H&G were legally obliged to obey and legally obliged to pass on to prospective new purchasers if they didnt comply with it. All of the publicised bids referred to a new stadium build and it appears that this was a necessary pre-requisite of any bid considered by the board, not just as a moral condition to safeguard the future of the club and placate the fans but probably a positive and mandatory legal obligation imposed prospective purchasers going back to David Moores' sale. This appears to be clearer when the NESV bid/contract part comprises of money towards stadium construction.

- During the sale process H&G's hands were effectively tied as it appears that they were tied into an agreement with RBS whereby the board would have the final say over the sale. Obviously they subsequently became unhappy with this as they say that the board mishandled the sale in not looking at all the potential bids and sold the club at an under value.

- The board agreed the sale to NESV last week. We dont know exactly what this contract amounts to other than the sale price and certain allocations of monies under the price (again, strong reference is made to the stadium). Initially it appeared that this agreement was a pre contract agreement which I feared would allow NESV a quick exit if things became difficult with litigation but subsequent events has made it appear that there is indeed a binding contract to sell the club to NESV and that we are moving to the completion stage of that contract. I believe this as NESV have applied for and were granted Premier League Approval, were represented in the High Court during this week's proceedings in which their counsel apparently told the court that they have a binding contract to buy the club and the line taken all week by John  Henry that NESV have a binding agreement to buy the club. The fact that the board and RBS are in court seeking injunctive relief against H&G restraining them from interferring with the sale to NESV seems to me that there is a binding contract with NESV and the board and RBS are tied into it. .

- At this stage it appears that the horse has bolted for H&G. It appears that there is a binding deal with NESV and H&G, the board and RBS are locked into this sale. Therefore any late bids at this stage are irrelevant as it appears that there is a contract with NESV which cannot be broken. H&G are trying to get somebody to gazump this deal but effectively they cannot, as the board, RBS and NESV say that they have a deal.

- Its appears to me that Tom Hicks cannot sell or refinance as he is no longer entitled to do so. First of all he is bound by the refinancing agreement with RBS last April. Second of all, even if he could somehow sway RBS, their hands appear tied as the sale process initiated by them has been brought to near fruition with the contract with NESV. Effectively Hicks' shares are no longer his to sell or use as a security on a loan as he bought into the MB/RBS sales process last April and that process for the sale of his shares has been brought to near completion.

- It appears to me that we are in the end game of the sale process where the board and NESV are one small step away from completing the sale with the TRO being the only remaining obstacle. Technically this TRO cannot directly affect the sale as English law has jurisdiction and if the sale goes through today it'll be recognised by English law. The TRO is of nuisance value only: it cannot prevent the sale and the American courts wont be able to overturn the sale once it goes through. However, it has an indirect nuisance value as none of the parties want to be held in contempt of an American court and will seek to have it removed before they complete. Its clear, however, that if they so wished, they can validly complete the sale today and that sale would be valid in English law.

- A couple of people have asked where is David Moores in all of this. I think this is a valid question. If there was indeed a contractual covenant in the sale to H&G to build a stadium Moores may be able to take legal action to enforce this covenant. There is even precedent there can Moores might possibly be able to reclaim the club on the grounds of non compliance with the covenant although this would be a long shot in the extreme and Moores clearly has no appetite to get involved. However, it is a disapointment that he has put no pressure on H&G over the past three years to comply with this covenant (if it exists).

Again, the usual disclaimers apply as I am not party to all the facts but if what NESV says is correct then they have the whip hand and the sale must go to them, regardless of higher bidders and any fanciful attempts at re-finance.
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Postby RedSi35 » Fri Oct 15, 2010 11:43 am

I think we may have to have a little trust in RBS, they have appeared to be on our side throughout this week in trying for a resolution. It doesnt look like they want to sell to Mill. How can Mill be in the running? surely they need director approval for a sale ( which they wont get from Purslow, Broughton & Ayres ) they also wont have passed the FA's :censored: poor fit and proper test either.

If that delays the sale then do we not incurr another 40million interest? and the debt increases? and we lose 9 points?

:censored: sake so confused now

If more intrest is piled on the club would Mill then just pull out ( as they would have to pay the 237m + 40m ) to get the club?
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Postby Redman in wales » Fri Oct 15, 2010 11:43 am

TheSuperdrome:    Hicks may already have won. If mill own Kop hldngs and repay RBS, current #LFC board would be reconstituted prior to injunction lift 7amUS

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Postby steveh8204 » Fri Oct 15, 2010 11:45 am

Something that doesn't seem right to me about all this is why Broughton would sign a binding agreement with someone to buy the club if there was a remote chance Hicks could someone collaborate with someone (most likely Mills) to get the money to pay off RBS. This surely would cause all manner of legal problems for the board and RBS.

I can only conclude from this, and Broughtons confidence, that this is somehow all sorted legally in a way which hasn't come to light (as you wouldn't expect it to) and Hicks is just trying another desperate move which is destined to fail yet again.

Also the maths doesn't seem to add up for me. What Mills would have to pay Hicks plus what they would have to pay RBS plus any possible pending lawsuits from NESV would surely make it not worth the risk, whether or not they already have £75m tied up in this.

Well thats what I'm hoping anyway. I'm trying to be optimistic but at the moment it's proving more difficult.

Can't believe how complicated this has all got, hope anyone who ever thinks about getting into bed with Hicks again sees what happened here and steers well clear (like Moores should have!).
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Postby Redman in wales » Fri Oct 15, 2010 11:49 am

JBG wrote:- During the sale process H&G's hands were effectively tied as it appears that they were tied into an agreement with RBS whereby the board would have the final say over the sale. Obviously they subsequently became unhappy with this as they say that the board mishandled the sale in not looking at all the potential bids and sold the club at an under value.

- The board agreed the sale to NESV last week. We dont know exactly what this contract amounts to other than the sale price and certain allocations of monies under the price (again, strong reference is made to the stadium). Initially it appeared that this agreement was a pre contract agreement which I feared would allow NESV a quick exit if things became difficult with litigation but subsequent events has made it appear that there is indeed a binding contract to sell the club to NESV and that we are moving to the completion stage of that contract. I believe this as NESV have applied for and were granted Premier League Approval, were represented in the High Court during this week's proceedings in which their counsel apparently told the court that they have a binding contract to buy the club and the line taken all week by John  Henry that NESV have a binding agreement to buy the club. The fact that the board and RBS are in court seeking injunctive relief against H&G restraining them from interferring with the sale to NESV seems to me that there is a binding contract with NESV and the board and RBS are tied into it. .

- At this stage it appears that the horse has bolted for H&G. It appears that there is a binding deal with NESV and H&G, the board and RBS are locked into this sale. Therefore any late bids at this stage are irrelevant as it appears that there is a contract with NESV which cannot be broken. H&G are trying to get somebody to gazump this deal but effectively they cannot, as the board, RBS and NESV say that they have a deal.

- Its appears to me that Tom Hicks cannot sell or refinance as he is no longer entitled to do so. First of all he is bound by the refinancing agreement with RBS last April. Second of all, even if he could somehow sway RBS, their hands appear tied as the sale process initiated by them has been brought to near fruition with the contract with NESV. Effectively Hicks' shares are no longer his to sell or use as a security on a loan as he bought into the MB/RBS sales process last April and that process for the sale of his shares has been brought to near completion.

- It appears to me that we are in the end game of the sale process where the board and NESV are one small step away from completing the sale with the TRO being the only remaining obstacle. Technically this TRO cannot directly affect the sale as English law has jurisdiction and if the sale goes through today it'll be recognised by English law. The TRO is of nuisance value only: it cannot prevent the sale and the American courts wont be able to overturn the sale once it goes through. However, it has an indirect nuisance value as none of the parties want to be held in contempt of an American court and will seek to have it removed before they complete. Its clear, however, that if they so wished, they can validly complete the sale today and that sale would be valid in English law.

- A couple of people have asked where is David Moores in all of this. I think this is a valid question. If there was indeed a contractual covenant in the sale to H&G to build a stadium Moores may be able to take legal action to enforce this covenant. There is even precedent there can Moores might possibly be able to reclaim the club on the grounds of non compliance with the covenant although this would be a long shot in the extreme and Moores clearly has no appetite to get involved. However, it is a disapointment that he has put no pressure on H&G over the past three years to comply with this covenant (if it exists).

Again, the usual disclaimers apply as I am not party to all the facts but if what NESV says is correct then they have the whip hand and the sale must go to them, regardless of higher bidders and any fanciful attempts at re-finance.

that's awesome JBG thanks

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but a question.

It is still unclear that if - lets say - Mill Finance gives Hicks £240m, and Hicks then pays off RBS when the TRO is lifted at 7am U.S. time.

Does then then release the contract with RBS that ties them in to selling a club with the board majority rule?

So in effect Hicks would still own the club as the RBS contract which states Broughton and the 5 board members have a majority vote to sell the club.

Meaning then - just playing devils advocate - Hicks could sell to Huang for £360m, Hicks pays off £240m to Mill, leaving him with £120m profit.

Could that happen?   (all figures are just examples)
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Postby Benny The Noon » Fri Oct 15, 2010 11:50 am

How can hicks sell his shares when 1. It violates the injunction he himself took out and 2. He needs board approval .
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