RAFA BENITEZ LEAVES LIVERPOOL - Official Thread, includes merged threads

Liverpool Football Club - General Discussion

Postby mart » Sun May 02, 2010 12:04 am

Ben Patrick wrote:The majority still show respect.

I think there is about 3 or 4 people that come on here that have been openly disrespectful, but hardly anyone when you se how many posters there actually are.

It might not be that many but its uninteresting (to say the least) to read this forum when every thread has the same "Rafa sucks" and "Lucas sucks" posts.
mart
LFC Super Member
 
Posts: 2152
Joined: Sun Nov 25, 2007 4:48 pm

Postby Scottbot » Sun May 02, 2010 12:04 am

Ben Patrick wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:No not at posters Scott , there is still some that despite wanting him gone can still show respect to the man

The majority still show respect.

I think there is about 3 or 4 people that come on here that have been openly disrespectful, but hardly anyone when you se how many posters there actually are.

I agree, I think most posters remain respectful to Rafa. Sure it gets a bit heated after matches but for the most part.
User avatar
Scottbot
>> LFC Elite Member <<
 
Posts: 4919
Joined: Thu Jan 22, 2004 8:02 pm
Location: Winchester, Hampshire

Postby Ben Patrick » Sun May 02, 2010 12:12 am

mart wrote:
Ben Patrick wrote:The majority still show respect.

I think there is about 3 or 4 people that come on here that have been openly disrespectful, but hardly anyone when you se how many posters there actually are.

It might not be that many but its uninteresting (to say the least) to read this forum when every thread has the same "Rafa sucks" and "Lucas sucks" posts.

if they are not performing its only natural.

I actually think Lucas has done ok this year.
He just shouldnt be a regular starter for Liverpool FC.
Sabre looks like a big lezzer
User avatar
Ben Patrick
 
Posts: 3933
Joined: Mon Jul 13, 2009 5:47 pm
Location: Liverpool

Postby Thewaykokid » Sun May 02, 2010 12:30 am

s@int wrote:Rafa Benitez has paved the way for his Kop exit by accusing Liverpool of breaking the promises which prompted him to pen a new contract.

The beleaguered boss expects today's clash with Chelsea to be his last game at Anfield as Liverpool manager.

Only the terms of his departure stand in the way of him going after next weekend's final Premier League game at Hull.


But there's no chance of Benitez going quietly. He believes his board have failed to stand by guarantees on transfer funds they made a year ago.

And he's also disillusioned by what he considers a lack of support from the Anfield hierarchy.

Benitez knows the board of directors want him to resign to prevent them from paying out a massive £16million if they sack him. They will also seek compensation for themselves if they can prove an illegal approach was made by Juventus for his services.

However, Benitez is sure to argue he's entitled to his own costs on leaving the club, especially as he claims he's been forced to work under disagreeable conditions.

Benitez said: "I decided to sign an extension because the squad was good and the money could be there. At the end, things changed. We've had a bad season and hopefully things will be different in the future, but at the moment I can't talk about the future because I don't know what's going on.

"I decided to stay under some conditions which have changed. I left Valencia because the conditions changed. The season has not been good, that is clear. We know why and what has to change."

Just over a year ago, Benitez signed a five-year deal worth £20m.

He believed he'd get an annual £20m transfer kitty on top of the money he raised in sales.

He also fought for complete power over all transfer decisions and thought former chief executive Rick Parry's departure gave him the control he wanted.

But managing director Christian Purslow's appointment last summer ensured the board would continue to have their say on how the budget was spent and how transfers were negotiated.

Most of the funds were swallowed up by contract extensions for Steven Gerrard, Fernando Torres, Dirk Kuyt, Yossi Benayoun and Benitez himself.

The manager insists he didn't realise that would be the case - and the tensions have grown ever since. Instead of heralding a new era, the relationship between Benitez and Purslow is now at breaking point.

Club officials were stunned to be accused of failing to back Benitez given the length of his contract and the public support they gave during this season's disappointments.

Liverpool's profits will take a major hit this season due to their early cup exits and likely failure to finish in the top four.

At the same time, Juventus have been openly courting Benitez since January, when the Spaniard admitted he was proud of their interest. Privately, Benitez wanted Real Madrid to come calling too, but they've turned to Jose Mourinho.

AC Milan is another potential destination for Benitez, while last year he says he turned down Manchester City.

He'll leave behind a club in state of depression following Thursday's Europa League exit.

Purslow must make one of the biggest decisions in the club's history.

He and his board must decide whether to act immediately after the Hull clash or wait to see if Benitez accepts another job. That risks losing potential targets.

With first choice Mourinho seemingly heading to Spain, the frontrunners for the Anfield post are now Martin O'Neill and Roy Hodgson. Further afield, Benfica boss Jesus Jorge also has admirers at the club, if they choose to look abroad.

The Liverpool players are dreading returning from this summer's World Cup to be faced with the same problems and there are no guarantees star players will stay, regardless of Benitez's position.

Worrying for me, not just for the future of Benitez but whether we'll have anyone left after the summer. Transfer Period is gonna be a bleedin nightmare..... :(
If you can't amaze people with your intelligence, try confusing them with your :censored: :)
User avatar
Thewaykokid
 
Posts: 360
Joined: Sun Feb 03, 2008 10:54 am
Location: Sydney

Postby maguskwt » Sun May 02, 2010 2:46 am

Benny The Noon wrote:Just as I thought , well I expect that whoever the next manager is if rafa is to leave gets the same treatment as rafa does if things don't go the way they want - the insults , the digs , the demeaning of any positives and the demanding to be sacked . Off course it will be just be on the forums though.

It's like Real Madrid fans on here sometimes mate... patience is a quality our fans don't have these days... I for one am not impressed at all with our links with O'neill and Rodgsen... but some on here would just prefer to have a new manager they don't care about who we are even linked with. They are still living in a dream land talking about the likes of Mourinho who is not even gonna come here...

All these little digs at rafa every single post on every single thread is what's dragging this forum down... well look at it on the bright side... once rafa is really gone... these little digs will at least stop for a year or two... and only then we will realise... hey we are still in the exact position and are even worse off... we haven't won the league... and the little digs will start again... why go for a change in manager when we know that those who we are being linked with won't be an improvement over Rafa? This is exactly the big mistake Newcastle made before they were eventually relegated... I foresee a downward spiral...
Image
maguskwt
>> LFC Elite Member <<
 
Posts: 8232
Joined: Sun Mar 11, 2007 4:39 pm

Postby Penguins » Sun May 02, 2010 3:11 am

s@int wrote:
bigmick wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:
s@int wrote:
bavlondon wrote:
bigmick wrote:What's the footballing reason for assuming that Rafa will turn it around next season?

Because he will have more money to spend. And because we are unlikely to get in a manager with as good a track record.

But if we get money to spend we can attract a good manager.... can't we?

Yes we can but if we do get new owners who can helps us compete in the transfer Market with the rest then I would like to see what rafa can do being able to get all the players he wants without being restricted by funds .

If you'd like to see what Rafa can do when he can buy "all the players he wants without being restricted by funds" you're supporting the wrong club. Infact you're in the wrong sport.

Even Man City can't buy "all the players" they want, and they aren't restricted by funds. It's cloud cuckoo land, and the sooner people get a grip on reality the sooner we can stop having these daft conersations on here. If the club was sold tomorrow and the new owners said "here you go Rafa lad, there's 200 million quid to buy whoever you want" he would buy some good players no doubt (so would we all). Would he though be able to put them together into a fighting unit which can win titles? Would he feck   :laugh:

They make me laugh mate, they call Chelsea for buying the league, then want Rafa to be allowed to do just the same  :D

Just as outrageous when Mourinho gets soo much credit for it.... :no
Penguins
LFC Super Member
 
Posts: 2597
Joined: Wed Jun 22, 2005 4:25 am

Postby Kharhaz » Sun May 02, 2010 3:14 am

maguskwt wrote:It's like Real Madrid fans on here sometimes mate... patience is a quality our fans don't have these days... I for one am not impressed at all with our links with O'neill and Rodgsen... but some on here would just prefer to have a new manager they don't care about who we are even linked with. They are still living in a dream land talking about the likes of Mourinho who is not even gonna come here...

All these little digs at rafa every single post on every single thread is what's dragging this forum down... well look at it on the bright side... once rafa is really gone... these little digs will at least stop for a year or two... and only then we will realise... hey we are still in the exact position and are even worse off... we haven't won the league... and the little digs will start again... why go for a change in manager when we know that those who we are being linked with won't be an improvement over Rafa? This is exactly the big mistake Newcastle made before they were eventually relegated... I foresee a downward spiral...

Its ignorant comments like these that give you "pro - rafa"  the bad reputation you deserve. Rafa has got us where we are in the league. To compare the constantly changing management to Real Madrid, or indeed to any other club is insulting. To include Newcastle as a comparison should be insulting to your own intelligence. Compare the managers they have gone through compared to us. Compare that to many who didnt want that 5 year contract signed by rafa at the time. But no, lets mock the supporters who will forever put the club first, unlike you who will put rafa first. And this is the direction many of you are going. Is finishing 7th good enough for you? you dont need to answer as clearly it is, if rafa decides on what is best for the club and as long as he is in charge, you dont need to argue. Rafa knows best.

Myself on the other hand, yes, I have been spoiled, I have seen the best of Liverpool. I have seen Dalglish playing and managing, I have seen Aldridge do the same, I have seen Barnes adored by our fans and booed by the england supporters, I have seen Souness as the best midfielder turned into a hated figure. Like many others I have seen a lot. But hell, Rafa is the messiah. Rafa deserves to be given a second chance. Souness had one chance and got kicked out, Houillier had a go, won more than rafa did and well you know what happened.

Rafa for all his hardships against the yanks had more to spend then any other manager previously, he has total control over the club, more than any other manager and every decision come matchday is down to him. But hell, lets classify every person on here as newcomers, Real Madrid supporters,  Patience is a virtue type supporter.

I will speak on behalf of many supporters here and say YOU MY FRIEND ARE CLUELESS,  we swallowed our dissapointment when he signed that new 5 year contract and gave him our full support. Rafa has proved beyond all doubt he is not good for the club, we are worse of now than ever. The constant games he plays with the supporters and the press must surely sink into your psyche that he has matters at hand other than "putting the club first"

Grow up you prat. We have been around a lot longer than you have with your "this one man is bigger than the club" speach.
Bill Shankly: “I was the best manager in Britain because I was never devious or cheated anyone. I’d break my wife’s legs if I played against her, but I’d never cheat her.”
User avatar
Kharhaz
>> LFC Elite Member <<
 
Posts: 6380
Joined: Tue Jan 13, 2004 1:18 am

Postby Penguins » Sun May 02, 2010 3:14 am

Ben Patrick wrote:
mart wrote:
Ben Patrick wrote:The majority still show respect.

I think there is about 3 or 4 people that come on here that have been openly disrespectful, but hardly anyone when you se how many posters there actually are.

It might not be that many but its uninteresting (to say the least) to read this forum when every thread has the same "Rafa sucks" and "Lucas sucks" posts.

if they are not performing its only natural.

I actually think Lucas has done ok this year.
He just shouldnt be a regular starter for Liverpool FC.

If you think Lucas has done ok this year you sure are setting the bar low. He has been lethargically jogging around for 80-90% of the games, got a couple of goals and a couple of assist in, what is it, 40 games?
Penguins
LFC Super Member
 
Posts: 2597
Joined: Wed Jun 22, 2005 4:25 am

Postby Penguins » Sun May 02, 2010 3:20 am

I wonder what it will take for some supporters to hold up their hands and accept that we no longer are a top club with a real chance of fighting for top honours.

2 years with no money? Obviously not..

4 years? Title still demanded? thought so.

10 years and no money? Hmm, not a chance. Sack the manager for not being able to walk on water. I want that title!

20 years? Money is overrated. Look at what Paisley did with almost no money. You can win without it. Just bring back Daglish and everything will be as it was in the good old 80's...

ffs, wake up  :no
Penguins
LFC Super Member
 
Posts: 2597
Joined: Wed Jun 22, 2005 4:25 am

Postby maguskwt » Sun May 02, 2010 3:44 am

Kharhaz wrote:
maguskwt wrote:It's like Real Madrid fans on here sometimes mate... patience is a quality our fans don't have these days... I for one am not impressed at all with our links with O'neill and Rodgsen... but some on here would just prefer to have a new manager they don't care about who we are even linked with. They are still living in a dream land talking about the likes of Mourinho who is not even gonna come here...

All these little digs at rafa every single post on every single thread is what's dragging this forum down... well look at it on the bright side... once rafa is really gone... these little digs will at least stop for a year or two... and only then we will realise... hey we are still in the exact position and are even worse off... we haven't won the league... and the little digs will start again... why go for a change in manager when we know that those who we are being linked with won't be an improvement over Rafa? This is exactly the big mistake Newcastle made before they were eventually relegated... I foresee a downward spiral...

Its ignorant comments like these that give you "pro - rafa"  the bad reputation you deserve. Rafa has got us where we are in the league. To compare the constantly changing management to Real Madrid, or indeed to any other club is insulting. To include Newcastle as a comparison should be insulting to your own intelligence. Compare the managers they have gone through compared to us. Compare that to many who didnt want that 5 year contract signed by rafa at the time. But no, lets mock the supporters who will forever put the club first, unlike you who will put rafa first. And this is the direction many of you are going. Is finishing 7th good enough for you? you dont need to answer as clearly it is, if rafa decides on what is best for the club and as long as he is in charge, you dont need to argue. Rafa knows best.

Myself on the other hand, yes, I have been spoiled, I have seen the best of Liverpool. I have seen Dalglish playing and managing, I have seen Aldridge do the same, I have seen Barnes adored by our fans and booed by the england supporters, I have seen Souness as the best midfielder turned into a hated figure. Like many others I have seen a lot. But hell, Rafa is the messiah. Rafa deserves to be given a second chance. Souness had one chance and got kicked out, Houillier had a go, won more than rafa did and well you know what happened.

Rafa for all his hardships against the yanks had more to spend then any other manager previously, he has total control over the club, more than any other manager and every decision come matchday is down to him. But hell, lets classify every person on here as newcomers, Real Madrid supporters,  Patience is a virtue type supporter.

I will speak on behalf of many supporters here and say YOU MY FRIEND ARE CLUELESS,  we swallowed our dissapointment when he signed that new 5 year contract and gave him our full support. Rafa has proved beyond all doubt he is not good for the club, we are worse of now than ever. The constant games he plays with the supporters and the press must surely sink into your psyche that he has matters at hand other than "putting the club first"

Grow up you prat. We have been around a lot longer than you have with your "this one man is bigger than the club" speach.

:laugh:

This is the funniest post ever... you are accusing me of things I didn't even say with your over-eagerness... when did I ever make that kind of distinction towards our supporters... if you haven't noticed, I said 'on here' meaning this forum and about half of the posters on here who are all demanding the manager to be sacked without offering any solution as to who would be a realistic replacement who can really win the league. Don't make it out to be like I'm criticising or stereotyping our whole support... and dont' make it out to be like I put Rafa in front of the club... *NEWSFLASH* you don't know me Kharhaz and I don't feckin well know you as well... which is why I don't make JUDGMENTAL STATEMENTS OF YOU... I just state my opinion on the symptoms OF THIS FORUM... So may I say that you can save your houlier than thou comments which are petty despicable...

And about the Newcastle comment, what I was comparing it to is a similar mistake which I believe I have the right to compare and not even comparing the supporters... After they have sacked Bobby Robson they just went on a downward sprial... which I believe can be similar to what's happening now. So don't feckin make it out to be like I'm comparing the supporters... In normal circumstances I would demand an apology but I don't even feckin know you so I dont' feckin care...

So tell me you don't like what Rafa has achieved this season (which is fair enough) but do you like the managers we're  being linked with? What if another 5 years down the road we don't win the league yet... and then we realise yeah of course who are we kidding... we are being managed by MO (no disrepect to him but he is not really in the upper echeleons of managers). Why do we demand to change managers when we know that what we are getting is not good enough. you might wanna not comment on that... I understand... unlike some of you anti-rafa's some on here know that we already have a very good manager who we are about to lose... that is all... SO DONT' FECKIN MAKE IT OUT TO BE SOMTHING WHICH ISN'T...
Image
maguskwt
>> LFC Elite Member <<
 
Posts: 8232
Joined: Sun Mar 11, 2007 4:39 pm

Postby Kharhaz » Sun May 02, 2010 3:53 am

It's like Real Madrid fans on here sometimes mate... patience is a quality our fans don't have these days...


THIS.

Liverpool supporters are nothing like Real Madrid supporters. Backtrack all you like, you said it and you are wrong.
Bill Shankly: “I was the best manager in Britain because I was never devious or cheated anyone. I’d break my wife’s legs if I played against her, but I’d never cheat her.”
User avatar
Kharhaz
>> LFC Elite Member <<
 
Posts: 6380
Joined: Tue Jan 13, 2004 1:18 am

Postby maguskwt » Sun May 02, 2010 4:01 am

maguskwt wrote:It's like Real Madrid fans on here sometimes mate... patience is a quality our fans don't have these days... I for one am not impressed at all with our links with O'neill and Rodgsen... but some on here would just prefer to have a new manager they don't care about who we are even linked with. They are still living in a dream land talking about the likes of Mourinho who is not even gonna come here...

All these little digs at rafa every single post on every single thread is what's dragging this forum down... well look at it on the bright side... once rafa is really gone... these little digs will at least stop for a year or two... and only then we will realise... hey we are still in the exact position and are even worse off... we haven't won the league... and the little digs will start again... why go for a change in manager when we know that those who we are being linked with won't be an improvement over Rafa? This is exactly the big mistake Newcastle made before they were eventually relegated... I foresee a downward spiral...

How many times of "on here" and "this forum" do i need to say? Ok fine I should have said "patience is a quality some of our fans" instead of "our fans"... but who the feck knows you're an english teacher marking my essay :laugh:? I DON'T NEED TO BACK TRACK ANYTHING I KNOW WHAT I SAID AND IT'S ALL THERE FOR EVERYONE TO SEE, if you read my post overall properly you can see that as well... thank you very much...  :no now maybe it's you who need an english lesson instead of acting as an english teacher... but then I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt and consider it a mistake on your part because of your over-eagerness...
Image
maguskwt
>> LFC Elite Member <<
 
Posts: 8232
Joined: Sun Mar 11, 2007 4:39 pm

Postby rocky29 » Sun May 02, 2010 4:08 am

am sorry but rafa has had 6 years to build a formidible squad. you can have all the money in china but it comes down to rafas negative tactics. he will never change his style hes to stubborn. we should rebuild our team around aquilani. quick one touch football rafa would never play that style..when we get new owners theres only one man i would trust to get us out of this mess and thats fabio the great capello. like hes done with england he can do for us simple.
rocky29
LFC Super Member
 
Posts: 1289
Joined: Mon Mar 08, 2010 8:34 pm
Location: liverpool

Postby shawnk » Sun May 02, 2010 4:15 am

maguskwt wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:Just as I thought , well I expect that whoever the next manager is if rafa is to leave gets the same treatment as rafa does if things don't go the way they want - the insults , the digs , the demeaning of any positives and the demanding to be sacked . Off course it will be just be on the forums though.

It's like Real Madrid fans on here sometimes mate... patience is a quality our fans don't have these days... I for one am not impressed at all with our links with O'neill and Rodgsen... but some on here would just prefer to have a new manager they don't care about who we are even linked with. They are still living in a dream land talking about the likes of Mourinho who is not even gonna come here...

All these little digs at rafa every single post on every single thread is what's dragging this forum down... well look at it on the bright side... once rafa is really gone... these little digs will at least stop for a year or two... and only then we will realise... hey we are still in the exact position and are even worse off... we haven't won the league... and the little digs will start again... why go for a change in manager when we know that those who we are being linked with won't be an improvement over Rafa? This is exactly the big mistake Newcastle made before they were eventually relegated... I foresee a downward spiral...

How are you so sure?
User avatar
shawnk
 
Posts: 470
Joined: Mon Oct 26, 2009 9:25 am
Location: Malaysia

Postby maguskwt » Sun May 02, 2010 4:17 am

shawnk wrote:
maguskwt wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:Just as I thought , well I expect that whoever the next manager is if rafa is to leave gets the same treatment as rafa does if things don't go the way they want - the insults , the digs , the demeaning of any positives and the demanding to be sacked . Off course it will be just be on the forums though.

It's like Real Madrid fans on here sometimes mate... patience is a quality our fans don't have these days... I for one am not impressed at all with our links with O'neill and Rodgsen... but some on here would just prefer to have a new manager they don't care about who we are even linked with. They are still living in a dream land talking about the likes of Mourinho who is not even gonna come here...

All these little digs at rafa every single post on every single thread is what's dragging this forum down... well look at it on the bright side... once rafa is really gone... these little digs will at least stop for a year or two... and only then we will realise... hey we are still in the exact position and are even worse off... we haven't won the league... and the little digs will start again... why go for a change in manager when we know that those who we are being linked with won't be an improvement over Rafa? This is exactly the big mistake Newcastle made before they were eventually relegated... I foresee a downward spiral...

How are you so sure?

I'm not sure mate... I'm just stating my opinion (I would also like to put a disclaimer that I'm not a fortune teller either)... we do have a right to have opinions, don't we?
Image
maguskwt
>> LFC Elite Member <<
 
Posts: 8232
Joined: Sun Mar 11, 2007 4:39 pm

PreviousNext

Return to Liverpool FC - General Discussion

 


  • Related topics
    Replies
    Views
    Last post

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Bing [Bot] and 47 guests

  • Advertisement
ShopTill-e