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[heimdall]

The horrible realisation that IF we had beaten Villa at home and West Brom then we would be 3 points off 4th, that hurts.

Of course it hurts, but it's no reason for people to post in a manner that seems they are about to set themselves on fire.

ZOMG we aren't going to finish fourth.


Psst, We haven't finished in the top four, or even been close for four years.

Well that's ok then, its just another year of failure and we are getting more than used to that these days!

[KingKennyDalglish :)]

Rodgers should be sacked asap

[Benny The Noon]

Rodgers should be sacked asap

Go take your face for a Sh*t

[friendlyguy33]

Since Souness stepped down, we've had Evans, Houllier, Rafa as managers who managed to finish in top 4 during most of their tenure and what happened to them? They were all terminated. Now we have BR as manager who will most likely finish mid table or somewhere above mid table at best and I am 100% certain he will not receive the same treatment as those 3 former managers. This shows how low Liverpool have sunk, those 3 were fired because they couldn't win the league, now we have a manager who will finish mid table and will still be kept.

I am not anti BR, he could be the next B.Shankly given ample time, it's possible but appointing him last summer was a huge gamble because he has no track record of winning any trophies and in fact his CV looks bad, fired at Reading and finished mid table with Watford. We are dicing with the unknown here in appointing BR. I am still in the opinion that firing Rafa was a grave mistake. Look at his track record, he won the La Liga twice, World Club Cup, FA Cup and of course the CL trophy and just one bad season finishing 7th was enough to cost him his job. Can BR finish 7th this season? It will be difficult.

So we now have a young manager with potential but who is not the finished article yet to manage a side like Liverpool with high expectations. To me, it just doesn't fit. A club like Liverpool needs to appoint a high profile manager like Rafa was in 2004.

Brendan was in charge of Watford for 28 games in the championship his win percentage was 39.29% 40 goals scored 40 conceded hardly that disastrous. At Reading his record was worse but he was only in charge for 21 games there.

Rafa won the World Club Cup with a squad he inherited he lost the final of the same tournament with Liverpool in 2005. The two La Liga titles were won with about 23/24 wins each time. In the premiership you need to win at least 26/27 games to win the title. He reached 25 wins twice at Liverpool the first time when Chelsea were dominating under Mourinho the second time in a season which saw 7 home draws at Anfield. Then he replaced Alonso with an injured player.

History might show since Benitez left that he should have been retained but in terms of going back in football it rarely works. Brendan has the ability to learn and develop as a manager but in terms of his lack of experience at the top level the catch 22 Liverpool were in being outside the champions league places meant that a lesser known appointment was likely in order to build going forward. That said I suspect that next season will probably decide Brendan's long term future.

[The Good Yank]

The horrible realisation that IF we had beaten Villa at home and West Brom then we would be 3 points off 4th, that hurts.

Of course it hurts, but it's no reason for people to post in a manner that seems they are about to set themselves on fire.

ZOMG we aren't going to finish fourth.


Psst, We haven't finished in the top four, or even been close for four years.

Well that's ok then, its just another year of failure and we are getting more than used to that these days!

Look mate, I'm not saying I'm over the moon with the way this season has gone, far from it.  Sure things could have gone better.  A couple of tough ref decisions early on, a disallowed goal in the Derby.  I don't think it's gone as bad as some seem to indicate.

The thing about this is that it is a process.  Was always going to be.  And yes that process is going to be painful at times.  For me this is the first season since 08-09 that actually seems that there is a direction and a plan in place to take the club forward.  It's not going to be easy.  It's not going to happen overnight.  But I am behind the manager and his project.  This isn't about getting the club set up to be great once.  This is a project to stabilize and take forward the club to become a perrenial threat to winning.

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

rodgers does seem to be a decent coach, i`m as big a fan of kenny as anyone but even i have to admit that the football has improved a lot under brendan, infact it`s improved to the extent where we are probably the most entertaining side to watch in the division.
not sure that i`m totally convinced about his judgement in the transfer market just yet but overall we seem to be moving inthe right direction.
i know it looks like we arent going to finish in the top 4 and we certainly wont be winning any silverware this season either but it`s hard to be too critical when we are putting in performances like the ones against zenit and swansea.
if we could do that week in week out we wouldnt be title contenders we`d be title winners.

[woof woof !]

rodgers does seem to be a decent coach, i`m as big a fan of kenny as anyone but even i have to admit that the football has improved a lot under brendan, infact it`s improved to the extent where we are probably the most entertaining side to watch in the division.
not sure that i`m totally convinced about his judgement in the transfer market just yet but overall we seem to be moving inthe right direction.
i know it looks like we arent going to finish in the top 4 and we certainly wont be winning any silverware this season either but it`s hard to be too critical when we are putting in performances like the ones against zenit and swansea.
if we could do that week in week out we wouldnt be title contenders we`d be title winners.

Yeah, despite some early reservations he's gradually winning me around. We've played some really good stuff this season and with a bit more luck we'd have been a lot higher than we currently stand.

If Suarez stays and we can sort out some of our defensive errors I'm convinced we can achieve a top four finish next season 

I feel like a kid the night before Xmas such is my expectancy of what Santa's gonna bring me   

[stmichael]

you'r e right there woof. we need 2 or 3 defenders in the summer imo. definitely a left back and 2 aerially dominant centre halves (presuming we decide to cash in on skrtel).

[eds]

I'm still not convinced on Dodgers but its stupid to be calling for his head not even one season into the job.

He hasn't set the world alight with his signings, Sturridge has been good value but you can argue that Allen really wasn't needed for 15 million?

Fingers crossed Coutinho becomes a great signing but I have no idea about Joe. As for Borini he should be f**ked off back to Italy as soon as we get an offer, any offer.

I think we should all be reserving judgement until the last few matches of this season are played out, seeing as we have no cup fixtures to look forward to. 

The one thing I am frustrated is that there is no one at the club that can sense check what this young and unexperienced manager is doing, not necessarily a DoF but someone that can look over his shoulder and give him some guidance for the short term. I am really, really worried at the calibre of players he has available in his limited network. Being linked to players like Ashley Williams doesn't help either.   

The signings we make come the end of the season, will be pivotal on how competitive we are for the next few years. I think a lot of my love and affection for this club will die if he manages to bring in more dross like we have had over the last few years. It's a tough challenge, not being able to pay the wages City or Chelsea can offer and not being able to offer CL footy like Manure or (its looking almost certain) Tottenham. That's why I have always been an advocate of taking risks on players like Coutinho. That's the only way we can compete now, having a world class scouting network that can bring these players in and MORE importantly keep them when the harpies start to circle. Just like the situation we face with Suarez once this season ends.

In terms of playing style, formations and tactics I can't say we have well and truly progressed from last season. The games where we go "missing" needs to stop and Dodgers needs to start sorting this out now. No point thrashing Swansea one week and then losing to the likes of dare I say it, Wigan this weekend? Also he needs to stop the jibber jabber in the media, his idiotic comments at times are downright embarrasing and he needs to take a step back from the "PR" side of his job and knuckle down to the bread and butter of being a hard working manager.   

I really hope Brendan makes it with us, we can all sense there is something there but we need to see more of it, now more than ever as the season comes to a close.

[only me]

I'm still not convinced on Dodgers but its stupid to be calling for his head not even one season into the job.

He hasn't set the world alight with his signings, Sturridge has been good value but you can argue that Allen really wasn't needed for 15 million?

Fingers crossed Coutinho becomes a great signing but I have no idea about Joe. As for Borini he should be f**ked off back to Italy as soon as we get an offer, any offer.

I think we should all be reserving judgement until the last few matches of this season are played out, seeing as we have no cup fixtures to look forward to. 

The one thing I am frustrated is that there is no one at the club that can sense check what this young and unexperienced manager is doing, not necessarily a DoF but someone that can look over his shoulder and give him some guidance for the short term. I am really, really worried at the calibre of players he has available in his limited network. Being linked to players like Ashley Williams doesn't help either.   

The signings we make come the end of the season, will be pivotal on how competitive we are for the next few years. I think a lot of my love and affection for this club will die if he manages to bring in more dross like we have had over the last few years. It's a tough challenge, not being able to pay the wages City or Chelsea can offer and not being able to offer CL footy like Manure or (its looking almost certain) Tottenham. That's why I have always been an advocate of taking risks on players like Coutinho. That's the only way we can compete now, having a world class scouting network that can bring these players in and MORE importantly keep them when the harpies start to circle. Just like the situation we face with Suarez once this season ends.

In terms of playing style, formations and tactics I can't say we have well and truly progressed from last season. The games where we go "missing" needs to stop and Dodgers needs to start sorting this out now. No point thrashing Swansea one week and then losing to the likes of dare I say it, Wigan this weekend? Also he needs to stop the jibber jabber in the media, his idiotic comments at times are downright embarrasing and he needs to take a step back from the "PR" side of his job and knuckle down to the bread and butter of being a hard working manager.   

I really hope Brendan makes it with us, we can all sense there is something there but we need to see more of it, now more than ever as the season comes to a close.

In terms of playing style, formations and tactics I can't say we have well and truly progressed from last season?????

Simple advice ,when watching a game on the TV it's better doing it with your eyes open.

This team is miles better then last years when it comes to tactics ,positive play and ball control. The only thing keeping us from a CL spot was and is our mediocre clinical finishing. (now that DS is here we are much better). In most if not all the games we lost we were the better football team. Rodgers only major mistake in my opinion was the release of Carrol while not getting a decent replacement.

If one can't see the huge improvement from last year one must take a reality check.

[eds]

This team is miles better then last years.

           

I stop reading at this point

[Thommo's perm]

I'm still not convinced on Dodgers but its stupid to be calling for his head not even one season into the job.

He hasn't set the world alight with his signings, Sturridge has been good value but you can argue that Allen really wasn't needed for 15 million?

Fingers crossed Coutinho becomes a great signing but I have no idea about Joe. As for Borini he should be f**ked off back to Italy as soon as we get an offer, any offer.

I think we should all be reserving judgement until the last few matches of this season are played out, seeing as we have no cup fixtures to look forward to. 

The one thing I am frustrated is that there is no one at the club that can sense check what this young and unexperienced manager is doing, not necessarily a DoF but someone that can look over his shoulder and give him some guidance for the short term. I am really, really worried at the calibre of players he has available in his limited network. Being linked to players like Ashley Williams doesn't help either.   

The signings we make come the end of the season, will be pivotal on how competitive we are for the next few years. I think a lot of my love and affection for this club will die if he manages to bring in more dross like we have had over the last few years. It's a tough challenge, not being able to pay the wages City or Chelsea can offer and not being able to offer CL footy like Manure or (its looking almost certain) Tottenham. That's why I have always been an advocate of taking risks on players like Coutinho. That's the only way we can compete now, having a world class scouting network that can bring these players in and MORE importantly keep them when the harpies start to circle. Just like the situation we face with Suarez once this season ends.

In terms of playing style, formations and tactics I can't say we have well and truly progressed from last season. The games where we go "missing" needs to stop and Dodgers needs to start sorting this out now. No point thrashing Swansea one week and then losing to the likes of dare I say it, Wigan this weekend? Also he needs to stop the jibber jabber in the media, his idiotic comments at times are downright embarrasing and he needs to take a step back from the "PR" side of his job and knuckle down to the bread and butter of being a hard working manager.   

I really hope Brendan makes it with us, we can all sense there is something there but we need to see more of it, now more than ever as the season comes to a close.

Who is Dodgers?

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

we did have some excellent performances under kenny but i think generally speaking the football is now better under rodgers.
i`m not saying it`s perfect by any means and there are plenty of heart in mouth moments like for instance when when we start passing it around the back as the opposition press us, but in general i`d say we seem to have more control of games under rodgers.
i know rodgers cops a bit of flak for our inconsistency but in truth that word has been a millstone around every liverpool manager`s neck since kenny`s first spell, and if the likes of roy evans, gerrard houllier and rafa benitez never really got to grips with it (despite some good spells) over 15 years it`s a bit unrealistic to expect rodgers to sort it out in 7 months.
rodgers has done well to salvage a terrible first half of the season (which might have sunk many other managers) but i think his biggest challenge is yet to come, infact it comes after the season ends, if he can convince luis suarez to stay then i think the sky is the limit, i really do, because sturridge and suarez look as good as anything in the country to me, but if luis leaves i really dont know where we go from there, i really dont.

[woof woof !]

if he can convince luis suarez to stay then i think the sky is the limit, i really do, because sturridge and suarez look as good as anything in the country to me, but if luis leaves i really dont know where we go from there, i really dont.

If we can't hang on to Suarez I'd assume the money from his sale would be spent on another striker and strengthening our defence but I fear that unless we somehow unearth another diamond to add to our strike force it'll be a long time before we see Champions League football back at Anfield.

[7_Kewell]

I don't think suarez is going anywhere, not unless we needget a daft transfer offer for £60 million or something.

He's happy and there's clear signs that things are improving.