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Postby RichardLFC1 » Sun Dec 31, 2006 1:55 am

Another game in the busy festive period and a tough one too. Bolton have been on a run as late and Anelka has been on form aswell. They did us at the Reebok thanks to that shitty linesman what he was thinking is beyhond even the most stupidest Referees that have ever officialed a game.

Bolton are now sitting 3rd but a win for us on monday would lift us above them.

Keep the same team against Spurs. I think if we do that then we should end up winning 2 or 3-0 as we created so much today and again Scored very minimal.
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Postby Woollyback » Sun Dec 31, 2006 2:07 am

i wouldn't play some of the new lads like aurelio, gonzalez etc against fat sam and his alehouse team. hope we go with carra & sami at the back (or maybe agger if sami's not up to it). bolton will come to try and disrupt the game and kick lumps out of us (as ever). this game is made for bellamy - a tenacious little fecker, he'll wind them up big time and should be able to skin the likes of campo for pace. we need to pass the ball well against them and not give possession away too easily, if we can play our football and not get drawn into a scuffle then we should beat them comprehensively. i'm going for 3-1 (and a broken leg for spit the dog)
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Postby Reg » Sun Dec 31, 2006 2:22 am

It a key game to win. There's going to be a scramble for 3rd and 4th place this season between us, the @rse, Bolton, Spurs etc.. so its vital to take 3 points away from all these teams. The run in to the end of the season starts Jan 1st with no more time for Rafa to ppiss around with the line up or tactics, just put your best team out there and go for 3 points - especially as we have a tough CL opponent waiting to welcome us to their city.... !
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Postby Woollyback » Sun Dec 31, 2006 2:33 am

Reg wrote:It a key game to win. There's going to be a scramble for 3rd and 4th place this season between us, the @rse, Bolton, Spurs etc.. so its vital to take 3 points away from all these teams. The run in to the end of the season starts Jan 1st with no more time for Rafa to ppiss around with the line up or tactics, just put your best team out there and go for 3 points - especially as we have a tough CL opponent waiting to welcome us to their city.... !

good point, i think rafa is almost at the point of knowing his best team and we're crying out for him to stick with it. look at the difference a good run in the side has made to bellamy. then again we'll go shopping in the january sales then we're back to square one
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Postby red37 » Sun Dec 31, 2006 4:03 am

im not sure if i like the 'flavour' of this article, though for the record its worth a read to see just how sad Allardyce and his bunch of labourers really have come to be depicted. And they appear to be proud of it too....

Neighbours from hell - The Times  31/12/06

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The recent history of animosity between Bolton and Liverpool is liable to resurface when the local rivals clash tomorrow 

In “The Wanderer” online fanzine there is a spoof photo-story called “Evil Sam Allardyce” in which the big man is blamed for events in history from the crucifixion to shooting King Harold in the eye at Hastings. At the Reebok stadium the fans have a song: “He drinks, he dives, he spits in people’s eyes, El Hadji Diouf.” If Bolton supporters really do revel in their club’s notoriety their feelings towards Rafael Benitez must have been love at first slight. Boltonians are fond of the Liverpool manager in as much as they adore beating him. To them, Benitez is up there with Arsène Wenger in the ranks of the pious who must be slain. Arsenal and, to a greater extent, Liverpool have become fixtures with an edge. Football is always remaking itself. A needle match can be suddenly forged.

Liverpool against Bolton carries enmity because of the culture clash between Benitez and Anfield’s Spaniards and the muck and brass of Big Sam. It was Bolton who gave Benitez his “welcome to the Premiership” happy slapping in 2004. He had begun his first English league programme away to Tottenham followed by a home game versus Manchester City. At Bolton, Benitez gawped as Luis Garcia and Xabi Alonso were marginalised, his other new Spaniard, Josemi, was terrorised, Liverpool were outplayed and outmuscled and beaten domestically for the first time in his charge. Kevin Davies, Bolton’s scorer, had broken Sami Hyypia’s nose and left his vision blurred just 14 minutes into the game.

“The main thing is to realise referees in England are different when it comes to challenges. The physical stuff is allowed here,” said Benitez post-match, having marched down the tunnel without shaking Allardyce’s hand. If the first cells of bad blood had been spawned, they multiplied with Benitez’s subsequent comments. “I have learnt that sometimes in England you need to play basketball,” he reflected later that first season. He also said:


“I remembered watching Wimbledon on television during the 1980s so I can’t say I was surprised. I knew there would be a lot of long balls in England.”

Bolton were left unnamed when he made both remarks but taken to be a reference point. Allardyce and his club’s supporters are of the Frankie Howerd view: “Infamy, infamy, they’ve all got it infamy,” as Howerd liked to say. For Boltonians, Benitez had joined the ranks of the sore losers, those who when defeated by the Wanderers’ use their opponents’ negative image as a fig leaf to hide shortcomings.

In last season’s corresponding fixture, Bolton v Liverpool truly kicked off. On January 2, 2006, Liverpool had to fight back from behind to draw 2-2. Allardyce was incandescent that neither Steven Gerrard nor Momo Sissoko were sent off for seeming stamps on his players. Gerrard had landed, studs first, on Kevin Nolan’s chest, although replays suggested a possible accident. Gerrard certainly offered that explanation and Nolan, a friend and fellow Scouser, was happy to accept. But their managers were implacable.

“Serious foul play,” stormed Allardyce. “The referee should protect the players who want to play football. Bolton were diving all the time,” Benitez groused. Allardyce and Benitez should not feel like such opposites. For all their backgrounds differ, much of their method and philosphy is similar. Benitez may aspire to a smoother type of football but, like Allardyce, he is a pragmatist above all else, willing to use scientific analysis to identify “the right areas” into which Liverpool should make their runs and play their passes. Allardyce, with his flotilla of technical and fitness consultants, is just as methodical as Benitez. Perhaps it comes down to personalities. Allardyce is a stalwart of football lunches and charity dinners. For Benitez, socialising means quiet time at home on the Wirral with his family.

The draw at the Reebok last January prevented Liverpool from achieving a club record 11th consecutive league win and Bolton will be out, tomorrow, to end another streak. Liverpool have not conceded at Anfield since October nor lost there since March. Bolton last had a league win at the stadium in 1954 but have recent form on their side. Liverpool were well beaten in September, but the comfort of Bolton’s 2-0 victory did not mean the game was without thorns. Benitez claimed Abdoulaye Faye should have been sent off and was furious when Jose Reina was wrongly judged to have handled outside his area, giving Bolton a free kick from which they scored. Nicolas Anelka returns to Anfield five years to the day since he made his home debut for Liverpool — against Bolton. Also caught in the middle is Nolan, a Kopite, who followed his team to the Champions League final. “They (Liverpool) see us in a different way to how we see ourselves,” the Bolton captain said. “We’re supposed to be this long ball team but I can tell you we have looked at the stats and we don’t play as many long balls as some teams. Liverpool are the highest.”

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the sooner this fixture is over, the better for me...at least it makes a change that we play them at Anfield this time, it seems we nearly always get them at their gaff around New years day...so lets see a good battle on our own turf, hopefully with an injury-free victory!
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Postby Lando_Griffin » Sun Dec 31, 2006 5:11 am

red37 wrote:im not sure if i like the 'flavour' of this article, though for the record its worth a read to see just how sad Allardyce and his bunch of labourers really have come to be depicted. And they appear to be proud of it too....

Neighbours from hell - The Times  31/12/06

Jonathan Northcroft

The recent history of animosity between Bolton and Liverpool is liable to resurface when the local rivals clash tomorrow 

In “The Wanderer” online fanzine there is a spoof photo-story called “Evil Sam Allardyce” in which the big man is blamed for events in history from the crucifixion to shooting King Harold in the eye at Hastings. At the Reebok stadium the fans have a song: “He drinks, he dives, he spits in people’s eyes, El Hadji Diouf.” If Bolton supporters really do revel in their club’s notoriety their feelings towards Rafael Benitez must have been love at first slight. Boltonians are fond of the Liverpool manager in as much as they adore beating him. To them, Benitez is up there with Arsène Wenger in the ranks of the pious who must be slain. Arsenal and, to a greater extent, Liverpool have become fixtures with an edge. Football is always remaking itself. A needle match can be suddenly forged.

Liverpool against Bolton carries enmity because of the culture clash between Benitez and Anfield’s Spaniards and the muck and brass of Big Sam. It was Bolton who gave Benitez his “welcome to the Premiership” happy slapping in 2004. He had begun his first English league programme away to Tottenham followed by a home game versus Manchester City. At Bolton, Benitez gawped as Luis Garcia and Xabi Alonso were marginalised, his other new Spaniard, Josemi, was terrorised, Liverpool were outplayed and outmuscled and beaten domestically for the first time in his charge. Kevin Davies, Bolton’s scorer, had broken Sami Hyypia’s nose and left his vision blurred just 14 minutes into the game.

“The main thing is to realise referees in England are different when it comes to challenges. The physical stuff is allowed here,” said Benitez post-match, having marched down the tunnel without shaking Allardyce’s hand. If the first cells of bad blood had been spawned, they multiplied with Benitez’s subsequent comments. “I have learnt that sometimes in England you need to play basketball,” he reflected later that first season. He also said:


“I remembered watching Wimbledon on television during the 1980s so I can’t say I was surprised. I knew there would be a lot of long balls in England.”

Bolton were left unnamed when he made both remarks but taken to be a reference point. Allardyce and his club’s supporters are of the Frankie Howerd view: “Infamy, infamy, they’ve all got it infamy,” as Howerd liked to say. For Boltonians, Benitez had joined the ranks of the sore losers, those who when defeated by the Wanderers’ use their opponents’ negative image as a fig leaf to hide shortcomings.

In last season’s corresponding fixture, Bolton v Liverpool truly kicked off. On January 2, 2006, Liverpool had to fight back from behind to draw 2-2. Allardyce was incandescent that neither Steven Gerrard nor Momo Sissoko were sent off for seeming stamps on his players. Gerrard had landed, studs first, on Kevin Nolan’s chest, although replays suggested a possible accident. Gerrard certainly offered that explanation and Nolan, a friend and fellow Scouser, was happy to accept. But their managers were implacable.

“Serious foul play,” stormed Allardyce. “The referee should protect the players who want to play football. Bolton were diving all the time,” Benitez groused. Allardyce and Benitez should not feel like such opposites. For all their backgrounds differ, much of their method and philosphy is similar. Benitez may aspire to a smoother type of football but, like Allardyce, he is a pragmatist above all else, willing to use scientific analysis to identify “the right areas” into which Liverpool should make their runs and play their passes. Allardyce, with his flotilla of technical and fitness consultants, is just as methodical as Benitez. Perhaps it comes down to personalities. Allardyce is a stalwart of football lunches and charity dinners. For Benitez, socialising means quiet time at home on the Wirral with his family.

The draw at the Reebok last January prevented Liverpool from achieving a club record 11th consecutive league win and Bolton will be out, tomorrow, to end another streak. Liverpool have not conceded at Anfield since October nor lost there since March. Bolton last had a league win at the stadium in 1954 but have recent form on their side. Liverpool were well beaten in September, but the comfort of Bolton’s 2-0 victory did not mean the game was without thorns. Benitez claimed Abdoulaye Faye should have been sent off and was furious when Jose Reina was wrongly judged to have handled outside his area, giving Bolton a free kick from which they scored. Nicolas Anelka returns to Anfield five years to the day since he made his home debut for Liverpool — against Bolton. Also caught in the middle is Nolan, a Kopite, who followed his team to the Champions League final. “They (Liverpool) see us in a different way to how we see ourselves,” the Bolton captain said. “We’re supposed to be this long ball team but I can tell you we have looked at the stats and we don’t play as many long balls as some teams. Liverpool are the highest.”

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the sooner this fixture is over, the better for me...at least it makes a change that we play them at Anfield this time, it seems we nearly always get them at their gaff around New years day...so lets see a good battle on our own turf, hopefully with an injury-free victory!

Have we ever actually been outplayed by the scutters? Seriously?

Even in the 2-0 at the Slaughter House (Sorry - meant "Reebok"), we were the better side, undone by dodgy reffing decisions.

To compare Fat Boy to Rafa is beyond the realms of stupidity. The gulf in class is greater than that between a French Peasant during the Frnech 3rd Republic, and HRH Queen Liz II, present day.

Some people need to wake up and stab themselves to death before they churn out any more cr*p. :D

I think we need to set the record straight anyway - let's f*ck them up. 4-0. Come on lads - let's do 'em!  :buttrock
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Postby A.B. » Sun Dec 31, 2006 5:30 am

Bellamy is a doubt for the game against Bolton. He was taken off as a precaution but we'll see whether or not he plays.
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Postby The Manhattan Project » Sun Dec 31, 2006 5:55 am

Hopefully Chelski will continue to drop points and we are getting closer to them.

1-nil will do for Manhattan.

I can't stand the thought of Bolton making it to the Champions League.

It's like taking Dot Cotton to the Oscars.

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Postby red37 » Sun Dec 31, 2006 7:34 am

The Manhattan Project wrote:Hopefully Chelski will continue to drop points and we are getting closer to them.

1-nil will do for Manhattan.

I can't stand the thought of Bolton making it to the Champions League.

It's like taking Dot Cotton to the Oscars.


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Postby Ciggy » Sun Dec 31, 2006 8:23 am

Bolton is on the list of my hated teams behind the bitters and mancs, I cant bare them atall.
I hate everything about them that tw@t that runs up and down the line with the banner I feel good along with the music when they score is embarressing.
Ale house, sh.it house team and manager, its a must that we take 3 points off these b@stards tommorrow and shut that fat butcher face right up imagine how europe would view the prem if they where in the CL it doesnt bare thinking about.
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Postby jkop » Sun Dec 31, 2006 9:21 am

Im not saying lets be dirty but be a bit more physical against Bolton, they are a hard side so lets bring a wee bit back to them. :nod And a 1-0 win with Kuyt scoring.
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Postby dward » Sun Dec 31, 2006 10:16 am

This is a must-win game to consolidate our spot in the top 3.

A draw for us and Arsenal winning would put us down to 5th, so we have to win this.

I'll go for a 1-0 win like last season.
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Postby stmichael » Sun Dec 31, 2006 11:18 am

Ciggy wrote:Bolton is on the list of my hated teams behind the bitters and mancs, I cant bare them atall.
I hate everything about them that tw@t that runs up and down the line with the banner I feel good along with the music when they score is embarressing.
Ale house, sh.it house team and manager, its a must that we take 3 points off these b@stards tommorrow and shut that fat butcher face right up imagine how europe would view the prem if they where in the CL it doesnt bare thinking about.
Destroy them Liverpool please.

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agree 100% by the way. hope we tw@t the ba$tards out of sight. :angry:
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Postby 66-1120597113 » Sun Dec 31, 2006 11:53 am

Always give us a game Bolton do!

They seem to relish playing against footballing sides where they can play their dirt to disrupt our flowing play!
Bottom line is we have to be tough and give as good as we get physically.Over the last few seasons they have a very good record against us because they have been able to disrupt are natural game!

This is our most important game of the season so far in the EPL...it could be decisive come season end

Win and we go 1 point ahead of them....loose and its 5 behind!

Loosing or even a draw is not an option!
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Postby Woollyback » Sun Dec 31, 2006 11:57 am

the proverbial six-pointer. the bloke in the next office to me is a season ticket boltonian, going back to work after crimbo is sh*t enough as it is without having to listen to that c.unt gloating. please rafa bring me a big fat win
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