ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Mon May 25, 2015 11:44 am wrote:Plus as a side note I'd like to mention that changing the manager will change nothing. In a couple of years time we'll be back here in the same place listening to the whiners.
ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Mon May 25, 2015 11:26 am wrote:only me » Mon May 25, 2015 10:23 am wrote:ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Mon May 25, 2015 9:50 am wrote:As I said for 18 months he had us playing not just good football but some of the best stuff I have ever seen out of any Liverpool side ever. Sixth isn't great but it's not sackable imo, I didn't think Dalglish should go after finishing eigth so it's a bit rich for me to start calling for someone to go after finishing sixth.
This time last year we missed out on the title by a whisker, imo he hasn't done enough wrong to warrant sacking him just 12 months after going closer to the title than any Liverpool manager in the last quarter of a century.
Does that mean I'm happy with this season or happy with sixth? Of course it doesn't but as I said finishing sixth and getting to 2 semi finals doesn't warrant the sack.
Others may feel differently, that's up to them.
Yakka everyone is entitled to their own opinion but ffs at least address the points raised ,no one said he should be sacked due to us finishing 6th ,it's you talking to yourself.
He should be fired for an epic fck up in team building and preparation this year, For a criminal waste of funds with no return on investment, For lack of preparation (tactics/Mental) for every crucial game we had this season ,for sticking to failing tactics and failing players in wrong positions ,for humiliating the fan base and Liverpool name.
And you know what ,we missed on a title last year because he was unable to bring ONE quality player in the January transfer windows ,another glorious fck up. He has no sense as to the cards at his disposal and what needs to be done to achieve success.
Who gives a fck over 6th place?
Of course where you finish is important, in fact it's the most important thing, everything else is a means to an end.
But I'll address some of your points anyway, let's start with player recruitment.
We know for a fact that when FSG first arrived here they talked about revolutionising how transfers were done in this country and talked about how they couldn't believe how football clubs spent tens of millions on players based on nothing more than one man's opinion (i.e the manager).
After we signed Hendo Comoli was actually in the papers bragging that he was a classic moneyball signing so we know for a fact that the owners don't take a backseat in terms of player recruitment, don't get me wrong I'm not saying they pick the players but they certainly set guidelines.
We also know that Rodgers has made plenty of comments against this philosophy, i.e at the end of last season he said he only wanted 1 or 2 quality players, not a raft of squad players and he also made comments about signing too manny young players.
There's certainly enough circumstantial evidence out there to suggest that the manager hasn't got full control over our transfer dealings and doesn't always agree with some of the decisions made, am I saying he hasn't got an input? Of course not but having an input is not the same as having full control.
Look at the Balotelli situation, it was obvious Brendan didn't want him but the club sensed a bargain and brought him in anyway, the problem with that though is straight away you have dressing room problems, the player knows the manager didn't want him so straight away there's tension.
I'm not saying Rodgers hasn't made mistakes, the way he kept on playing Gerrard as a DM was infuriating but I believe he's had a lot on his plate this season in terms of dressing room squabbles and leaks to the press (Gerrard and Lovren squaring up to each other etc) and I think he has shown enough when things have been going well that he deserves more time.
Considering what he had to deal with - 9 players being brought in, Sturridge out the entire season, dressing room squabbles, Gerrards contract situation and subsequent decision to leave, the new signings not hitting the ground running, Sterling giving unsanctioned interviews to the BBC and wanting to leave, the Balotelli situation, press leaks regarding the role of the transfer committee, mingolets dramatic loss of form etc I think he's done about par.
And imo par isn't enough to lose your job.
ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Mon May 25, 2015 11:44 am wrote:Plus as a side note I'd like to mention that changing the manager will change nothing. In a couple of years time we'll be back here in the same place listening to the whiners.
Since the turn of the century our fans have whinged their way through CL finals, FA cup finals, League cup finals, UEFA cup finals and second place finishes in the league, they can't help themselves and a disappointing season is almost like manna from heaven for them because they can set their whinge-ometers up to 11.
I knew when I saw some of the personal abuse levelled at Hodgson that this club had changed for the worse, and that was confirmed to me when I saw the amount of stick Kenny took, Kenny was a man who dragged this club up off its knee's in the wake of Heysel and went to 96 funerals after Hillsborough but that meant nothing to the mob frothing at the mouth over the Carroll signing. Now it's Brendan's turn, 12 months after going as close to any Liverpool manager in the last 25 years to winning the title the fans have turned on him in similar vitriolic style.
YNWA
ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Mon May 25, 2015 11:44 am wrote:Plus as a side note I'd like to mention that changing the manager will change nothing. In a couple of years time we'll be back here in the same place listening to the whiners.
Since the turn of the century our fans have whinged their way through CL finals, FA cup finals, League cup finals, UEFA cup finals and second place finishes in the league, they can't help themselves and a disappointing season is almost like manna from heaven for them because they can set their whinge-ometers up to 11.
I knew when I saw some of the personal abuse levelled at Hodgson that this club had changed for the worse, and that was confirmed to me when I saw the amount of stick Kenny took, Kenny was a man who dragged this club up off its knee's in the wake of Heysel and went to 96 funerals after Hillsborough but that meant nothing to the mob frothing at the mouth over the Carroll signing. Now it's Brendan's turn, 12 months after going as close to any Liverpool manager in the last 25 years to winning the title the fans have turned on him in similar vitriolic style.
YNWA
Reg » Mon May 25, 2015 11:16 am wrote:red till i die!! » Mon May 25, 2015 5:34 pm wrote:All week he has been going on about how he was 150% sure he was going to be here next season and his end of season meeting was just a formality. That performance yesterday showed how much those players are really behind him. In 3 years he has brought no less than 5 strikers in and we played this season mostly without one Even the makeshift one who he left out as his head wasn't right was probably delighted with himself sat there watching us get demolished.
Take your pay off brendan and then put your name down for the newcastle or westham job
Lets not forget that Rafa's initial purchases were horrible as well... thats football for you.
During Rafael Benitez' six-year tenure as manager of Liverpool, he oversaw the purchase of 59 players and the depature of 72. Approximately £230,000,000 was spent on players under the leadership of Benitez at an average of approximately £3,900,000 per player, whilst approximately £162,000,000 was recouped from players sales. This equates to a net spend of approximately £68,000,000 on transfers, at an average of £11,300,000 per year.
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Player From Fee Date
Josemi Malaga £2,000,000 26 July 2004
Antonio Nunez Real Madrid £1,500,000 17 August 2004
Xabi Alonso Real Sociedad £10,700,000 20 August 2004
Luis Garcia Barcelona £6,000,000 20 August 2004
Mauricio Pellegrino Valencia Free 5 January 2005
Fernando Morientes Real Madrid £6,300,000 13 January 2005
Scott Carson Leeds £1,000,000 21 January 2005
Boudewijn Zenden Free Transfer Free 4 July 2005
Pepe Reina Villarreal £6,000,000 4 July 2005
Antonio Barragan Sevilla £240,000 4 July 2005
Momo Sissoko Valencia £5,600,000 14 July 2005
Peter Crouch Southampton £7,000,000 20 July 2005
Miki Roque Lleidav Unknown 15 August 2005
Jack Hobbs Lincoln £150,000 18 August 2005
Besian Idrizaj LASK Linz £190,000 22 August 2005
Mark Gonzalez Albacete £1,500,000 20 October 2005
Paul Anderson Hull Swap 1 January 2006
Jan Kromkamp Villarreal Swap 4 January 2006
David Martin MK Dons £250,000 12 January 2006
Daniel Agger Brondby £5,800,000 12 January 2006
Robbie Fowler Man City Free 27 January 2006
Craig Bellamy Blackburn £6,000,000 1 July 2006
Gabriel Paletta Banfield £2,000,000 4 July 2006
Fabio Aurelio Valencia Free 5 July 2006
Jermaine Pennant Birmingham £6,700,000 26 July 2006
Dirk Kuyt Feyenoord £9,000,000 18 August 2006
Nabil El Zhar St Etienne £200,000 21 August 2006
Astrit Ajdarevic Falkenberg £750,000 11 January 2007
Daniele Padelli Sampdoria Loan 12 January 2007
Jordy Brouwer Ajax Undisclosed 24 January 2007
Francisco Manuel Duran Malaga £66,000 30 January 2007
Alvaro Arbeloa Deportivo £2,500,000 31 January 2007
Javier Mascherano West Ham Loan 20 February 2007
Lucas Gremio £5,000,000 11 May 2007
Krisztian Nemeth MTK Hungaria Undisclosed 25 May 2007
Mikel San Jose Athletic Bilbao £270,000 28 June 2007
Sebastian Leto Lanús £1,800,000 1 July 2007
Fernando Torres Atletico Madrid £20,200,000 4 July 2007
Andriy Voronin Leverkusen Free 6 July 2007
Yossi Benayoun West Ham £5,000,000 12 July 2007
Ryan Babel Ajax £11,500,000 13 July 2007
Charles Itandje Lens Undisclosed 9 August 2007
Emiliano Insua Boca Juniors £1,300,000 26 August 2007
Lauri Dalla Valle JIPPO £600,000 8 November 2007
Martin Skrtel Zenit St Petersburg £6,500,000 11 January 2008
Javier Mascherano Media Sports Investment £18,600,000 29 February 2008
Philipp Degen Borussia Dortmund Free 3 July 2008
Andrea Dossena Udinese £7,000,000 4 July 2008
Diego Cavalieri Palmeiras £3,500,000 11 July 2008
David N'Gog Paris St Germain £1,500,000 24 July 2008
Robbie Keane Tottenham £19,000,000 28 July 2008
Albert Riera Espanyol £8,000,000 31 August 2008
Glen Johnson Portsmouth £17,500,000 26 June 2009
Alberto Aquilani Roma £17,100,000 7 August 2009
Sotirios Kyrgiakos AEK Athens £2,000,000 21 August 2009
Daniel Ayala Sevilla £160,000 17 September 2009
Maxi Rodriguez Atletico Madrid Free 12 January 2010
Raheem Sterling Queens Park Rangers £600,000 27 February 2010
Jonjo Shelvey Charlton £1,700,000 10 May 2010
Milan Jovanovic Standard Liege Free 8 July 2010
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Bobo Zenden anyone ?? :laugh:
Homebooby » Mon May 25, 2015 1:18 pm wrote:I've avoided contributing to the inevitable misery that is being repeated here too much, but as it's the end of the season I have to say that I am v. surprised at how things fell apart. Genuinely I had faith in BR and I had faith in the team and I really saw a chance of us repeating the close season in the same way as we did last year. I tried not to jump on the bandwagon at the beginning of the season and was quietly confident that I would be shown to be right as we turned things around post ManU in December. this was always going to be a tough season and I really feel for BR having to navigate the Suarez situation as well as Carra and Stevie in their twilight years and inevitable moving on. To be fair, I thought that he had handled it mostly with aplomb.
Which leads me to the last month or so...quite what has gone wrong I do not know and it has led me to believe that BR has lost the dressing room and that his position is almost untenable. No matter what he does from here on in, he'll be 3 games away from 'sacking headlines' and I don't think the club an afford that. I do not for the life of me understand how any 20 year old can destabilise a club so much and that points to a total lack of control at the club. I cannot imagine Fergie allowing that to happen, nor Van Gaal and certainly no one from the 60's up to Kenny's first departure. It's like the Spice Boys on crack and it needs to have the rot stopped by someone and fast.
If BR had the pull for the big players that we so desperately need to stop us from slipping further down the table, I would be 100% behind him, but honesty prevents me from saying that hand on heart.
If BR had an impressive history of titles and championships to bitchslap any dissenters with, ditto, but that is not the case
If BR was brave enough to bring someone in to work in the bootroom that was more successful than he's been, then that would even be a start ,but I can't see Mr. Pascoe and co going anywhere...this is the gravy train and the best shot they'll most likely ever get......I wouldn't give it up.
Don't get me wrong, when we really play, we play some of the best football I have seen us playing since I was a kid. I love it and point to it as everything that Liverpool stood for and should strive to be....but that isn't enough any more...which bring me back to the initial point
Even if BR does hang on (and lord knows it's the liverpool way) he'll be 3 losses away from the sack from now on and that essentially makes his position untenable.
The only man on the market at the moment who can sort most of the above out is Jurgen Klopp. He's won stuff, he's got credibility coming out of his ears, he's capable of attracting top class players to Liverpool, he should sort out the dissent and get everyone in line, he might even attract Carra back to the club as I think he's keeping his distance until something that looks like it might stand a chance comes along. He's also got the class of a Liverpool manager, watch that last speech he made a couple of days ago....class, class, class, class, class......he'll fit right in.
It pains me to say it, but Brendan stands no chance from now on here....he's become the story as they say and when you're the story, you're over.
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