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[Kenny Kan]

I certainly don't blame anyone if they're skeptical of our owners - I'm on the fence, not convinced either way tbh.

Pulls big splinter out of big @rse.

[eds]

I think you will actually find  that it is their club and if FSG's behaviour over the Suarez debacle hasn't convinced you of their commitment then I don't know what will.

Let me explain something to you sunshine, Henry and co are custodians of our club, nothing more, nothing less. Just like Hicks and Gillette before them.

Whether our club is sold to a yank in a business suit that knows nothing about the game, or a rich sheik or rusky tycoon our CLUB will never belong to one individual.

The club has always and will always be owned by the fans, don't be fooled by anyone or anything that tells you otherwise.

As for them talking tough on Suarez, let's see them back that up with bringing in quality players or a future stadium before we start hollering out like a shonky Evangelist preacher how faultless they are.

No need for the patronising "sunshine" shit. We are (well most of us) all grown ups. I was making a factually statement and wether we like it or not FSG own us and are slightly more than custodians. I love your passion and desire but it isn't going to take five minutes to sort out the mess created by H & G followed by Comolli and Kenny. Let's not forget Rafa's last twelve months which didn't actually help either.I just get totally fed up with fans giving FSG down the banks and questioning their worthiness.What exactly was the some that FSG allowed Comolli and Kenny to spend?

Ahhhh that old chestnut......we haven't progressed because of H & G or Rafa, you know from..................three years ago.........       

First of all these owner's bought Kenny and Commolli in, it was their call, no one else's, not Tweedle Dee or Tweedle Dum, not Rafa, not the fans, not the players, not the media or anyone else. Just like Roman gets slated for bringing in a new manager (or two) every season at Cheatski, there is no reason why fans can't be critical of FSG and the poor football management under their watch. Ultimately the buck falls with them, after all they are (in your words) "slightly more than custodians".

Why are you getting fed up with fans having a go at mediocrity and being vocal of being stuck in mid-table oblivion? Most of us don't want stingy owners that aren't willing to invest in capable players, who are required to take us to 4th and beyond. The same stingy owners who have done f**k all about the stadium that they promised with getting started on THREE years ago. So Kenny and Commolli spent a bit of money, at the end of the day the net spend wasn't as much as you're creaming yourself over, just under 35m in 1 and a half seasons. I'm wondering how much of that was actually the owner's money? But that's OK that sum is soooooooo extravagant that when a new manager came in wanting to rebuild the squad they took the best approach of burying their heads in the sand all the while saying there was money to spend.

There sure is money to spend, but where is it all, if the Downing sale goes through our net spend this transfer this window would be something like $-4m. And that's not including the wages they have decreased in the last few years and increases in revenue we have had as a club. Cha-Ching! Did anyone say profit?

That's OK give me the red pill you took mate, I want the deluded gaga s**t that makes you convinced we are building something here.             

[eds]

It is likely that FSG are tidying up the accounts to sell for big profit. If it's true, I hope it will materialise a.s.a.p. Under FSG, we'll remain either midtable or around 5th to 8th place finish every season and no way are we going to qualify for CL under those cowboy owners. To be successful in the PL, the owners need to back the manager with the funds that he needs. BR have not been backed enough to significantly strengthen the squad. Look at City and Chelsea, I am getting envious of them. The champions next season will be one of those 2. Just because we're Liverpool with ambitions and glorious history doesn't mean we have the licence to be among the elite, the past 23 years have proven it to be false. Like the hare, the club has been asleep for far too long and let the City, Chelsea, Arsenal, manure turtles overtaken us by miles and the gap is widening every summer.

how clueless does a person have to be? you have ZERO idea on anything Liverpool FC related.

are you benny under a new name? you post just like him. 

Cowboy owners? These are the guys who now have our accounts in a decent state rather than carrying the debt of a small country. These are the guys that allowed Comolli and Kenny to spend a small fortune. These are the guys that have just told Arsenal to shove their £40m....

Give it a fkg rest.........

Do you think they got rid of our debt out of the "kindness of their hearts"? They did it knowing fully well that with their model they could sell us at a profit some point in the future.

"Small fortune?" What small fortune are you talking about? How much money did we make in that time? Hmmm curious you don't include the sale of one certain Judas in all of this........

As for telling Arsenal to f**k off, it was expected. Nothing to crow about.

We won't give it a rest until they start investing in our club mate. Otherwise they can do one.

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

fsg have made tons of mistakes, probably too many to list, but since last summer they have made a lot of good decisions, not least john henry flying 2,000 miles to speak at the hillsborough memorial. they might be getting the hang of this footy lark.

[devaney]

Eds - Calm down !! Calm down !!

So let's give FSG credit for absolutely fk all. You seem to conveniently ignore the fact that they could have simply kept a very substantial amount of the money that they allowed Comolli and Kenny to spend, actually it's a bit of a pity they didn't !! Well certainly £55m of it anyway that was squandered on Carroll and Downing who were bought to move the club forward. That didn't quite work did it. 

And if your giving them no credit for the way they have handled Luis then it is pointless debating this any further. Again you miss the point that if they are as bad as you make out they could have sold Luis to Arsenal and kept most of the £40m.

Is it really such a bad thing for a businessman to buy a football club with the shocking thought that he could make a profit in the future?

I'm sure FSG did not make any promises regarding the ground. After Gillette's "spade in the ground" gaff they have been very careful not to commit themselves with regard to the ground.

Just trying to keep the glass half full mate. I accept that it is not a bed of roses but I also accept that FSG have never claimed to be a registered charity.

[devaney]

Eds - Calm down !! Calm down !!

So let's give FSG credit for absolutely fk all. You seem to conveniently ignore the fact that they could have simply kept a very substantial amount of the money that they allowed Comolli and Kenny to spend, actually it's a bit of a pity they didn't !! Well certainly £55m of it anyway that was squandered on Carroll and Downing who were bought to move the club forward. That didn't quite work did it. 

And if your giving them no credit for the way they have handled Luis then it is pointless debating this any further. Again you miss the point that if they are as bad as you make out they could have sold Luis to Arsenal and kept most of the £40m.

Is it really such a bad thing for a businessman to buy a football club with the shocking thought that he could make a profit in the future?

I'm sure FSG did not make any promises regarding the ground. After Gillette's "spade in the ground" gaff they have been very careful not to commit themselves with regard to the ground.

Just trying to keep the glass half full mate. I accept that it is not a bed of roses but I also accept that FSG have never claimed to be a registered charity.

[SouthCoastShankly]

Eds - Calm down !! Calm down !!

So let's give FSG credit for absolutely fk all. You seem to conveniently ignore the fact that they could have simply kept a very substantial amount of the money that they allowed Comolli and Kenny to spend, actually it's a bit of a pity they didn't !! Well certainly £55m of it anyway that was squandered on Carroll and Downing who were bought to move the club forward. That didn't quite work did it. 

And if your giving them no credit for the way they have handled Luis then it is pointless debating this any further. Again you miss the point that if they are as bad as you make out they could have sold Luis to Arsenal and kept most of the £40m.

Is it really such a bad thing for a businessman to buy a football club with the shocking thought that he could make a profit in the future?

I sure FSG did not make any promises regarding the ground. After Gillette's "spade in the ground" gaff they have been very careful not to commit themselves with regard to the ground.

Just trying to keep the glass half full mate. I accept that it is not a bed of roses but I also accept that FSG have never claimed to be a registered charity.

On the stadium issue, the last word from the club was they were finalising compulsory purchase orders. Now anyone who has worked with council bureaucracy before will know the timescales of decision making, they ain't fast. Combined with the legal aspect of homeowners refusing to sell, you can see how the problem becomes long and drawn out.

[Benny The Noon]

It is likely that FSG are tidying up the accounts to sell for big profit. If it's true, I hope it will materialise a.s.a.p. Under FSG, we'll remain either midtable or around 5th to 8th place finish every season and no way are we going to qualify for CL under those cowboy owners. To be successful in the PL, the owners need to back the manager with the funds that he needs. BR have not been backed enough to significantly strengthen the squad. Look at City and Chelsea, I am getting envious of them. The champions next season will be one of those 2. Just because we're Liverpool with ambitions and glorious history doesn't mean we have the licence to be among the elite, the past 23 years have proven it to be false. Like the hare, the club has been asleep for far too long and let the City, Chelsea, Arsenal, manure turtles overtaken us by miles and the gap is widening every summer.

These set of Americans are the champions of mediocrity - they don't have a clue about the game of football and what it means. The worst thing is we now have fans accepting the mediocrity.

[SouthCoastShankly]

It is likely that FSG are tidying up the accounts to sell for big profit. If it's true, I hope it will materialise a.s.a.p. Under FSG, we'll remain either midtable or around 5th to 8th place finish every season and no way are we going to qualify for CL under those cowboy owners. To be successful in the PL, the owners need to back the manager with the funds that he needs. BR have not been backed enough to significantly strengthen the squad. Look at City and Chelsea, I am getting envious of them. The champions next season will be one of those 2. Just because we're Liverpool with ambitions and glorious history doesn't mean we have the licence to be among the elite, the past 23 years have proven it to be false. Like the hare, the club has been asleep for far too long and let the City, Chelsea, Arsenal, manure turtles overtaken us by miles and the gap is widening every summer.

These set of Americans are the champions of mediocrity - they don't have a clue about the game of football and what it means. The worst thing is we now have fans accepting the mediocrity.

No the worse thing is we have a minority of support, like you, who are entirely unrepresentative of the view of the fanbase - yet spam forums like this with your loudmouth nonsense.

[Benny The Noon]

Minority ? Really - wouldn't be so sure about that SCS.

We do have fans like you who believe in fantasy and accept the mediocre actions we currently see within the club. When we get nowhere near the CL once again the maybe reality will dawn.

No doubt the Dortmund model ( again never worked in this league ) will be the fantasy dream some try and grab onto.

[SouthCoastShankly]

Minority ? Really - wouldn't be so sure about that SCS.

We do have fans like you who believe in fantasy and accept the mediocre actions we currently see within the club. When we get nowhere near the CL once again the maybe reality will dawn.

No doubt the Dortmund model ( again never worked in this league ) will be the fantasy dream some try and grab onto.

Oh i'm very sure. The vast majority of us supporters are optimistic about this season. I challenge you to prove me wrong.

Of course we want more than what has been achieved, that isn't accepting mediocrity it is understanding the problems the clubs faces and being realistic at the rate of progression we can achieve. You continually complain about so many aspects of the club, you continually promote an agenda against the manager, you continually post negativity.

[heimdall]

Minority ? Really - wouldn't be so sure about that SCS.

We do have fans like you who believe in fantasy and accept the mediocre actions we currently see within the club. When we get nowhere near the CL once again the maybe reality will dawn.

No doubt the Dortmund model ( again never worked in this league ) will be the fantasy dream some try and grab onto.

Oh i'm very sure. The vast majority of us supporters are optimistic about this season. I challenge you to prove me wrong.

Of course we want more than what has been achieved, that isn't accepting mediocrity it is understanding the problems the clubs faces and being realistic at the rate of progression we can achieve. You continually complain about so many aspects of the club, you continually promote an agenda against the manager, you continually post negativity.

I'd give up, I've yet to see Benny post anything positive about anything ever, he's just a miserable git, intent on foisting his manic depression onto everyone else.

[only me]

Minority ? Really - wouldn't be so sure about that SCS.

We do have fans like you who believe in fantasy and accept the mediocre actions we currently see within the club. When we get nowhere near the CL once again the maybe reality will dawn.

No doubt the Dortmund model ( again never worked in this league ) will be the fantasy dream some try and grab onto.

What would you consider NOT Mediocre actions? Splashing mad money which the owner don't have? It's called reality ,we have financial sound owners which got burnt on reckless signings and are demonstrating caution yet willing to pull the trigger if BR finds his target.

All good.

[Benny The Noon]

What position do the majority of this forum think we will finish SCS -  I do believe 6th has the most votes.

It's a mirror image amongst many other forums that we will finish 6th

And you think I'm in the minority because I think we will also finish 6th and be nowhere near CL

I don't rate the ability the owners to get us where we want. I don't rate the squad and I don't rate the ability of the manager and so far the achievements and track record in the game backs up my thinking - achieved nothing but mid table mediocrity and I believe it will continue once again this season.

I complain about so many aspects of the club because currently there are so many aspects of the club that I believe are below the standards I want to see at the club.

[Benny The Noon]

Minority ? Really - wouldn't be so sure about that SCS.

We do have fans like you who believe in fantasy and accept the mediocre actions we currently see within the club. When we get nowhere near the CL once again the maybe reality will dawn.

No doubt the Dortmund model ( again never worked in this league ) will be the fantasy dream some try and grab onto.

What would you consider NOT Mediocre actions? Splashing mad money which the owner don't have? It's called reality ,we have financial sound owners which got burnt on reckless signings and are demonstrating caution yet willing to pull the trigger if BR finds his target.

All good.

Look at the signings Spurs have made - guess why they have spent a bit of money to buy quality players ? To get them to CL football - that's what I want to see from the owners.

If the owners don't have money to spend £40mil a year on transfers ( without selling ) then I would ask where the money the club earns is going. And the owners are billionaires - there is nothing stopping then putting money into the club to build/fund a stadium or squad