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[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

our last two league games have been clean sheets which is a bit more like it.
i`d leave the back 4 as it is, the defensive unit seems to be playing itself into form.

[Boocity]

Beating Norwich and Reading who have a combined 1 win in the season,doesn't give enough optimism to believe we will fight it out for a top position.
When it comes to goalscoring we still have the same problems as seasons past. Even a place in europe would surprise me a little.

Didn't Arsenal just get beat by the same norwich side we put five past, have a little faith peeps and stop putting us down all the time. I reckon we can make top 4, Everton will be f'cked with a couple of injuries, Newcastle won't last the pace, Spurs look dodgy with a dodgy manager, Arsenal  are looking as weak as i've seen them for years, even ManU aren't looking anything special this year, Chelsea seem to be the stand out side at the mo but reckon it will be city who will finish strongest

[red till i die!!]

our last two league games have been clean sheets which is a bit more like it.
i`d leave the back 4 as it is, the defensive unit seems to be playing itself into form.

agreed,its the same defence that this time last year was the best in the league.given time and a bit of help from the forwards and they will be solid again.
i do think we need to replace carragher next summer with someone who could walk into the team and keep skyrtel on his toes. martin kelly would be my choice ahead of wilson. both unfortunately are inexperienced so maybe we will have to spend but surely not before a flippin striker of note.

[Thommo's perm]

Beating Norwich and Reading who have a combined 1 win in the season,doesn't give enough optimism to believe we will fight it out for a top position.
When it comes to goalscoring we still have the same problems as seasons past. Even a place in europe would surprise me a little.

Didn't Arsenal just get beat by the same norwich side we put five past, have a little faith peeps and stop putting us down all the time. I reckon we can make top 4, Everton will be f'cked with a couple of injuries, Newcastle won't last the pace, Spurs look dodgy with a dodgy manager, Arsenal  are looking as weak as i've seen them for years, even ManU aren't looking anything special this year, Chelsea seem to be the stand out side at the mo but reckon it will be city who will finish strongest

That is a near perfect post
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[Boxscarf]

We won't get 4th - I reckon we won't be within 10 points of 4th.

We are miles behind the top teams. Do people not realise where we finished last season !! 8th just to remind people - 8th and we have just struggled to beat a Reading side in the bottom two !!

We don't have any other gears. Suarez doesn't score we struggle. We are a one man team and that one man is inconsistent.

Whilst I don't think we'll get a top four place, I think you are being highly negative here. We didn't struggle to beat Reading, we had a total of 23 shots with 10 of them on target. We never looked like losing against Reading, in fact we should have beaten them by a larger margin, but as I have said before, a win is the most important thing, clean sheets and large goal margins are just an added bonus. Suarez struggled to find the net against Reading and up popped Sterling with a wonderful finish, so let's not overexaggerate things here. Suarez is an important player, but he's not the only player capable of scoring goals.

[Boxscarf]

I'd be very careful with Robbo, he has the talent for sure but I'm wary of another Insua scenario. Coates looks very shaky imo, if he could use his physical presence more to his advantage he could be great but he's very nervous on the ball and his preference to play the route one ball gets on my nerves

Coates needs to bulk up, he's far too skinny at the moment and will be easily bullied by strikers in the mould of Kenwyne Jones.

[Kharhaz]

A man named Benny the Noon
Took a lesbian up to his room
They argued a lot
About who would do what
And how and with which and to whom.

  Just kidding Benny !

[The Good Yank]

We won't get 4th - I reckon we won't be within 10 points of 4th.

We are miles behind the top teams. Do people not realise where we finished last season !! 8th just to remind people - 8th and we have just struggled to beat a Reading side in the bottom two !!

We don't have any other gears. Suarez doesn't score we struggle. We are a one man team and that one man is inconsistent.

I wasn't saying I think we'll end up 4th, was just using 4th as a bench mark to point out that while we have had a dreadful start to the season, all is not lost.

[Kharhaz]

We won't get 4th - I reckon we won't be within 10 points of 4th.

We are miles behind the top teams. Do people not realise where we finished last season !! 8th just to remind people - 8th and we have just struggled to beat a Reading side in the bottom two !!

We don't have any other gears. Suarez doesn't score we struggle. We are a one man team and that one man is inconsistent.

I wasn't saying I think we'll end up 4th, was just using 4th as a bench mark to point out that while we have had a dreadful start to the season, all is not lost.

Dont waste your breath mate. All is not lost, we have had a poor start, point wise, but if you look at each of the games we have played so far, the only game you could say we stunk in was against Arsenal. We have a lot of positives to look to. The team are playing better than ever. The only thing we are missing is our finishing. I dont buy into this "If Suarez is injured we are f*cked" philosphy either, as he, to me, is a Luis Garcia type player. Inconsistent, brilliant, game changer, waster. He cannot be relied on to get goals. We saw that against Reading.

We have a lot to look forward to, decisions have gone against us, and rather than focus on that, the incentive for most, I will use the word fans rather than supporters, is to focus on the negatives. We have got a lot right with regards to our style of play. We outplayed the champions and the runners up and came away with just 1 point.

Patience is the key here. We have to learn to crawl once again, then walk, then, well you know the rest.

[7_Kewell]

as i've said in another thread, things arn't as bleak as some like to make out.

We've got a new manager who's injecting fresh ideas and everyone has to fight to get their starting place, which a million miles away from the position we were in last year...or the year before. 

If BR can get a 20 goal a season striker in Jan then we'll be marching up the table.

[Kharhaz]

The problem LFC have is a problem that has been around since the Rafa days, sticking the ball in the back of the net.  Throughout the team we dont have a consistent base of who can score goals. Even Gerrard has gone off that radar. People say we need a striker, we dont, we need ALL our players to learn where the goal is, and how to direct the ball towards it. Skrtel did well last season from set pieces, but for a long time we havent had any of our outfield players consistenly putting the ball in the net. We look to our strikers, naturally, but we should be looking at all our players, when they see the goal and have the ball, to hit a shot on target. And for so long, we havent had that.

[Basil]

If we sign the right type of striker in January or better still the right couple of forwards, a lot of our players already have the ability score goals it's all about finding the right balance in the team.

We need a striker with a presence of mind to hold on to the ball, remain calm, pick the right option of when to go for goal or when to bring other players into play. The type of striker that seems to have time on the ball and the ability put the ball in the back of the net.

If we could sign this type of striker, it could almost be like the missing pice of the jigsaw and really make things tick. Agger, Skertel, Johnson, Gerrard, Sahin, Shelvey and all the forwards can score goals in the right situation.

Fairly ordinary players can look good in a balanced team that's playing the right tactics, I think we're trying to play the right way but it takes time to find the right balance and function as an efficient team all over the pitch.

[lakes10]

The problem LFC have is a problem that has been around since the Rafa days, sticking the ball in the back of the net.  Throughout the team we dont have a consistent base of who can score goals. Even Gerrard has gone off that radar. People say we need a striker, we dont, we need ALL our players to learn where the goal is, and how to direct the ball towards it. Skrtel did well last season from set pieces, but for a long time we havent had any of our outfield players consistenly putting the ball in the net. We look to our strikers, naturally, but we should be looking at all our players, when they see the goal and have the ball, to hit a shot on target. And for so long, we havent had that.

your are right but as i said the ball is being put into the right place but the striker is not there.
raheem sterling  is putting great balls in all the time, if he was playing for man u right now almost every ball he is putting in would end in a goal, he is that good at it.

our striker have this thing that they ask for the ball to be put at their feet...it dont work like that, you put a ball into the are that the striker should be in. but as you say this has been the same under the last 3 managers...........but i did have a dream last night we wone a game 8-0 just after beating another team 9-0. could it be about to change lol

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

The problem LFC have is a problem that has been around since the Rafa days, sticking the ball in the back of the net.  Throughout the team we dont have a consistent base of who can score goals. Even Gerrard has gone off that radar. People say we need a striker, we dont, we need ALL our players to learn where the goal is, and how to direct the ball towards it. Skrtel did well last season from set pieces, but for a long time we havent had any of our outfield players consistenly putting the ball in the net. We look to our strikers, naturally, but we should be looking at all our players, when they see the goal and have the ball, to hit a shot on target. And for so long, we havent had that.

i`d agree with that, in our heyday we got goals from all over the place, we had a fullback in the 60`s and 70`s called chris lawler who scored more goals for this club than dirk kuyt, and lawler never took a single penalty.
look how many important goals phil neal and alan kennedy scored for us, neal scored in 2 european cup finals and kennedy himself scored the winner in 81 and scored in the penalty shoot out in 84 so i suppose technically he scored in 2 himself.
the midfield of kennedy, mcdermott, souness and case all weighed in with goals, even the `holding player` souness would chip in with 6 or 7 a season (mostly long range thunderbolts) and at the other end of the scale mcdermott would be challenging the strikers for the top scorer accolade.
add to that lot a prolific strike partnership and you have one hell of a team.

as you say these days we just dont get enough goals from other area`s of the pitch which puts a lot of pressure on our front players.
suarez is actually doing well, he`s scored 7 goals in our last 9 games but he needs others to help out.

[Thommo's perm]

The problem LFC have is a problem that has been around since the Rafa days, sticking the ball in the back of the net.  Throughout the team we dont have a consistent base of who can score goals. Even Gerrard has gone off that radar. People say we need a striker, we dont, we need ALL our players to learn where the goal is, and how to direct the ball towards it. Skrtel did well last season from set pieces, but for a long time we havent had any of our outfield players consistenly putting the ball in the net. We look to our strikers, naturally, but we should be looking at all our players, when they see the goal and have the ball, to hit a shot on target. And for so long, we havent had that.

i`d agree with that, in our heyday we got goals from all over the place, we had a fullback in the 60`s and 70`s called chris lawler who scored more goals for this club than dirk kuyt, and lawler never took a single penalty.
look how many important goals phil neal and alan kennedy scored for us, neal scored in 2 european cup finals and kennedy himself scored the winner in 81 and scored in the penalty shoot out in 84 so i suppose technically he scored in 2 himself.
the midfield of kennedy, mcdermott, souness and case all weighed in with goals, even the `holding player` souness would chip in with 6 or 7 a season (mostly long range thunderbolts) and at the other end of the scale mcdermott would be challenging the strikers for the top scorer accolade.
add to that lot a prolific strike partnership and you have one hell of a team.

as you say these days we just dont get enough goals from other area`s of the pitch which puts a lot of pressure on our front players.
suarez is actually doing well, he`s scored 7 goals in our last 9 games but he needs others to help out.

Absolutely correct! That was the "secret" to our success, which purple nose copied with great effect.
I do believe Rodgers is trying to develop this again, but we need the players to have more bottle and stop leaving it up to Suarez to score.