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by **Penguins** » Wed Oct 06, 2010 1:16 pm

I am very wary of American sports owners though all of them just see it as investments, it's in their blod.

They all expect to make money, promise alot and delivers little after a few years.

For me, if you choose sports to primarily make money you have chosen the wrong place to "invest" your money.

Also since a thing like transfer fees doesn't exist in American sports it always comes as a huge shock to american owners that you not only have to pay high wages but also very high fees just to get players.
Not such thing as a "draft" exists over here so there is no equal sharing of talents, so you have to buy them instead to get the edge.

And the big problem is that they normally have one "player budget" which in the states is more or less wage expenses. But here it includes transfer fees and since they want to make profit above all that "player budget" becomes relatively small.

And they are so good at talking **** and say the "right" things as you can't trust anything they say.

by **Ciggy** » Wed Oct 06, 2010 1:20 pm

RED BEERGOGGLES wrote:
Dundalk wrote:
Ciggy wrote:What happens with Roy? These fellas will bring a new manager in. Wonder who it will be ?

How do you know?

Because by all account DD he is in the habit of producing winners mate ..... Roy doesn't belong to this exclusive bunch going by what we have witnessed so far ...

What RB said DD.

by **Dundalk** » Wed Oct 06, 2010 1:24 pm

Fair enough but Roy will come good :;):

(i hope)

by **tommycockles** » Wed Oct 06, 2010 1:25 pm

As soon as it's confirmed that the sale is completed i'll be heading out to buy a new shirt- it's been a few years since i've had one!!

by **Dundalk** » Wed Oct 06, 2010 1:32 pm

Ciggy wrote:
RED BEERGOGGLES wrote:
Dundalk wrote:
Ciggy wrote:What happens with Roy? These fellas will bring a new manager in. Wonder who it will be ?

How do you know?

Because by all account DD he is in the habit of producing winners mate ..... Roy doesn't belong to this exclusive bunch going by what we have witnessed so far ...

What RB said DD.

tariq panja on twitter

broughton says prospective new owners have full confidence in Roy Hodgson. Money will be available for new players in January

:laugh:

by **RED BEERGOGGLES** » Wed Oct 06, 2010 1:35 pm

Well I am going out later Tonight to get well and truly mullered ...and celebrate like its the impending demise of the owners ,
Tomorrow I will put my apprehensive head on...... but Tonight I will drink my weight in Becks ....its been a long time coming

by **Ciggy** » Wed Oct 06, 2010 1:36 pm

Dundalk wrote:tariq panja on twitter

broughton says prospective new owners have full confidence in Roy Hodgson. Money will be available for new players in January

SSN Roy is the favourite for the England job please be true :laugh:

by **neil** » Wed Oct 06, 2010 1:36 pm

RED BEERGOGGLES wrote:Well I am going out later Tonight to get well and truly mullered ...and celebrate like its the impending demise of the owners ,
Tomorrow I will put my apprehensive head on...... but Tonight I will drink my weight in Becks ....its been a long time coming

is it deffo tonight your going out and not tomorrow?

by **RED BEERGOGGLES** » Wed Oct 06, 2010 1:37 pm

J Mc on now on North West Today

by **Dundalk** » Wed Oct 06, 2010 1:38 pm

Ciggy wrote:
Dundalk wrote:tariq panja on twitter

broughton says prospective new owners have full confidence in Roy Hodgson. Money will be available for new players in January

SSN Roy is the favourite for the England job please be true

by **YNWAinNYC** » Wed Oct 06, 2010 1:38 pm

Longtime lurker here, thought I'd throw in some knowledge on this, as I am (gulp) an American.

John Henry is just about the best owner in baseball. He's passionate and he supports his team both financially and with the best decisions possible. He brought in a boy genius to run the club in 2002, invested a lot of money and won the World Series in 2004. Then, he invested a bunch in their youth set up, at the request of the young executive (largely considered the best in the game) and won another World Series in 2007.

He's a smart, capable, HONEST guy, and really, the ideal owner. He invests, but also lets his sporting people run the show. If I could have one sports owner run LFC, it'd be John Henry. He always embraces the local fans, the local heroes, and supports with money.

By the way, I'm not a plant or shill. I like the Red Sox, but I'm a 24-year old New York-based writer. Even google me: Jordan Zakarin.

If anyone has any questions about this bloke, feel free to ask. I'll be hanging around for good now! YNWA

by **bigmick** » Wed Oct 06, 2010 1:39 pm

I can't believe that any prospectve new owners weren't made fully aware of who any new manager was going to be, and like as not had a veto if they didn't want him. That said, there's no point in spunking money on a football club if the manager is fecking it up. Roy needs to pull his finger out of his ersehole.

by **stmichael** » Wed Oct 06, 2010 1:41 pm

YNWAinNYC wrote:Longtime lurker here, thought I'd throw in some knowledge on this, as I am (gulp) an American.

John Henry is just about the best owner in baseball. He's passionate and he supports his team both financially and with the best decisions possible. He brought in a boy genius to run the club in 2002, invested a lot of money and won the World Series in 2004. Then, he invested a bunch in their youth set up, at the request of the young executive (largely considered the best in the game) and won another World Series in 2007.

He's a smart, capable, HONEST guy, and really, the ideal owner. He invests, but also lets his sporting people run the show. If I could have one sports owner run LFC, it'd be John Henry. He always embraces the local fans, the local heroes, and supports with money.

By the way, I'm not a plant or shill. I like the Red Sox, but I'm a 24-year old New York-based writer. Even google me: Jordan Zakarin.

If anyone has any questions about this bloke, feel free to ask. I'll be hanging around for good now! YNWA

cheers. welcome to the forum.

by **Redman in wales** » Wed Oct 06, 2010 1:41 pm

edit.

Liverpool’s potential new owners, New England Sports Ventures, have proposed buying Liverpool in a £300m deal that will involve a cash injection of £240m to clear most of the club’s debt, sportingintelligence can reveal. This should alleviate some concerns among fans that the club is heading for another leveraged buyout. (SoS fans’ group initial response here)

As the sales process remains fluid – but complicated by legal action by Tom Hicks and George Gillett (more from earlier / plus some legal opinion) – we can also reveal:

•New England Sports Ventures (NESV), owners of the Boston Red Sox, were the preferred bidders of RBS bank, which was owed a large chunk of £237m by Hicks / Gillett / Liverpool. The other “credible” bidder’s identity remains unconfirmed.
•The former Arsenal managing director, Keith Edelman, has been working on the deal as an advisor to RBS, but solely for his knowledge of football finance, and will have no role at Liverpool.
•NESV has promised £240m in cash to wipe out the majority of the monies owed to RBS and Wachovia. This is cash, not borrowed money, and therefore not to be leveraged against any Liverpool assets, sources say.
•Some £60m of debt will remain in the club (guaranteed by NESV), with approximately £40m of that earmarked for stadium redevelopment, and £20m for cashflow.
•The £240m debt clearance plus assuming responsibility for the other £60m gives the £300m valuation for the deal.
•NESV has “an open mind” on whether it will build a new stadium. The Red Sox’s Fenway Park was redeveloped rather than the Sox being relocated, for example.
•Executives from NESV have already had at least one “clearance” meeting with the Premier League to discuss meeting “fit and proper” owners requirements, say sources Stateside. The Premier League is expected to release a statement later today to make the general point it is undertaking its own checks.
•Sportingintelligence understands NESV has already provided the Premier League with proof of funds and a sustainable business plan and the League should be able to “green light” the sale from its own point of view by Friday.
.

Liverpool’s chairman Martin Broughton has said today: “This was frankly [Hicks and Gillett’s] last chance to leave Liverpool with their heads high and they have chosen to go this route.

“It is a difficult issue. Part of me taking on the role – and I was appointed by Tom and George – was that they gave a written undertaking that only I could change the board, they wrote that into the articles of the two companies Kop Football and Kop Holdings.

“They also gave a written undertaking to RBS that they would not frustrate any reasonable sale and this is frankly a flagrant abuse of those two written undertakings.”

“At Fenway they chose not to build a new stadium. They will want to make sure that they do the right thing, but [Liverpool] willl have a stadium which holds 60,000-odd.

“Whether that is the new stadium as designed or not, that is not a commitment, but will we have stadium development? Yes.”

The legal wrangle over whether the board should have been allowed to agree a sale goes on but Broughton is confident it is a battle that can be won.

by **bigmick** » Wed Oct 06, 2010 1:42 pm

YNWAinNYC wrote:Longtime lurker here, thought I'd throw in some knowledge on this, as I am (gulp) an American.

John Henry is just about the best owner in baseball. He's passionate and he supports his team both financially and with the best decisions possible. He brought in a boy genius to run the club in 2002, invested a lot of money and won the World Series in 2004. Then, he invested a bunch in their youth set up, at the request of the young executive (largely considered the best in the game) and won another World Series in 2007.

He's a smart, capable, HONEST guy, and really, the ideal owner. He invests, but also lets his sporting people run the show. If I could have one sports owner run LFC, it'd be John Henry. He always embraces the local fans, the local heroes, and supports with money.

By the way, I'm not a plant or shill. I like the Red Sox, but I'm a 24-year old New York-based writer. Even google me: Jordan Zakarin.

If anyone has any questions about this bloke, feel free to ask. I'll be hanging around for good now! YNWA

Nice mate, welcome.

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