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Postby NANNY RED » Fri Mar 21, 2008 10:21 am

It broke my heart reading this it was posted on RAWK by some lad who had been speaking to a Texas Rangers fan about Hicks the lad wrote a letter to Hicks summing up how he felt , I just hope and pray that it all quiet at the moment cause there still doing buissness away from the spotlight.

Sad sad read :no i know this was posted a while back on Rawk and apologises if people have seen it




POSTED BY A LAD ON RAWK:

This is a letter to Tom Hicks from a Texas Rangers fan that I have been speaking to

Why oh why did we sell to these :censored:.............


Liverpool Fan:

I wrote this last year after Tom Hicks bought the Liverpool team. I think it sums up how I feel about what Tom Hicks has done to the team....


Dear Mr. Hicks:

Allow me to introduce myself. I have been a die-hard baseball fan since the day I could walk. When the Rangers built the Ballpark, I snapped up season tickets. Good ones to, Section 30, Row 19, seats 10 & 11. The seats looked right down the 3rd base line. What great times I used to have sitting in those seats. George Bush, used to walk up and down that section shaking hands and signing autographs. He knew how to work the crowd. Guess that is why is he president now. What about the time when Kenny Rogers sat about 10 rows behind me, just before the All-Star game. He talked to everyone around him, and also signed autographs. Remember those great years when we won the division. What a blast it was watching Pudge, Gonzalez, Raffy, and Rusty. A lot of home-grown talent mixed with some excellent coaching from Johnny Oates. I will never forget watching Juan Gonzalez hit a monster home run off the Diamond Club windows in the playoff game against the Yankees. All of those red Rangers jerseys, and the echoing of the chants at the games. Those were the fun days.

I was thrilled when you first bought the team. Imagine having a billionaire own our Texas Rangers. We all thought we were going to win the World Series. And what a splash you originally made. A-Rod was going to be a Ranger! We were going to show the Yankees what the Texas Rangers were made of. You also brought in a top-flight pitcher, Chan Ho Park. Things couldn't have been better. You made these moves despite Doug Melvin publicly telling you that the Rangers needed to retool, and rebuild. You wanted to hear none of it, and fired Mr. Melvin. No worries, because you replaced him with the genius of all baseball, John Hart. He came with some warning signs, but you ignored those.

Hart destroyed the fan base, by ignoring all of the loyal fans. North Texas has over 6 million people living in Dallas/Fort Worth and the surrounding areas. Good years, or bad, we showed up in droves. Why, because the Rangers were fan friendly, and it was a great way to spend an evening. Man, I wish Hart would have never showed up. This went from being a baseball team, to a business concerned about the bottom-line. Texans are full of pride, and Mr. Hart and yourself did everything conceivable to destroy this pride. Selling the naming rights to a California business of all things? You had to be greedy and go with the highest bidder, rather than a local company. Radio Shack, Dell, American Airlines, Alcon, Bombay, Pier 1, Nortel, etc... We would have been fine with any of these companies. But for an extra quarter million a year, you sold out the fans. That hurt, and we started bad-mouthing the ownership, but we kept showing up at the games. Then Hart decided that Rangers fest was a waste of time and canceled those gatherings. I enjoyed listening to the Rangers players at those, and feeling like I was part of the team. Hey, I was spending almost $8,000 a year on tickets, couldn't I have a way to connect with the team? You were still spending money, so we went from loving you, to being able to put up with you. That was until the wheels fell off. You traded A-Rod. How embarrassing it must be that you are still writing $8 million checks to him every year. Then you :censored: off Nolan Ryan so bad that he quit being an ambassador to the Rangers, and signed a contract with the Astros. Then I noticed you started showing up to the game in a private helicopter, only to take a tunnel under the stadium to get to your seats. You would leave your seats and go through the Rangers dugout any time you needed to get up. Remember me telling you that previous owners would get up and shake hands with the fan base around them. Not you anymore. You would wear your white golf shirt and get annoyed when a kid tapped you on the shoulder for an autograph. Over time, the security personal wouldn't even let anyone within 2 rows of you.

At the same time you were burning bridges with a terrific fan base, a new owner showed up in town. Marc Cuban, was making local sports fun again. Talk about fan-friendly, this guy was the man. He loved the crowds, and connecting with everyone around him. He brought in smart management, marketing guros, and did everything he could to make watching a basketball game the best entertainment package possible. Cuban was savvy enough to know that people how a ton of options on how they can spend their money. So guess what, I dumped my Rangers season tickets and bought Maverick season tickets. It hurt at first, but what a great time I have had going to those games over the years. The energy of the crowd, the playoff games, watching the owner get so passionate. Those tickets, and the memories from them, have been priceless.

Mr. Hicks, it is time you start paying attention to what you are doing. We have one of the worst payrolls in baseball. You have gone cheap on just about everything, and keep raising the prices of parking, beer, and hot dogs. You are on record of saying if the fans return, you will start spending again. I have news for you Mr. Hicks, the fans are gone. You have no one to blame but yourself. I was at the Red Sox game last night, and was astonished to see how few people were in the crowd. Not too long ago, it was hard to even get tickets to a Ranger/Red Sox game. Last night I bet only 28,000 people were actually in attendance, and most of those were Red Sox fans. Before you destroyed this team, 28,000 people would have showed up to watch the Royals.

You made a comment earlier this week, that will stick with me for a while. You talked about your new soccer team, and all of the passion that their fans showed. You wished that the fans at your American owned teams shared that same passion. I want you to do me a favor, and have someone pull out some of game tapes of the Ballpark fans from the mid-90's. You will find that we all showed up in red, and we were loud and passionate. Then pull out a tape from when you first bought the Dallas Stars. You will find that same energy from the fans as well. You are the one was sapped that energy from us, and you have a lot of work ahead of you to make it come back.

I left the Ballpark for the last time last night, and drove past the new stadium the Cowboys were building. I started talking to the guests I took to the Ranger game about buying season tickets for the Cowboys when the new stadium opens up. You had my money Mr. Hicks, but now it is going elsewhere. I will still keep my Ranger memorabilia displayed in my game room to remind me of all the good times I used to have at the Ballpark. Until you do something to change my mind, those memories will be the only connection I have to the Rangers. Hopefully those memories will not fade into oblivion.

Take care Mr. Hicks, and I wish you the best of luck. You are a smart man, but you have a lot of work ahead of you. It will be interesting to see how you handle yourself. Enjoy the trips to Europe to watch you new team. Take a ton of pictures of all of their fans. Sometime soon I have a feeling that a European reporter will be reminding you of the comments you made last week, and asking what happened. Take a good look in the mirror before you answer.
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Postby Reg » Fri Mar 21, 2008 1:38 pm

Nanny with the ever weakening dollar and credit squeeze coming from the US, the more likely it is our Uber- :censored: will have to quietly walk away. Transfer prices havent come down, in fact LFC's requirement to buy better quality, more expensive players means it is actually increasing, as are the needs of the stadium when viewed as USD$. Its not sustainable and Uber-W's will have to decide whether to support their USD$ based businesses (the baseball team of the poor lad above) or the offshore businesses that become more expensive every day.

DIC remain unharmed by the current credit squeeze as they enjoy $110 dollar a barrel oil. Hopefully its just a matter of time - hence the recent silence as DIC sit back and watch the financial crisis worsen then they'll slip Hicks a fiver and tell him to :censored: off.

Time is not on Hick's side, he is slowly drowning. Gillett would have sold one month ago and saved himself a ot of money so he's not going to be too chuffed either by Hick's stubbornness. Lets hope the above fan's sake he has to sell off some of his other franchises as well.
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Postby Dundalk » Sat Mar 22, 2008 11:09 am

GIVEN the amount of speculation doing the rounds, it was always going to be only a matter of time before the bookies offered odds on who Liverpool's owners will be in the future.

Paddy Power is the first to spot the gap in the market with a series of special bets now available for anyone who fancies a punt on whether Tom Hicks and George Gillett will still be in charge or DIC will see them off.

The odds on Hicks leaving Liverpool are: 2/1 Before the end of the season

9/4 During the summer

9/2 During the start of next season and the end of 2008

5/1 Between the start of 2009 and the end of the 2008/09 season

Liverpool are also 13/2 to win the Premiership in 2009 under DIC and it is 6/1 for them to break the world transfer record under DIC in 2008/09.

Paddy Power spokesman Darren Haines said: "We have had a lot of interest from our customers in the onwership situation at Liverpool so in response to this demand we have decided to open a book.

"Our hunch is that Hicks will eventually quit Liverpool and the only question is when, so the book reflects that."

No doubt, Paddy Power will be refusing any large wagers from backers in Texas and Dubai.
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Postby JoeTerp » Sat Mar 22, 2008 5:23 pm

none of those odds are really favorable for a wager in my opinion its too tricky
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Postby god_bless_john_houlding » Sun Mar 23, 2008 7:25 pm

I was thinking about the new stadium earlier today and those who have been complaining for a new stadium, let me just point this out. The clubs in the last 15 years who've got a new stadium in the last 15 years or so, have failed to succeed.

Bolton, Sunderland, Derby, Coventry, Wigan, Southampton and probably one or two more haven't been blessed with success at the top level because a new stadium reduces the amount of money you have for transfers, which apparently is one reason why we can't compete right now because we don't have the money to spend on transfers. A new stadium, which looks unlikely for the forseeable future anyway, but it might be best to wait until we have the finished squad before thinking of a new ground.
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Postby Bammo » Sun Mar 23, 2008 8:36 pm

god_bless_john_houlding wrote:Bolton, Sunderland, Derby, Coventry, Wigan, Southampton and probably one or two more haven't been blessed with success at the top level

They didn't have success before either. What is noticable is that the majority of clubs who build new stadiums improve their positions. Yes, it costs money but in the long run improved gate revenue means more transfer money to spend.
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Postby Thingy » Sun Mar 23, 2008 10:58 pm

Arsenal have improved this year a hell of alot, not to mention off the field too with record turnovers.
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Postby NANNY RED » Sun Mar 23, 2008 11:04 pm

god_bless_john_houlding wrote:I was thinking about the new stadium earlier today and those who have been complaining for a new stadium, let me just point this out. The clubs in the last 15 years who've got a new stadium in the last 15 years or so, have failed to succeed.

Bolton, Sunderland, Derby, Coventry, Wigan, Southampton and probably one or two more haven't been blessed with success at the top level because a new stadium reduces the amount of money you have for transfers, which apparently is one reason why we can't compete right now because we don't have the money to spend on transfers. A new stadium, which looks unlikely for the forseeable future anyway, but it might be best to wait until we have the finished squad before thinking of a new ground.

But they were :censored: even before they built there new stadiums :laugh: The day a shovel gets dug in theground at Stanley Park is the day i win the Lottery which will be never
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Postby god_bless_john_houlding » Sun Mar 23, 2008 11:10 pm

those clubs might not have had success before hand, but Southampton (as example) hadn't been relegated in 27 years at The Dell, they build St Mary's and go down.

I know it creates revenue, but it takes time and stops you spending 50 million each season because most money goes on repaying the debt of the new stadium. Arsenal have improved, but can't afford spend to big, that's why it's crucial they win something this season. They had to sell Henry because they couldn't keep him and pay for the new stadium. Plus Arsenal have their ground sponsored by Fly Emerits, who help pay off the stadium, like Bolton and Rebok.

I just think, we have to get right set of players before we start thinking of a new stadium again.
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Postby maguskwt » Mon Mar 24, 2008 4:29 am

god_bless_john_houlding wrote:those clubs might not have had success before hand, but Southampton (as example) hadn't been relegated in 27 years at The Dell, they build St Mary's and go down.

I know it creates revenue, but it takes time and stops you spending 50 million each season because most money goes on repaying the debt of the new stadium. Arsenal have improved, but can't afford spend to big, that's why it's crucial they win something this season. They had to sell Henry because they couldn't keep him and pay for the new stadium. Plus Arsenal have their ground sponsored by Fly Emerits, who help pay off the stadium, like Bolton and Rebok.

I just think, we have to get right set of players before we start thinking of a new stadium again.

I agree with you on this one gbjh...  :D
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Postby sheikhmomo » Tue Mar 25, 2008 1:27 am

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/dic-to-seal-163400m-deal-for-liverpool-in-three-to-four-weeks-800255.html

The Independent

DIC to seal £400m deal for Liverpool in 'three to four weeks'

By Jason Burt and Ian Herbert
Tuesday, 25 March 2008


The long pursuit of Liverpool by Dubai International Capital is set to end within the next "three to four weeks" with the investment group taking full control of the Premier League club, according to a source close to the proposed deal.


DIC is understood to be confident that it will finally buy the club for £400m – and is looking to involve a "third party" investor, who would take a minority stake, as part of its business plan. The company is believed to already have an agreement in place with the club's co-owner George Gillett Jnr to buy his share. It is also confident that Tom Hicks, who owns the other 50 per cent, is now close to agreeing to sell to them even though he cut off negotiations earlier this month insisting he would not sell even a minority stake. Hicks also said he would block any attempt by Gillett to sell.

Although DIC, which is the private equity investment arm of the Dubai government, realises it is paying a high price for Liverpool – Gillett and Hicks bought the club for £219m 13 months ago – such is its determination to succeed that it wants to push ahead. "It's not a cheap deal and Hicks is holding out but there is confidence that it will now finally happen," a source said. Matters have not been helped by the strained relationship between the two Americans.

DIC, whose chief executive Sameer Al-Ansari is a life-long fan of the club and who will join the board, has ambitious plans which could include involving some of its other investment vehicles in an attempt to raise its profile. The hotel group Jumeirah could be used as part of the development of a new stadium. A wide-ranging review of the club, and its revenue streams, will be conducted.

DIC came close to buying Liverpool before the Americans' acquisition and has tried to resume negotiations, on and off, ever since. The reason for the apparent confidence now could be that several of Hicks' loans are due for refinancing within two or three months. This may be the trigger for his main lender – believed to be JP Morgan – to force him back into talks with DIC and accept its offer for Liverpool.

The full level of the Texan's debt is unclear. But DIC sources believe he has been hit badly by the state of the financial markets in the United States, which has seen the value of assets which he has borrowed heavily against drop – in some cases by between 30 and 50 per cent. Were Hicks unable to refinance loans when, at a time of severe anxiety among financial institutions, they are due, JP Morgan could take over the assets Hicks has borrowed against or force a sale. Since bankers would tend to sell on such assets anyway the presence of a prospective buyer like DIC would be attractive to them.

Given how far apart DIC and Hicks seem to be, it would appear that any chance of the Arab consortium having a future role at Anfield would be through a complete takeover, with or without a junior partner.
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Postby sheikhmomo » Tue Mar 25, 2008 1:27 am

And so it begins again...
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Postby god_bless_john_houlding » Tue Mar 25, 2008 1:29 am

maguskwt wrote:
god_bless_john_houlding wrote:those clubs might not have had success before hand, but Southampton (as example) hadn't been relegated in 27 years at The Dell, they build St Mary's and go down.

I know it creates revenue, but it takes time and stops you spending 50 million each season because most money goes on repaying the debt of the new stadium. Arsenal have improved, but can't afford spend to big, that's why it's crucial they win something this season. They had to sell Henry because they couldn't keep him and pay for the new stadium. Plus Arsenal have their ground sponsored by Fly Emerits, who help pay off the stadium, like Bolton and Rebok.

I just think, we have to get right set of players before we start thinking of a new stadium again.

I agree with you on this one gbjh...  :D

there's hope for me yet  :laugh:
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Postby NANNY RED » Tue Mar 25, 2008 1:31 am

Oh just when id calmed down i think of them two :censored: again if there is a god up there please let it happen this time
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Postby sheikhmomo » Tue Mar 25, 2008 1:38 am

jesus just imagine what the ground will look like with the Jumeirah Group building the stadium!! Just in case anyone wants to know they are responsible for building the Burj Al Arab Hotel, a link is provided below if you want to see it (you'll probably instantly recognise it).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burj_Al_Arab
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