RYAN BABEL to join Hoffenheim

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Postby Ben Patrick » Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:34 am

Babel is fast becoming Rafa's Diouf.

Shocking comments that, blatantly saying that he is looking out for himself when he plays.

Anyone who has seen him play can see that but to just come out and say it is disgraceful.

Agree with John though, dont give him a loan move just so he can sort his world cup place out, if we dont get a fee he rots in the ressies.

Simple as that.
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Postby made in UK » Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:40 am

I still want to stay at Liverpool. I just have the feeling, for many people, I still have to prove myself.



:Oo: He thinks he's proved himself. Bloke needs a shrink.
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Postby Sabre » Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:47 am

“Dirk Kuyt? I don't really hang out with him. Dirk got accepted in the group of the Spanish-speaking players. He is very friendly with them and it looks as if he understands their jokes.”


Ryan Babel. El gilipollas. :angry:
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Postby Ciggy » Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:48 am

Sabre wrote:
“Dirk Kuyt? I don't really hang out with him. Dirk got accepted in the group of the Spanish-speaking players. He is very friendly with them and it looks as if he understands their jokes.”


Ryan Babel. El gilipollas. :angry:

This is a weird statement cause I always thought he got along great with derek.
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Postby stmichael » Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:12 pm

i'll drive him to the airport in january
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Postby Benny The Noon » Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:46 pm

heimdall wrote:
bavlondon wrote:
SouthCoastShankly wrote:Regardless of personal opinion towards Ryan Babel. It has become very apparent that Rafa is slowly losing the dressing room. Maybe he is cracking under the pressure?

If he is then the question is, can he regain it? If not then this is surley only heading to one thing.

I think when you look at Carra and Stevie they look p1ssed off and a lot of that frustration is at Rafa, it's just a hunch and I could well be wrong but I really do think he is loosing the dressing room fast, just like SouthCoast says.

Does every thread have to become a rafa bashing thread




As for babel - get rid - the guy is a disgrace with that article.
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Postby Waldo » Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:46 pm

What an absolute pleb of a man. I think he probably would have left in January but he has just confirmed this with these comments. I only hope we can recoup some decent cash for him in January but can't see us getting anywhere near what we paid out for him!!
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Postby Benny The Noon » Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:58 pm

Response from Rory Smith from Telegraph

I have shown I can do it plenty of times. I know I could be further in my career but if nobody helps you, if they don’t make it easier for you then it is difficult.”

Ryan Babel is clearly not one for introspection. Another day, another set of quotes attributed to the Dutch forward criticising his manager, his team-mates, cruel fate and whoever else springs to mind as he expresses his dissatisfaction with life on Anfield’s periphery. He wants to “discuss his future” in January, wants to know where he stands, wants to ask what the future holds. The problem is he will direct those questions at Rafael Benitez, when only the player himself can provide the answers.

When Benitez pipped Arsene Wenger to Babel’s signature in 2007, he was one of the most coveted players in Europe. He had rocketed to prominence in Holland, the latest model from the Ajax production line of talent, and starred at that year’s European under-21 championship. He had power and pace to burn, a right foot like a traction engine (thanks, Alan Partridge), and the technical ability for which the Dutch are famed. He could play on either flank or through the middle. He was, in a raw, base form, the complete modern forward, a Thierry Henry for the second decade of the 21st century. He was £11 million of promise, a coup for Benitez in those heady days when Fernando Torres and Yossi Benayoun also arrived, proof of what the money provided by Tom Hicks and George Gillett could turn Liverpool into: a place more tempting for colts than Arsenal, a team packed with the pick of Europe’s bright young things. And Yossi Benayoun, but more on that later.

Yet when he departs Melwood, Liverpool’s training base, for the last time in January, as now seems certain, few of those who regularly visit Anfield will miss him. He has become the Kop’s bete noire, his cameos from the bench soundtracked by groans and complaint, rather than accompanied by a tingle of electricity. One colleague remarked to me last season that he looked like “he’d borrowed someone else’s legs”. The £6 million or so Liverpool would pocket from his sale – or even the space on the wage bill freed up by a loan move back to Ajax – is of more use to a club with a paper-thin squad than a full Dutch international, so sour has that 2007 dream turned. Liverpool need the money, and they literally cannot afford to carry passengers. Even promise is not enough, not if it’s as fleeting, as occasional, as Babel’s.

To Babel, of course, this is because Benitez has never trusted him, despite his hugely exciting first season – his goal against Derby, shimmying effortlessly to hoodwink two defenders, then firing past a stranded Stephen Bywater, won him the hearts of the Kop, who know a thing or two about potential – and the glimpses of his ability since then, most recently with that thunderous strike against Lyon. His team-mates do not pass to him, do not like him, the Hispanophone players sticking together off the field, at a club split into cliques. It is everyone else’s fault.

Yet consider the example of one of Babel’s confidantes, and the man who was unveiled alongside him on a balmy July day two years ago. Benayoun’s signing was greeted with dismay by Liverpool’s fans, unconvinced that a West Ham squad man was fit to wear their number 15 shirt, let alone the 11 of Steve McMahon, Ian Callaghan, Jamie Redknapp (fine midfielder, truly, indescribably awful pundit) and, er, Vladimir Smicer he started off in. For 18 months, Benitez seemed to agree, allowing him only the briefest of cameos from the bench, and every so often, the quotes would appear, Benayoun cutting the disillusioned, dejected figure Babel does now.

But Benayoun learned. It’s hard to say when he learned, or even what he learned, but it all changed in the Bernabeu in February, the smallest man on the field leaping highest and, with one glance of his slightly jaundiced head, revitalising Liverpool’s season. Since that game, he has been Liverpool’s best player, bar none, for nine months. Benayoun cost £5.5 million. He was the junior partner when he and Babel signed. Now he is worth £20 million, at least. Along with Pepe Reina, Daniel Agger, Jamie Carragher, Glen Johnson, Javier Mascherano, Steven Gerrard and Fernando Torres, he is part of Liverpool’s core. He is, possibly, the best schemer, as they used to be called, in English football today.

Maybe because Benayoun grew up playing on the streets of Dimona, in Israel’s Negev desert, while Babel was cosseted and feted as a star in Ajax’s youth academy their attitudes to hard work, to diligence and patience are different. Babel can blame his coach for being “cold” all he likes, but Benayoun’s experience shows that any player, regardless of reputation, can win Benitez’s absolute trust. The reason Babel has not is not Benitez, or Liverpool’s factionalism, it is Babel. He has not proved to his coach he is worthy on the training field or, probably more importantly, on the pitch.

His glimpses of brilliance – always the same, too: cut inside, shoot, score – are not enough to counteract the effects of dozens of appearances, as substitute and starter, when he does nothing but lose the ball and run down blind alleys, greeted with groans yet again from Anfield’s wailing wall. They used to be like that with Benayoun, too. But when he leaves, as they all do, a tear or two may even be shed, maybe a star of David unveiled on the Kop, a symbol of Ajax as well as Israel. There will be no such pomp and circumstance, no thanks for the memories, for Babel.
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Postby heimdall » Tue Nov 24, 2009 1:01 pm

s@int wrote:Shocking attitude both on and off the pitch...... get rid now

I'm a bit confused what is so shocking about it, I don't really see anything wrong with that interview. I'll agree that he is not good enough and needs to work harder but when you have had a manager you don't get on with, how well have you worked? I know that in those cicumstances I have not been at my best.
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Postby Benny The Noon » Tue Nov 24, 2009 1:02 pm

He is basically slating his teammates and slating his manager - that is shocking and once again something you dont accept from Liverpool players while at the club .
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Postby heimdall » Tue Nov 24, 2009 1:07 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:He is basically slating his teammates and slating his manager - that is shocking and once again something you dont accept from Liverpool players while at the club .

Well obviously I have no problem with him slating the manager but I don't see where he is slating the players, he is saying that some of them are selfish in front of goal, I kind of think he has a point, of course he is fairly selfish himself but when he scores screamers like he did recently then I don't mind that so much.

He is correct that worse players get picked before him though.
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Postby Benny The Noon » Tue Nov 24, 2009 1:10 pm

You dont slate the manager and players in public - not at liverpool -it goes against everything we believe in . the fact you dont mind him slating the manager in public speaks volumes .

He is accusing the players of forming cliques and basically slating Kuyt and the spanish players .

The guy doesnt deserve to play as he has continuely let us down time and time again and sat his attitude was a disgrace - he maybe more talented than other players but they show heart and desire to play for the club - Babel doesnt .
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Postby red_guy » Tue Nov 24, 2009 1:15 pm

Attack on the manager - Normal thing for an unhappy player.  Attack on team mates? well,as i remember,   bellamy did hit riise with a golf club but , at least he never told  a single bad thing to the media about ginger. Slagging your team mates because you're not good enough? calling them selfish because you're sh1t?? feck off babel...what a :censored:.
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Postby account deleted by request » Tue Nov 24, 2009 1:19 pm

No player should put himself before the team Heimdall. Strikers need to be selfish, but for the good of the team not just because they are feeling hard done by.

If he had shown a bit more effort, looked like he was trying to impress and that he actually cared about his performances I would be a little more understanding. As it is he looks like he couldn't care less, has no bottle and would rather moan to the press than get his head down and work to force his way into the team.

I DON'T DOUBT HE HAS ABILITY, I do doubt that he has the heart, brains or application required to ever "prove himself".
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Postby parchpea » Tue Nov 24, 2009 1:24 pm

Thing is how much of it is sour grapes or truth about the situation about the scenes at Anfield. I dont doubt Babel has put in his transfer request via a newspaper, and that is not the way to go, however the lad may just be putting a few home truths out there for us all to ponder.
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