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How the f**k is it true Chelsea forever,god you talk p!ss sometimes

I talk ? Can  you name ONE clube in the EPL , SeriaA, La Liga, Bundes Liga, Portugal Leage or even the f@rkin Auz league that has a record like Chelsea does since the 04-05 season onwards?

15 goals conceded in the league since the first game of the 04-05 season untill now.

ONE loss since the first game of the 04-05 season untill now.

Best defensive record in Europe.

i can go on but its not right for me to on here.

Weather you like it or not, we have been the most effective team in our league and compared to other teams in their leagues aswell as in Europe.

No ones argueing with that CF!
But it has been bought overnight! Every team in Europe respects for winning the Cup last year! If u win anything this year it will be like'so what its  Chelsea,with they're millions is to be expected'
Roman has been the worst thing to happen in EPL as far back a i can remember!

[Chelsea forever.]

I have nothing further to say on this matter. It seems some people here are not open minded and practical.

The_rock - You are the weakest link.

Good bye.

[Chelsea forever.]

.cf.

[2520years]

It's very early in the season, so there's no important cup games and league position doesn't count for much (unless you're Newcastle or Charlton).  I think it's always like this.  Wait until Christmas for it to really hot up.

listen up......there are no important cup games coming up 


so the cl cup game against chelsea is just a friendly then 

I think you know what I mean.  Yes, the Champions League is a cup, but we're in a group phase, so the thrill of two-legged or one-legged ties isn't there.  Real Madrid lost, but so what?  They're still going to qualify.

I'm going on the Anfield tour tomorrow, so maybe seeing all those trophies etc. will get me excited.  Then beating the Filthy Reds on Sunday should whip me up into a frenzy!

[stmichael]

Im really gonna hate sayin this but i think a huge factor is that we are all resigned to the fact that Chelsea will win the league this season.Who,that knows anything about football would argue with that?
No-one!!

agree 100% with this.

we've taken the pi$$ out of the SPL for years due to the fact it was predictable and only two teams could ever win it. well that's what the premiership has become now. hell with the emergence of hearts, the SPL will be more competitive than the premiership this season.

[bigmick]

I've been saying on here for a while that Chelsea will win the Premiership for the next four or five years. I can't see how they can possibly fail to do so given their vastly superior resources. As we proved last season, a well drilled and motivated outfit can occasionally see them off in a cup game but over the stretch of a league season you have absolutely no chance whatsoever. It's akin to the little corner shop trying to survive when a big Tesco's opens over the road. Your only chance is to specialise, find a niche market that the big boys can't compete with. In the shop's case it might be organic olives, in our case it's the cup competitions.
Figuratively speeking however, bread and butter sales(ie the Premiership) is out of our range unless there is a change in the planning laws. The Prem looks absolutely all over to me already which is saying something, Jeez we've only played 3 games!

[LFC #1]

I've been saying on here for a while that Chelsea will win the Premiership for the next four or five years. I can't see how they can possibly fail to do so given their vastly superior resources. As we proved last season, a well drilled and motivated outfit can occasionally see them off in a cup game but over the stretch of a league season you have absolutely no chance whatsoever. It's akin to the little corner shop trying to survive when a big Tesco's opens over the road. Your only chance is to specialise, find a niche market that the big boys can't compete with. In the shop's case it might be organic olives, in our case it's the cup competitions.
Figuratively speeking however, bread and butter sales(ie the Premiership) is out of our range unless there is a change in the planning laws. The Prem looks absolutely all over to me already which is saying something, Jeez we've only played 3 games!

Excellent analogy mick.

As others have said, this is the main reason why their is this feeling of boredom. How can people get excited about the "title race" when their simply isn't going to be one?

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I've been saying on here for a while that Chelsea will win the Premiership for the next four or five years. I can't see how they can possibly fail to do so given their vastly superior resources. As we proved last season, a well drilled and motivated outfit can occasionally see them off in a cup game but over the stretch of a league season you have absolutely no chance whatsoever. It's akin to the little corner shop trying to survive when a big Tesco's opens over the road. Your only chance is to specialise, find a niche market that the big boys can't compete with. In the shop's case it might be organic olives, in our case it's the cup competitions.
Figuratively speeking however, bread and butter sales(ie the Premiership) is out of our range unless there is a change in the planning laws. The Prem looks absolutely all over to me already which is saying something, Jeez we've only played 3 games!

Excellent analogy mick.

As others have said, this is the main reason why their is this feeling of boredom. How can people get excited about the "title race" when their simply isn't going to be one?

True to an extent ,but if it is going to happen for the next four years like Bigmick says it would be nice to show some grit and determination amongst players and fans.

Did you fall asleep through the nineties when the scum dominated football.

If so i will unrap your bandages in four years time FFS .

[LFC #1]

No of course not, and I forgot to say in my last psot that their is a lot more to the Premeriship than the title race, but whwn a team i so dominant it does take a littl bit away form the league.

That being said, I stil watch as much football, if not more, than I ever have and the Premeirship is called the most exciting league in the world for a reason.

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LFC#1  I just hope our players dont think the way some of us do ,then we would have no chance.

[stmichael]

Chelsea's dominance of the English game wouldn't be so bad if they were playing like Manchester United used to be able to, or Arsenal under Wenger once did, or even crazy Newcastle under crazy Keegan, but they don't - Mourinho plays to stifle the opposition and win by a goal or two. This thinking has drifted down to the rest of the Premiership and more often than not, games these days are torrid, dour stalemates decided by a single goal or a dodgy refereeing decision.

You can't argue with results, or so the saying goes - however, it's the fans who decide what they want to watch, and nobody but the hardcore is going to tune in for a season of Chelsea wins and the rest of the bunch trying all season to 'do an Everton', win the majority of their games 1-0 and get a European place.

Football's got boring. The Championship appears to be where it's at - as there's no Chelsea, and promotion actually gets you something, teams go all out to win, hence exciting, attacking football.

I'm sure Chelsea Forever will probably reply to this saying what a load of b*ll*cks I'm talking, that winning is the most important thing. Well if football doesn't sort this out sharpish Sky are looking at falling viewing figures, gates will drop and the game overall will suffer as a result. There's a lot of people out there who will go to football games no matter what, it inspires a fanatical level of devotion in a lot of people in this country.

However, as the huge attendance and surge in popularity after Euro 96 showed, there's equally a lot of people out there who will first stop going to games if they're being charged £30 to get cold and watch rubbish, then stop watching on TV, and like Why Don't You, they'll find something less boring to do instead (like watch cricket). 

Me? I'll be watching football still, cos I'm a glutton for punishment - however the game and the managers would be wise to remember that not all are like me!

[bigmick]

With respect Bamaga I made the mistake of thinking that everybody remembers previous debates on the subject which of course they wouldn't. In a nutshell I am not advocating a belly-up acceptance of Chelsea's dominance, far from it. I am however making the point that this particular phase in English football is entirely different from our periods of dominance, or indeed the pre-eminance of Manure during the nineties.
This is a financial divide the like of which has never been witnessed before in World sport. They (Chelsea) average 10 million pounds per month in transfer expenditure since Abrhamovic took over. That is AVERAGE!!!! Unbelieveable but true.
My whole point mate is not that we should give in and submit the Premiership title without a fight, it is that the powers that be should look to redress the balance and level the playing field somewhat as a matter of urgency. I'm talking not just between Chelsea and ourselves, but between ourselves and Charlton. Lets level it a bit between Arsenal and West Ham while we're at it. Sport needs competition, without it sport is merely pre-ordained theatre much like ice-dancing and the like.
It can be done and salary capping is the way. Buy who you like for as much as you like. Pay 'em as much as you like but your overall team budget is, say 20 million per season. Pay a guy 100k per week if you want but you'd better make sure you get some shitkickers in for a lot less money to balance it up. Can't be done? look at America, they do it in their major sports and it works over there.
That's why I make the point about Chelsea winning the Prem for the forseeable. It'll take something as drastic as that to make the powers that be act on something that should have been sorted 20 years ago.

[bigmick]

Chelsea's dominance of the English game wouldn't be so bad if they were playing like Manchester United used to be able to, or Arsenal under Wenger once did, or even crazy Newcastle under crazy Keegan, but they don't - Mourinho plays to stifle the opposition and win by a goal or two. This thinking has drifted down to the rest of the Premiership and more often than not, games these days are torrid, dour stalemates decided by a single goal or a dodgy refereeing decision.

Absolutely spot on St Mike. As it is blood and thunder English style games are becoming the extreme exception rather than the rule and this trend will only increase as people like Mourhinho (and if we're being absolutely candid Rafa to an extent) bring a much more clinical, continental outlook to coaching and set-up.
Similarly, refereeing and rule interpretation has changed making tackling and bodily contact a rarity. I was always of the belief that the ability to and the allowance of tackling made our football the most exciting to watch. Teams were more likely to risk loosing posession, more likely to leave themnselves light at the back if they could press the ball to win it back or leave a good tackler to hold the fort. These days however, posession and safety in numbers is seemingly everything. The days of the box to box midfielder are seemingly gone, teams preferring to have a sitter in behind a bank of four.
Effective? yes but entertaining? no.

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Mick it sounds like a reasonable solution ,but do you think it will happen ?

Money in the game today is a massive factor and it can help achieve success but at the end of the day there are twenty-two players on the pitch ,there still is that fighting chance of getting a result over money minting clubs (Chelsea in particular
So unless a solution to this is brought in like you say we may have this situation  around for some time .
We will have to live with and our respective teams will have to work harder to combat the might of money ,but so be it.

[Chelsea forever.]

I'm sure Chelsea Forever will probably reply to this saying what a load of b*ll*cks I'm talking, that winning is the most important thing. Well if football doesn't sort this out sharpish Sky are looking at falling viewing figures, gates will drop and the game overall will suffer as a result. There's a lot of people out there who will go to football games no matter what, it inspires a fanatical level of devotion in a lot of people in this country.

stmiike and bigmick -

I agree with a lot of what you 2 say. I am all for entertaining football and exciting games. I feel the fans pay a lot for tickets, the players earn a load a week and its their duty to perform in front of the fans. Its a crime to give them a boring game and its a crime to put in a lack luster performance.

However, I also stress that in today’s competitive world where all kinds of rules are changing it is very important that at the end of the day you get those 3 points. Like Bigmik pointed out, the days of the tackles have long gone, today if a striker goes for a ball in the air and his finger touches a defender who clutches his face and falls down then the Ref will award a free kick. The manner in which football is played these days is somewhat molded by the authorities which leaves a sub-conscious thought in players minds.

If all you concentrate on is beautiful football you will be nowhere (Norwich). Its a different thing if all the clubs adopt an all out attacking policy as the risk is then divided and its an open race, but no one club is going to risk it and play flowing football which leave them open at the back because a lot of teams play safe these days and at the end of the season it wont matter how much beautiful football you have played but only how many points you have earned - of course if you are capable of playing attractive football and earning those points then this world will be a better place to live in.

I hope this 4-5-1 that a lot of clubs are playing (Lfc,Cfc,Bolton,Everton,Manu etc) does not become the flavor of the next few seasons and I hope the players realize that they are obligated to play good football as not only do they extract a certain amount of money from the club and fans but they also keep other players on the bench, players who are hungry and dying to perform and its injustice to those players if the ones picked to play do not give each game their all.


CF.