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[Kharhaz]

Ive just found his article. [url=http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/opinion/blogs/fans-blog/premier-league/liverpool/Why-i-real-i-Liverpool-fans-won-t-desert-the-troubled-ship-like-the-glory-hunters-calling-

for-Rafa-s-head-article264793.html]Clicky.[/url]

I like his reply to one poster:

Scousers v Wools? My my, what a blinkered view you have staygold. Also, I think you'll find it's called the Spirit of Shankly. Maybe you should do some research into who they are and what they stand for before casting stereotypical aspersions.

He talks about the past with Bill Shankly, but Spirit of Shankly were also called Sons of Shankly. Not so much a kid, very much a prat.

[maypaxvobiscum]

I like this lad 

Why real Liverpool fans won't desert the troubled ship like the glory hunters calling for Rafa's head

By Richard Buxton in Liverpool Fans Blog
Published 18:58 20/12/09

  Oh dear.

Real fans can see the bigger picture. They know that staying within reach of Birmingham and Fulham is a massive achievement, and is fully deserving of an open topped bus parade at the end of the season.

 

its kinda hard to blur the lines between pros and antis when we have articles claiming the pros are real fans while the antis are glory hunters creeping all around.

[J*o*n*D*o*e]

some of you just dont get it and i doubt you ever will.

[lakes10]

I like this lad 

Why real Liverpool fans won't desert the troubled ship like the glory hunters calling for Rafa's head

By Richard Buxton in Liverpool Fans Blog
Published 18:58 20/12/09

  Oh dear.

Real fans can see the bigger picture. They know that staying within reach of Birmingham and Fulham is a massive achievement, and is fully deserving of an open topped bus parade at the end of the season.

 

its kinda hard to blur the lines between pros and antis when we have articles claiming the pros are real fans while the antis are glory hunters creeping all around.

some fans have been like that for years, when i had my season ticket  for the Kop i was once told by a few fans from Liverpool that i should give it up as i lived in Essex and that i was not a real fan.

that was not the onlt time something like that happend to me, i was only young when i started coming up to liverpool for games on my own or with friend (15 i think).

[lakes10]

You see Fernando is thinking like me:D Hes alrite that Fernando lad

Does that sound like Rafa has lost the dressing room. An ill tell you something else, After the Lyon game Fernando kicked off on Voronin , saw him laughing an joking on his phone an went into one on him,

Were is Voronin now eh

er yes it sounds 100% like Rafa has lost the dressing room and you have one player trying to fix it for him.

[Owzat]

Real LIVERPOOL fans support the club not the manager, plenty of other clubs' fans want rid of a manager when they see he is taking the club the wrong way. If spudz hadn't got shot of Ramos then they might have escaped, but I doubt they regret a change of manager. Other clubs have gone even further and down, Boro sticking with unqualified Southgate until it was too late. On the flip side, there's the obsession the geordies had with Shearer that seriously clouded their judgement and any hope of saving them was given to the wrong man. They've given it to Hughton who may not be the 'right man', but he is taking them in the right direction. That's all you can judge a manager on, results and the direction the club is going. That Rafa is in with a chance of having the worst first 19 games start to a Premiership season of ANY Liverpool manager says it all and how bad it is. He might escape criticism if it was bad, but not when it's so bad we're losing as many games as we're winning - and losing to the bottom side.

What has Rafa achieved that Houllier and Evans before him didn't? A Champions League win? Well that was rather helped by the Champions League being extended to FOUR clubs from the top leagues, if it had been top three then Rafa wouldn't have had Istanbul on his CV. So the goalposts in Europe have moved since previous managers. Domestically he has finished 2nd, probably aided by CL cash, but even so that is what Houllier has managed previously as well - Evans only missing out on the same record of one 2nd place on goal difference. All three are/were fairly secure top five finishers, managers and players come and go, won't stop real Liverpool fans supporting the CLUB. Rafa's had his chance, he's a fair way down the line of having blown it. There is now a serious danger that Citeh will get it right, they didn't stick with their manager for which the club is getting stick - some of it justified. They acted swiftly to correct what they identified as a poor performance given the means to hand, while we continue to fall behind in the race for FOURTH and some just go on about the supporters.

It's not us causing the problems on and off the pitch, the manager has had 20+ games of this season to sort it and neither his squad nor his tactics/managerial ability has changed the direction we're heading. It might not even be so bad if we were still in the Champions League, but cups is where the problem has been so badly exposed - not scoring more than one goal in any game in Europe or the League Cup this season. This is his squad, some will go on about money, but the bottom line is he's spent money extravagantly and most of his buys are no better than what we had before. Maybe Torres will stick by the manager, I would prefer he pledged allegiance to the club, but a few players must be thinking about a move elsewhere. They're not scousers, doesn't matter if the fans are or not. The "real Liverpool fans" will stick with the club, the players aren't English so may well be as happy at Real Madrid, Barcelona, Inter or Juventus. This season Arbeloa and Alonso jumped ship, who will be next? It won't be the trophies flooding in that keeps the players at the club, that is for sure, so it has to be something pretty special and I can't believe they all have blinkered faith in the manager, they can't like losing as often as they win

[lakes10]

I find it very strange that some fans Sick by Rafa 100%, dont get me wrong i understand some female fans have other resons why they would like him to stay as our manager (based on a chat i had with 5 of them the other day)
It seem even if Rafa never won a game ever again they would still stick by him.
Rafa has been given a vey good shot at getting it right, we hear a lot that he has not had the money over the years to bring the best players to the club....we all know that is not right, the amount of money that Rafa has been given over the years is silly and he has spent some of it on silly players that have done nothing or are never going to make it into the team.

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RED WATCH: Sacking Rafa may be cheapest option
Dec 23 2009 Liverpool Daily Post

”A RETURN of two wins in 11 Premier League games is clearly not in line with the targets that were agreed and set… the board felt that there was no evidence that the situation would fundamentally change”.

Anyone catching this statement out of context on Saturday night might be forgiven for assuming that it was Rafa Benitez who was hitting the streets rather than Mark Hughes, notwithstanding that our manager’s record boasts one win more in that period. Regardless of the financial implications of terminating his contract less than a year into a five-year deal, our ‘non-domiciled’ owners must have been sorely tempted to call time on the Rafalution after the debacle at Portsmouth.

Had they been at the match, or even worse at the post-match press conference where the manager’s petulant and puerile behaviour brought dishonour to both himself and the club, they might well have pulled the trigger there and then.

Both on and off the pitch, Liverpool were exposed to a level of ridicule which is quite simply unacceptable.

Quite how we’ve gone from Premier League hopefuls to mid-table mediocrity in such a short space of time defies belief.

None of the usual culprits trotted out can fully explain the rapidity of the decline, be it the loss of Alonso, injuries, beach balls or just plain bad luck.

Those fans who seek to blame all the club’s ills on the owners are deluding themselves as surely as Rafa with his ‘guarantee’ that we’ll finish in the top four.

The level of investment in the summer may well have been insufficient to challenge Chelsea and Manchester United, but was surely enough to see off Birmingham and Fulham, between whom we’re currently sandwiched in the table?

After five years in charge, the manager should be able to put out a reserve side that is too good for Portsmouth in their current state.

Like many others, I can’t see any sign of them turning this round.
This no longer looks like a blip, a brief unfortunate interruption in an otherwise upward curve; this is a sustained decline, an almost complete collapse of confidence exposing, it would seem, fundamental weaknesses in players we previously thought capable of forming a title-winning side.

It feels almost pointless to pick on individual players, such is the breadth of disarray; promising youngsters like Insua, who would surely have been mercifully rested by now were not the alternatives Dossena and Aurelio, are in danger of being scarred for life by this experience.

And when Daniel Agger starts to look like a startled deer, and Dirk Kuyt’s work rate drops, then you have to wonder whether the malaise is terminal, and can only be cured by some form of radical surgery.

So should it be the guts of the side that are ripped out, or the head of the manager that should fall?

What is certain is that something has to change, and change quickly. I’ve always believed that the impact of the manager can be judged by whether the team performs either greater than, or less than, the sum of its parts.

The triumph in Istanbul was a fine example of the former; now we’re seeing the damaging effects of the latter.

Whether it’s a change of personnel, formation or tactics, Rafa has to restore some sort of order and get the players to believe in him and themselves once more; otherwise our owners may well decide soon that the cost of sacking Benitez might be cheaper than continuing to employ him.
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Yeah " REALFANS "  while the rest of us want a successful club the "real fans" are happy supporting a manager that has managed to drag us down to our lowest point since Souness left. Maybe those same "real fans" would prefer it if we had stayed loyal to Souness too

Maybe its time for a bit of "GLORY HUNTING", because I for one am sick of promises of "next season" and failure and would like a nice cup or two to go along with all the promises.

What I don't understand is why the feck are these "Glory Hunters " following Liverpool anyway? There's not been much "glory" around for going on for four years now!

Maybe its time that these "TRUE FANS" found another club that is happy with failure, and left Liverpool to the fans brought up on the fact that first is first and second is nowhere! "Here we go gathering cups in May", as now become as redundant as these "real fans" and their low expectations and Uriah Heep complex.

Feckin get in there my son! 

[Thinkpad]

How "real" are the REAL-FANS are anyway? Why would they want to segregate fellow supporters of the same club? What can they possibily achieve by writing divisive articles after articles calling non-local supporters or supporters that call for changes as glory hunters? This is just wrong.. It reminds me of WW2 where Hitler starts segregating fellow Germans into pure blood and the sinners. Is Liverpool heading to that direction? Are the real fans resentful? Why the REAL-FANS choose to be a hate filled, self-centered and devoid of reasoning persona beggers belief... Maybe someone from the REAL-FANS clique can fill us in.. No?

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[bigmick]

Bizarrely though, some of those "real fans" openly talk about finding it difficult to support the club if such and such was the manager. I'd support the club and the team regardless of who is the manager. As I've said many times, as Rafa is currently the manager I hope he miraculously turns it around and we win something. I couldn't give a feck about humble pie, bring it on.

If they got rid of Rafa and gave the job to Steve McLaren (please God no) I'd support the club, the team, and him. What I wouldn't do though, is cease to have an opinion purely on the grounds that such and such is the Liverpool manager. If whoever is the manager outspends manchester United and arsenal yet can't get us above Birmingham, I'd be on his case. I'd say exactly the same thing whoever was in charge.

[Boocity]

I take serious offence at being labelled a glory hunter because I am not pro Rafa and that only 'real' fans support him. I was born and grew up in the city, I have supported them all my life. Was I a die hard Kopite? no not really, I was more Annie Road (we considered the Kop full of woolybacks) in those days.

I want what is the best interests of Liverpool FC and at present we are in bad situation and I cannot see the manager turning it around, we need a change. Does this make me a plastic fan or a gloryhunter. No I am a 'real' fan who is hurting at what is happening at the club I love.

Remember, no one individual is bigger than LFC, managers & players come and go but Liverpool FC is eternal.

[bigmick]

I take serious offence at being labelled a glory hunter because I am not pro Rafa and that only 'real' fans support him.

You will take great offence for a while mate but you'll get used to it. It is really annoying for the first year or so though I must admit.

[maypaxvobiscum]

this throws the "no man is bigger then the club" ideology out of the window.