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Postby heimdall » Fri Nov 27, 2009 3:37 pm

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heimdall wrote:That is hardly surprising but it's not good to hear. If it's true then Rafa has effectively lost the dressing room and needs to go.

no the agents of Babel and Voronin are telling the media they want their clients to get a move in January and in doing so get themselves a nice xmas bonus...its a common thing nowadays use the media to make unrest for financial gain..
but you couldn't care because you lap that kind of gutter press drivel up

Yeah fair point because it's clear to see that the lads are giving there all on the pitch and are 100% fired up isn't it.  :Oo:
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Postby shanklygates » Fri Nov 27, 2009 3:40 pm

If liverpool even desire to lift the main trophy that is the prem we need a big clear out, and tbh this should start at the top. The 2 americans should sell up and do us all a favour, rafa should actually resign and take all the deadwood with him, and i mean all of it.

dossena
skrtel
lucas
ngog
benayoun
kuyt
babel
ngog
riera

when people ask who you would have as manager, you may not agree with this but these are mine.


laurent blanc - this man is making waves in the managerial world and before not to long a top european club will snap him up.

second name i would take is an ex liverpool fan revered by many a fan...MARKUS BABBEL, he has only been managing for just under 2 years, but he took over a struggling stuttgart team and nearly won the league with them, things at the mo are not looking to rosy, going through a bit of a bad patch, but liverpool need a certain new freshness about them and he is a young up and coming manager.

i would rather eat my own eyeballs than have mourinho, that shushing incident will always be remembered and i'd like to think liverpools fans arent fickle.
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Postby Ciggy » Fri Nov 27, 2009 3:45 pm

shanklygates wrote:Gh put us back in europe and rafa has taken us out of it.

No offence but that is a load of bollox.
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Postby shanklygates » Fri Nov 27, 2009 3:53 pm

GH turned the weakest defence in europe into the best, he won a treble in his first season and i think it was time for him to go when he did, but GH put liverpool firmly back on the map.

the year we actually won the CL we finished 5th, so if we hadnt of won it that would have been another year out of the big comp, this year we are out of it because of all the dross rafa has bought, so imo its not bollox at all:)
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Postby supersub » Fri Nov 27, 2009 3:56 pm

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supersub wrote:
heimdall wrote:That is hardly surprising but it's not good to hear. If it's true then Rafa has effectively lost the dressing room and needs to go.

no the agents of Babel and Voronin are telling the media they want their clients to get a move in January and in doing so get themselves a nice xmas bonus...its a common thing nowadays use the media to make unrest for financial gain..
but you couldn't care because you lap that kind of gutter press drivel up

Yeah fair point because it's clear to see that the lads are giving there all on the pitch and are 100% fired up isn't it.  :Oo:

depends on which lads,which game and under what circumstances.....I've been to every home game and I haven't doubted the commitement of most players in most games to be honest...Voronin and Babel have stood out like a sore thumb with regards to lack of effort.....the newkit mafia's favourite whipping boys (Kuyt and Lucas) have showed total commitement with Lucas being one of our better players.
Gerrard and Torres have looked a little lack lustre at times but I think that is understandable if you have a niggling injury that is playing on your mind.

As for losing the dressing room...no seasoned and commited professionals will always ply their trade with integrity...lazy,good for nothing spongers will always be carried ...sadly we have a couple who will hopefully be off-loaded in January.......

Anyway can't stop ,picking the kids up and then its over to Liverpool Arena for Princesses on Ice...Cinderella wears lovely blue boots similar colour to the boots Babel says he is not allowed to wear :laugh:   fu.ckin big pansy
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Postby Bad Bob » Fri Nov 27, 2009 3:59 pm

shanklygates wrote:If liverpool even desire to lift the main trophy that is the prem we need a big clear out, and tbh this should start at the top. The 2 americans should sell up and do us all a favour, rafa should actually resign and take all the deadwood with him, and i mean all of it.

dossena
skrtel
lucas
ngog
benayoun
kuyt
babel
ngog
riera

when people ask who you would have as manager, you may not agree with this but these are mine.


laurent blanc - this man is making waves in the managerial world and before not to long a top european club will snap him up.

second name i would take is an ex liverpool fan revered by many a fan...MARKUS BABBEL, he has only been managing for just under 2 years, but he took over a struggling stuttgart team and nearly won the league with them, things at the mo are not looking to rosy, going through a bit of a bad patch, but liverpool need a certain new freshness about them and he is a young up and coming manager.

i would rather eat my own eyeballs than have mourinho, that shushing incident will always be remembered and i'd like to think liverpools fans arent fickle.

I've got some issues with your "deadwood" list:

Kuyt...in abysmal form and shouldn't be starting but I'd have him in the squad all day long

Riera...also one I'd hold onto.  Decent wingers are hard to come by and proper left-footers at that.  The lad's plateaued after a good start but he still provides us with balance, ball retention, some invention and a goal threat

Skrtel...does my head in with his ball-watching but I'd still have him in the squad, as he's more than good enough to be a back-up CB

Ngog...so poor you've rubbished him twice? :D  Not for me, he's not.  He's no world beater but I'd hang onto him and see how he progresses.  Of course, I'd bring in some superior attacking talent to take up positions above him in the striker pecking order but I don't think he needs shipping out.

Benayoun...you're having a laugh
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Postby shanklygates » Fri Nov 27, 2009 4:04 pm

benayoun = benauseless.

sorry i dont rate him at all, when he actually plays against anyone with a bit of class he actually goes missing and you dont even hear his name, he gives the ball away far to much, he tries to go through gaps that simply arent there, give me luis garcia back any day.
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Postby Ciggy » Fri Nov 27, 2009 4:07 pm

shanklygates wrote:benayoun = benauseless.

Oh dear  :suspect:
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Postby supersub » Fri Nov 27, 2009 4:11 pm

Ciggy wrote:
shanklygates wrote:benayoun = benauseless.

Oh dear  :suspect:

I know :help
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Postby Benny The Noon » Fri Nov 27, 2009 4:38 pm

Here's what the gaffer had to say...

Rafa on the situation he finds himself in...

When I decided to stay here I knew it could be a difficult season because I knew a lot of things could happen. I was a Real Madrid fan. You know Agustin, Garcia Cortes, Garcia Navajas, Sabido, Del Bosque, Angel, Camacho, Stielike, Juanito, Santillana, Cunningham - that's the team that played in the European Cup final against Liverpool in 1981. Why am I telling you this? I was a Real Madrid fan and player at the time but I have decided to stay at Liverpool because I like the city, the life here and the passion of the fans. When I signed a new contract it was because I wanted to stay and fight for this club. Sometimes you have good moments, sometimes bad, but still I want to fight. We will play in the Europa League and that will be our target, we will play against Everton and that will be our target. Every single week we will fight to win.

Rafa on offers from elsewhere...

When I signed my contract I had offers for more money and more money available for players, but I decided to stay because we have a very good team. I signed, I was really pleased and I have no regrets. I've had a lot of offers but I say 'No, no' because I want to stay here. The last offer was massive money but I decided to stay. We were talking about the number of years and I said five - it was very easy, very simple. I gave my word to the staff, I gave my word to the players. I love this city, I love this club and I love the fans.

Rafa on fan frustration
You cannot be a fan and be happy if your team is not winning. You have to be disappointed. The only thing you can do is try to understand. I will not make excuses because we know we have to improve - but we know we can improve. That's the positive thing, for me. Everyone close to Liverpool has to be disappointed but as a manager you have to keep going and working hard.
Rafa on fan frustration...

You cannot be a fan and be happy if your team is not winning. You have to be disappointed. The only thing you can do is try to understand. I will not make excuses because we know we have to improve - but we know we can improve. That's the positive thing, for me. Everyone close to Liverpool has to be disappointed but as a manager you have to keep going and working hard.

Rafa on the length of our disappointing spell...

For a club like us not to win for three or four games is not easy. But sometimes these things happen in football. The manager of Real Madrid in 1981 had a very famous saying - football is football. It's not very clever but it says everything. Football is different to the other sports.

Rafa on the burden of success...

I have had the same problem for the last four or five years because we won the Champions League and FA Cup, and before that with Valencia the Spanish league and UEFA Cup.

Rafa on the press Liverpool gets...

We have seen for years that Liverpool is a top side, a very successful club - so it's easy for people to say we have to win. When I first arrived it was a case of improving - just improving was good. But then we won the Champions League for the first time in 21 years - that's longer than the wait for the league. So now people talk about the Premier League. That's a situation you have to accept at a top side but maybe Liverpool is different still because last year we couldn't win the Premier League - Arsenal have won it, Chelsea have won it, United have won it. So Liverpool are the only one. The rest of the teams in the Premier League don't have to same expectations. But it's a long race and we will improve as the season goes along. It doesn't matter what a lot of people who are talking say. Maybe they want to take advantage of the situation. But we will improve, we'll win games, and everything will change.

Rafa on Everton
These games are similar every year. A lot of passion in the stands and also on the pitch. You have to play a physical game ad you have to play well. It'll be a high tempo with direct play and needing to win second balls. Hopefully it'll be good for our fans - especially our fans. It's an important game for everyone in the city but at the end of the day it's three points in a crucial time for everyone.
Rafa on the fight he sees in his players...

I have seen the press and I'm really pleased with the reaction of Gerrard, Torres and Pepe Reina. All the players know we have to push hard and improve, starting right now. I was talking to some of them about belief and trust. They know we are together working hard. That's the main thing for me. The players want to prove we are good enough, and not just in the derby. They want to prove we can be in the top four, at least. If we can win one or two games you will see a massive difference.

Rafa on getting the backing of Christian Purslow...

It's really important, but I already knew because we have conversations every day about everything. To go and say he was supporting me is positive because the last two months a lot of people have been talking too much. People at the top, the players, the kit man - everyone is sticking together.

Rafa on contact with the owners...

Not this week. I had some contact last week. They have Christian Purslow in charge. Christian was in Hungary and we've been talking this week, yesterday and this morning. We know what's going on and we're moving forward.

Rafa on what it takes to win a derby...

These games are similar every year. A lot of passion in the stands and also on the pitch. You have to play a physical game and you have to play well. It'll be a high tempo with direct play and needing to win second balls. Hopefully it'll be good for the fans - especially our fans. It's an important game for everyone in the city but at the end of the day it's three points in a crucial time for everyone.

Rafa on tempering emotions of his players...

Yes, I will try! Sometimes you cannot but I will try to get the right messages across. Sometimes with our staff - Sammy Lee has a lot of spirit and passion but we'll try to manage. We need this passion but we also need to do the right things.

Rafa on winning the derby...

If we can win against Everton it will be a sunny Monday.
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Postby account deleted by request » Fri Nov 27, 2009 4:45 pm

forget it  :D
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Postby Benny The Noon » Fri Nov 27, 2009 4:51 pm

s@int wrote:forget it  :D

Chicken  :p
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Postby shanklygates » Fri Nov 27, 2009 5:19 pm

sorry for posting it here, but how many posts is it, before i can make my own topics?

i've got a few i would like to start:blues:
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Postby Benny The Noon » Fri Nov 27, 2009 5:21 pm

Need to post 50 i think or maybe 25 ???
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Postby shanklygates » Fri Nov 27, 2009 5:22 pm

well thats 10 :)
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