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Postby Owzat » Sun May 02, 2010 6:53 am

rocky29 wrote:am sorry but rafa has had 6 years to build a formidible squad. you can have all the money in china but it comes down to rafas negative tactics. he will never change his style hes to stubborn. we should rebuild our team around aquilani. quick one touch football rafa would never play that style..when we get new owners theres only one man i would trust to get us out of this mess and thats fabio the great capello. like hes done with england he can do for us simple.

Exactly.

Fans on here aren't "impatient", Rafa has had a long time, spent a lot of money and we're struggling to finish where we've finished the last TEN seasons on the bounce - top five. It goes deeper than just signings or results, it is the 'style', the lack of ability to defend, the weakness he has in substitutions and a lot of other things including media relations (he comes across as a spoiled child not getting his way, that's life Rafa, you don't always get what you're "promised") and these are things that aren't going to change - people don't very often change. So it's not about changing the money, he might even change tactics, but WYSIWYG with Rafa and if people are impressed and want patience then I'd say they're happy with less than they should be.

I don't believe MON or Hodgson would be better managers. MON could well be killing villa, too stuck in poor tactics like Rafa and Hodgson is getting way too much praise, the calls for manager of the year make me laugh based on the Euro Disney League and that's about it - Fulham are 13th, three games to go but that is usually about the mark sides set themselves to avoid relegation. Half their form is at home, 10 wins at home and just the one away from Craven Cottage. I've nothing against Hodgson, but he's nothing special. McLaren reached a UEFA Cup final, he was nothing special either.

Yet 'arry has spudz as serious contenders, not only taking them from a struggling position, but already they've broken their own Premiership record of points. He has a good track record at every club he's managed and somehow doesn't get the same credit other managers do for doing something quaint or nothing worth mentioning. Stoke and brum are ABOVE Fulham ffs and yet noone's shedding cumloads in buckets over them as manager, although with their styles of play that isn't surprising. But in terms of resources, experienced Premiership players etc their starting point is way behind Fulham's


I don't advocate Rafa leaving to be replaced by half the candidates that get touted all the time, but I seriously cannot see him winning the league if you gave him TWENTY YEARS. He is too defensive in mindset, to put this season into perspective it isn't just having a 'bad season', we've lost ONE IN THREE GAMES - not even to top sides, there are pompey, Wigan, Reading, Lille, Sunderland, not to mention lame draws against Stoke, Blackburn, brum and Wolves. We can't beat them with the players we have?!?!?! End of excuses please, the cobblers about 'patience' is just icing on the cake, I guess you'd sit there for 24 hours waiting for a TV to work when it was obvious after 10-15 mins to most it wasn't gonna....................................
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Postby Octsky » Sun May 02, 2010 7:07 am

To me, Rafa is gone next season. no more.
I am sick of him going to the press everytime to leverage his position.

i have no respect for SAF, and mancs has no better owners than us, but u dont see him going to the press complaining about the owners. they sold the diver for 80 mil last yr and only got to sign Owen (free), Valencia (20 mil), what happened to the 60 mil? They have to still relying on a 36 yrs old Walsh, 2 old English man and they are on the verge of creating history.

Rafa, just shut up and do your job. You are not the only one with no money to sign players.
And seeing Morinhoo's sick celebration in front of the Barca fans, I hope that he never steps near our beloved club. That man has a rotten character.

I hope that Kenny can take over for the while, the man still loves the club and should be given a chance.
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Postby lakes10 » Sun May 02, 2010 8:44 am

looks like Rafa has gone to the black and white strips over seas.
today seem set to be his goodbye to the kop.
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Postby Ciggy » Sun May 02, 2010 8:47 am

lakes10 wrote:today seem set to be his goodbye to the kop.

I bet your feckin made up arnt yer?
There is no-one anywhere in the world at any stage who is any bigger or any better than this football club.

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Postby lakes10 » Sun May 02, 2010 8:58 am

Ciggy wrote:
lakes10 wrote:today seem set to be his goodbye to the kop.

I bet your feckin made up arnt yer?

why would i be, most of us have known he was going for a very long time and have only been looking at who's going to be our next manager.
I thank Rafa for a great night in the CL and a great day in the FA cup, but for me the league is what Liverpool is about. i was in my mid teens standing on the Kop the last time we won the league, not its not all down to Rafa , but under Rafa the league has always been a 2nd, its time a new manager comes in that put the prem 1st.

Rafa has never been the man for me, i set my stall out the week before he come here saying that he did not understand the english game and the history.

Rafa is one of the best ever CL managers and will do well in his next yob.
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Postby maguskwt » Sun May 02, 2010 9:14 am

If rafa goes, I pray that the board begs their :censored: off to Kenny to take over as manager. None of the current premier league managers impresses me. God help us all if the likes of oneil or hodgens become our manager. Another candidate that would be suitable IMO would be hiddink. He is good with working with what he has. I still can't believe though that this season's performances are being labeled as typical of rafa on here. We had two very good seasons in the league under rafa, third and last season. We were considered making progress until last season even by the anti's. And now after this season, these things were all forgotten. And I still can't believe it. But fair enough, rafa had had enough time, but I don't necessarily agree that he had had enough backing, so if he has to go, he has to go. What i would be more concerned now would be who we're getting. If we go for veterans, then the above would be my options. Either that or go with a new face with fresh ideas, who knows a new face might be able to pull off what guardiola did for barca.
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Postby lakes10 » Sun May 02, 2010 9:26 am

maguskwt wrote:If rafa goes, I pray that the board begs their :censored: off to Kenny to take over as manager. None of the current premier league managers impresses me. God help us all if the likes of oneil or hodgens become our manager. Another candidate that would be suitable IMO would be hiddink. He is good with working with what he has. I still can't believe though that this season's performances are being labeled as typical of rafa on here. We had two very good seasons in the league under rafa, third and last season. We were considered making progress until last season even by the anti's. And now after this season, these things were all forgotten. And I still can't believe it. But fair enough, rafa had had enough time, but I don't necessarily agree that he had had enough backing, so if he has to go, he has to go. What i would be more concerned now would be who we're getting. If we go for veterans, then the above would be my options. Either that or go with a new face with fresh ideas, who knows a new face might be able to pull off what guardiola did for barca.

its seem theres 2 prem names linked to the job and the one overseas name, i am almost 100% sure that JM will not come to us due to the money thing......unless something is sorted fast.
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Postby parchpea » Sun May 02, 2010 9:32 am

I dont care for O'Neill as to me he is the Irish Rafa, same tactics, similair way about him and prone to getting his whinge on. Hodgsons a different animal and I wouldnt be too disappointed if he came. Top class fella and he would improve the team we have no to me theres no doubt. If Benitez is away then I assume it will be the big guns on the hit list first, Mourhino then down the order.I would think Hodgson is in the top 5.Theres too much panic over Benitez going, hysteria, when actually there wont be a problem.The time is for change at the club on all levels after as poor a season at Liverpool as I can recall. We will move on and do alright, with a new cast, new heroes and fresh hope.
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Postby mart » Sun May 02, 2010 9:40 am

Penguins wrote:I wonder what it will take for some supporters to hold up their hands and accept that we no longer are a top club with a real chance of fighting for top honours.

2 years with no money? Obviously not..

4 years? Title still demanded? thought so.

10 years and no money? Hmm, not a chance. Sack the manager for not being able to walk on water. I want that title!

20 years? Money is overrated. Look at what Paisley did with almost no money. You can win without it. Just bring back Daglish and everything will be as it was in the good old 80's...

ffs, wake up  :no

Thats why i hope Kenny is not our next manager.
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Postby mart » Sun May 02, 2010 9:44 am

Owzat wrote:I don't advocate Rafa leaving to be replaced by half the candidates that get touted all the time, but I seriously cannot see him winning the league if you gave him TWENTY YEARS. He is too defensive in mindset,

Its funny when half the forum complains about negative tactics and then dreams of Mourinho as manager.
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Postby Scottbot » Sun May 02, 2010 9:44 am

maguskwt wrote:why go for a change in manager when we know that those who we are being linked with won't be an improvement over Rafa?

Because we don't know that at all. That is just your opinion but many others do not share it dude.
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Postby fivecups » Sun May 02, 2010 9:52 am

Good post from AlanF on RAWK below. I came to the conclusion midway through this season that it was time for a change provided we can bring a top quality replacement in. I continue to feel the same way. There is a real risk that whoever comes in could do worse than Rafa has of late though, so for me these remain dark days in our history.

"Plenty who could do a good job?"...

What's your definition of a good job. Winning the Premier League ahead of Chelsea, United, Arsenal and probably City?... Winning the FA Cup?... Winning the European Cup again?...

We've got a manager who can do a good job, a great job in the right circumstances. I don't think a new manager will have any problem satisfying the "pro-Rafa mob" - fans who respect a man doing a difficult job in appalling circumstances. It's the anti-Rafa mob he'll have to look out for...

The type of fan who won't accept any excuse for failure and who'll put all of the blame on the manager regardless of boardroom issues, lack of funds, injuries etc...

The type of fan who expects Liverpool to win the League regardless of our transfer budget...

The type of fan who regurgitates the same tired old tabloid/Sky Sports :censored: about players, man-management and tactics...

I really don't think people understand how difficult it is to succeed at the highest level. It isn't about a bit of arm-round-the-shoulder motivation. Yes that might get you a couple of points against Wigan but at the expense of what? Does that style of management beat Chelsea, or United or Milan, Real Madrid, Juventus or Barcelona?... of course it doesn't.

I know Liverpool will exist without Benitez and I know I'll be at Anfield next season regardless of who's the manager. But I do worry about him leaving because I can't see anyone doing any better in our current circumstances.

Yes we might pick up some unproven tyro managerial genius from Serie B who can take us to the League Title and another European Cup with no money and against a background of boardroom turmoil... anything's possible. Is it liekly? Is it :censored:.

I expect the owners to be in place at the start of next season but I doubt if Benitez will be the manager. Still at least it should be easier to get tickets..."
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Postby shabelle50 » Sun May 02, 2010 11:14 am

If Benitez didn't have the money last sumer he was promised why didn't he resign then? Who bought Keane the summer before for £20 million? Who spent the Alonso money on Aquilani who wasn't fit for three months or ready for the premier league when he was fit? He could have pushed Gerrard further back this season and used the money from both those deals on getting Silva in last summer to play with Torres. It's a joke. Benitez gave up on fourth some time ago. Unlike with Houllier Benitez won't be pushed out the door he'll just be further undermined if he refuses the offer from Turin. My guess is that he'll either walk after the Hull game or within a few weeks of that.
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Postby cpc4eva » Sun May 02, 2010 11:16 am

as five cups rightly stated dark days in our clubs history.....

compare yesteryear when manure had busby (ex liverpool player) and george best in their side they became strong after their disater then they became a disatrous club in the wilderness dark days in their history for a long time as LFC and other clubs took to playing focused team football we were the dominant force in the 70s and 80s.

we lost our soul after king kenny departed dramatically after that fa cup 4-4 draw with the blue bitters then the fa turned into a premier league manure has become dominant with an autocratic whisky nosed sod face as manager and its become the darkest days in LFC history.  according to sod face hodgson should be manager of the year... not having any of ur :censored: whisky nose.

will king kenny come back if he is asked ? maybe but probably not as he went to Blackburn with a chairman / owner who gave him a suitable kitty.

is there anyone in managerial ranks not already at a big club that could turn around LFC ???  probably not.

rafa is not our saviour as we had all hoped..... he does need to be replaced he needs to take the juve job for his own sanity and ours....

the question is who would be the manager to turn LFC around and focus on the bread and butter of a premier league title ? who can bring young talented men to LFC and gel them with gerrard, torres, carra etc and who can bring wingers and a defence that is 2nd to none and turn LFC fortunes around ?

i wish i had an answer i wish there was a man out there like shanks because we need a clone of him right now.
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Postby mart » Sun May 02, 2010 11:49 am

cpc4eva wrote:rafa is not our saviour as we had all hoped..... he does need to be replaced he needs to take the juve job for his own sanity and ours....

I'm looking for our saviour in our next owners, not in our next manager. Not because I hope for some filthy rich guy that wants to spend billions on new players. Instead i hope we get someone that wants to build up Liverpool to once again be a top club. Someone that can improve our financial situation so that we can compete at the highest level without depending on some rich uncle to pay the bills.

It might mean that we have to wait another 5-10 years for the next league win, but this club has to change if we want a stable top club. I think Rafa has started some processes in this club that we will see the benefit of for years to come, but its up to the new owners to take it to the next level. Unfortunately I dont think our current owners care one bit what the next owners will do with the club, so we just have to hope for some improvement on the current situation.
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