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[maguskwt]

Chelsea use this 'flawed' formation you just mentioned against every team and rape almost everyone. But then they have the right personnel to do the job.

They definitely don't... their 4-3-3 is with ONE defensive midfielder... Essien or Mikel. We can also play like their 4-3-3, provided that our defensive midfielder Poulsen is good enough... it would be like this

Johnson    Carra      Agger   Aurelio/Konchesky

                       Poulsen

            Gerrard             Meiriless
     Kuyt                                 Cole
                        Torres

[matt_liverpool]

Chelsea use this 'flawed' formation you just mentioned against every team and rape almost everyone. But then they have the right personnel to do the job.

They definitely don't... their 4-3-3 is with ONE defensive midfielder... Essien or Mikel. We can also play like their 4-3-3, provided that our defensive midfielder Poulsen is good enough... it would be like this

Johnson    Carra      Agger   Aurelio/Konchesky

                       Poulsen

            Gerrard             Meiriless
     Kuyt                                 Cole
                        Torres

They DEFINITELY DO. They switch between 4-3-2-1 and 4-3-1-2. But very rarely play 4-3-3. Check all their formations from last season and first 3 matches of this season. Only difference with the 'flawed' formation you just mentioned above is sometimes instead of 2 DMs, they play 1 DM and 2 CMs.

[maguskwt]

Whatever  I don't wanna waste anymore energy arguing with you about Chelsea ... Let's just say God help us all if Roy uses Ben's formation... 

[matt_liverpool]

Whatever    I don't wanna waste anymore energy arguing with you about Chelsea ... Let's just say God help us all if Roy uses Ben's formation... 

I ain't saying Roy should use Ben's formation. And you are certainly wasting your energy because your statistics book ain't updated. 

In fact I'd never to like see use that formation which in some exceptional cases like Chelsea is obviously flawed. 

[maguskwt]

Whatever  God help us all if Roy uses Ben's formation... 

I ain't saying Roy should use Ben's formation. And you are certainly wasting your energy because your statistics book ain't updated. 

In fact I'd never to like see use that formation which in some exceptional cases like Chelsea is obviously flawed. 

your favourite 4-3-2-1 formation that Chelsea uses is with ONE defensive midfielder, numpty. And it is essentially a 4-3-3 formation. It's like arguing 4-2-3-1 and 4-5-1. Try to read my post carefully next time... I never said Chelsea's formation was flawed... I said Ben's formation was flawed... and provided a formation similar to the one used by Chelsea... you on the other hand is just talking bollox...

[matt_liverpool]

Whatever  God help us all if Roy uses Ben's formation... 

I ain't saying Roy should use Ben's formation. And you are certainly wasting your energy because your statistics book ain't updated.

In fact I'd never to like see use that formation which in some exceptional cases like Chelsea is obviously flawed. 

your favourite 4-3-2-1 formation that Chelsea uses is with ONE defensive midfielder, numpty. And it is essentially a 4-3-3 formation. It's like arguing 4-2-3-1 and 4-5-1. Try to read my post carefully next time... I never said Chelsea's formation was flawed... I said Ben's formation was flawed... and provided a formation similar to the one used by Chelsea... you on the other hand is just talking bollox...

First of all, it's not my 'favorite' formation. Secondly 4-3-2-1 is NOT a 4-3-3.

[maguskwt]

Whatever  God help us all if Roy uses Ben's formation... 

I ain't saying Roy should use Ben's formation. And you are certainly wasting your energy because your statistics book ain't updated.

In fact I'd never to like see use that formation which in some exceptional cases like Chelsea is obviously flawed. 

your favourite 4-3-2-1 formation that Chelsea uses is with ONE defensive midfielder, numpty. And it is essentially a 4-3-3 formation. It's like arguing 4-2-3-1 and 4-5-1. Try to read my post carefully next time... I never said Chelsea's formation was flawed... I said Ben's formation was flawed... and provided a formation similar to the one used by Chelsea... you on the other hand is just talking bollox...

First of all, it's not my 'favorite' formation. Secondly 4-3-2-1 is NOT a 4-3-3.

you can argue that to yourself mate... now run along...

[Bad Bob]

I'm confused.  Isn't the formation/personnel that Ben put up basically the same as the way Rafa set up the team for the last few seasons?  The two deeper CMs provide a platform for three more attacking players working "between the lines" behind Torres up top?  Width, by and large, is provided by the fullbacks.  To be fair, we've seen this system provide great success two years ago, when Alonso was one of the deep-lying CMs.  And we've seen it flounder last year with the Masch-Lucas axis.  If Meireles offers more than Lucas in terms of passing and driving the team forward and if Poulsen can approximate the Mash/Didi sit and disrupt role we could see this system work well again, IMO.

[matt_liverpool]

you can argue that to yourself mate... now run along...

I would have also said something like this if I was not capable of winning an argument.    Let's run along now..

[maguskwt]

I would have also said something like this if I was not capable of winning an argument.    Let's run along now..

be original now... you know you screwed up... 

[matt_liverpool]

I'm confused.  Isn't the formation/personnel that Ben put up basically the same as the way Rafa set up the team for the last few seasons?  The two deeper CMs provide a platform for three more attacking players working "between the lines" behind Torres up top?  Width, by and large, is provided by the fullbacks.  To be fair, we've seen this system provide great success two years ago, when Alonso was one of the deep-lying CMs.  And we've seen it flounder last year with the Masch-Lucas axis.  If Meireles offers more than Lucas in terms of passing and driving the team forward and if Poulsen can approximate the Mash/Didi sit and disrupt role we could see this system work well again, IMO.

We did indeed. In fact we are still playing Ben's formation under Roy as Kuyt and Jovanovic hardly provide any width and most of the time end up playing centrally.

[maguskwt]

I'm confused.  Isn't the formation/personnel that Ben put up basically the same as the way Rafa set up the team for the last few seasons?  The two deeper CMs provide a platform for three more attacking players working "between the lines" behind Torres up top?  Width, by and large, is provided by the fullbacks.  To be fair, we've seen this system provide great success two years ago, when Alonso was one of the deep-lying CMs.  And we've seen it flounder last year with the Masch-Lucas axis.  If Meireles offers more than Lucas in terms of passing and driving the team forward and if Poulsen can approximate the Mash/Didi sit and disrupt role we could see this system work well again, IMO.

The essential difference between Ben's formation and Rafa's formation is that in the former, Kuyt and Cole is supporting Torres and Gerrard is too far behind to support Torres Hence it is more of a 4-3-3. In the latter Gerrard is supporting Torres... Rafa's formation is like this...


             Masch     Alonso
Kuyt                                     Riera
                 Gerrard
                           Torres

[matt_liverpool]

I would have also said something like this if I was not capable of winning an argument.    Let's run along now..

be original now... you know you screwed up... 

I'd have preferred to give you more chances if you had any substance in the first place.

[maguskwt]

I'd have prefer to give you more chances if you had any substance in the first place.

let's just say this mate... "4-3-2-1 is not 4-3-3"



     


Funniest joke ever... good one that...

[matt_liverpool]

I'd have prefer to give you more chances if you had any substance in the first place.

let's just say this mate... "4-3-2-1 is not 4-3-3"



     


Funniest joke ever... good one that...

ok '4-3-2-1 is 4-3-3'...


     


Funniest joke ever... good one that...