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[JC_81]

We weren't as bad yesterday as some are suggesting and as a team we are better than some are making out.

I don't have a problem with our system and the style Rodgers is trying to implement. He kept the team unchanged after a 4-0 win, hardly a criminal offence.

The problem is quality.  We are not going to win anything or qualify for CL with this squad but we do have the nucleus of a good side.

There aren't enough game changers. We have only got Suarez who can do this consistently. Gerrard isnt capable of it on a regular basis anymore and the likes of Suso and Sterling have it in them but are still too inexperienced to do it regularly either.

Let's not complicate things by picking holes in the tactics, formation etc.  The bottom line is good teams have good players and we just don't have enough at present.  It's painful to watch us at the moment though and I understand everyone's frustrations.

[JC_81]

We weren't as bad yesterday as some are suggesting and as a team we are better than some are making out.

I don't have a problem with our system and the style Rodgers is trying to implement. He kept the team unchanged after a 4-0 win, hardly a criminal offence.

The problem is quality.  We are not going to win anything or qualify for CL with this squad but we do have the nucleus of a good side.

There aren't enough game changers. We have only got Suarez who can do this consistently. Gerrard isnt capable of it on a regular basis anymore and the likes of Suso and Sterling have it in them but are still too inexperienced to do it regularly either.

Let's not complicate things by picking holes in the tactics, formation etc.  The bottom line is good teams have good players and we just don't have enough at present.  It's painful to watch us at the moment though and I understand everyone's frustrations.

[Thommo's perm]

Fsg wont allow a sub 10th place finish.

FSG are well aware of the strategy and obviously give it full support. This season is a building season to get rid of unwanted players and bring in young lads. Next season will be consolidation, young lads fighting for regular places whilst bringing in better/more experienced players once the budget permits. Its kinda what Rafa was doing but he was bringing in 16-17 year olds whereas Buck is bringing in 20-23 year olds - no new tricks on show, just building a young squad on a tight budget balanced against a frustrated fanbase. Yes, its' bl**dy frustrating especially for the awl b'stards on the forum.

Frustrating yes, but understandable considering what happened after KK left.
We are in this position because, as united grew and progressed, we didnt. They took up the "Liverpool Way" while we abandoned it, That purple nosed cu'nt modelled his team on us while we tried to do something "different". It has been a long and painful decline as as far as league titles go but dont forget in the time since moyes has been at everton we have won won 3 league cups, 2 fa cups, 1 eufa cup and the champions league (plus been to 2 more finals and lost). Thats not counting the super cup and the charity shields. We have lost our way in the Prem and we must find it again.
Shankly came in 1959 and took until 1962 to get us back in the first division, then another 2 years to win the league. We are in transition with our once inspirational captain becoming painfully uninspiring and a young inexperienced manager at the helm. I am optimistic that things will come right and we will progress, but it will take time, patience and support. If anyone thinks that by hounding Rodgers out that they will get a Guardiola or a Mourinho then they are insane, as FSG have clearly stated in words and actions they want a fresh start with a young manager. If yet another manager takes over in the next 5 years then we are doomed to relegation fights and mid table mediocrity will seem like heaven

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

rodgers needs to win his next two games (QPR away, sunderland at home) because after that we have a run of 5 games where we play the likes of united, city and arsenal (all away) and west brom at home.
considering we havent beaten a side in the top half of the table yet those fixtures look ominious so it`s important that we pick up points in our next two games.
if we dont do well against QPR and sunderland we could end up getting dragged back into the lower reaches of the table again.
we have a group of clubs below us like newcastle, west ham, fulham and villa who are capable of putting a couple of wins together and if we have a 5 game spell where we find points tough to come by we could get dragged back into the mire.

[red till i die!!]

last night was just cack, we get a gift to go 1 up in the 1st 3 mins and then we shat the trunks again.
we have so many players out of there depth it isnt funny anymore. the tactics are repetitive and so obvious that arry is well fancying his chances of beating us. we are half way into the season and we should be improving but we are not. we look clueless and last night showed that. blame the defenders this time last year we had one of the best defences in the league. what did we think stoke would suddenly try to match us on the ground ? they are all about set pieces and long balls so its no surprise we conceeded from 2. every time we work the ball from the back and painfully slow try to move it up the field. last night etherington broke with the ball and lost it to skyrtel who squared it to agger, etherington wasnt even bothered chasing it but just turned on his heels and ran back over the half way line into position. any half organised side will beat us.
loads of people calling for assaidi to be played this lad is no where near ready for the prem and is definately not the answer. all our players like sterling,suso,shelvey,henderson and allen are decent prospects and well capable of putting in match winning displays but not every week, but such is the expectation here that they are expected to. assaidi will be no different, might have 1 good game here and follow it up with several below average ones because they are just to young and inexperienced.
the only thing rodgers has persisted with is 4-3-3, there is no high tempo passing, no pressing and no ideas going forward which is what he supposedly going to bring to this team. sturridge,ince,alex,pierce,butland and now di santo is all he seems to be linked with so imo he needs help. fsg need to strenghten the back room staff and maybe a D.O.F pretty quickly. if were in a similar position this time next year then he will need a miracle to keep his job.

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

the echo match report is pretty damning too, saying that although stoke are tough to beat on their own ground they have only scored 8 goals in 8 home matches this season and last night was the first time in 44 premier league games that stoke have managed to score more than 2 goals in a game.
it said it could have been even worse too with reina having to rush off his line and block an etherington shot when he found himself in acres of space after the defence had gone AWOL.
apparently rodgers gave the players christmas day off and the echo is saying maybe he should have had them in practising defending set pieces because they obviously dont know how to do it.
it also says the stoke fans singing `cant we play you every week` says it all.
apparently suarez stormed off down the tunnel at the end of the game as well

[Thommo's perm]

the echo match report is pretty damning too, saying that although stoke are tough to beat on their own ground they have only scored 8 goals in 8 home matches this season and last night was the first time in 44 premier league games that stoke have managed to score more than 2 goals in a game.
it said it could have been even worse too with reina having to rush off his line and block an etherington shot when he found himself in acres of space after the defence had gone AWOL.
apparently rodgers gave the players christmas day off and the echo is saying maybe he should have had them in practising defending set pieces because they obviously dont know how to do it.
it also says the stoke fans singing `cant we play you every week` says it all.
apparently suarez stormed off down the tunnel at the end of the game as well

Im not surprised. He must have been angry at himself with all his wastefulness and frustrating play.
He can either be brilliant or sh'ite, and last night he wasnt brilliant...

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

the echo match report is pretty damning too, saying that although stoke are tough to beat on their own ground they have only scored 8 goals in 8 home matches this season and last night was the first time in 44 premier league games that stoke have managed to score more than 2 goals in a game.
it said it could have been even worse too with reina having to rush off his line and block an etherington shot when he found himself in acres of space after the defence had gone AWOL.
apparently rodgers gave the players christmas day off and the echo is saying maybe he should have had them in practising defending set pieces because they obviously dont know how to do it.
it also says the stoke fans singing `cant we play you every week` says it all.
apparently suarez stormed off down the tunnel at the end of the game as well

Im not surprised. He must have been angry at himself with all his wastefulness and frustrating play.
He can either be brilliant or sh'ite, and last night he wasnt brilliant...

apart from winning the pen, hitting the post and being the only player who looked like he actually gave a $h1te if we won or lost....

[lakes10]

Lakes10, the players look like they have got no clue how to play in his system and we really don't have a Plan B

i think they know the system but just have the skill to pull it off.

[Thommo's perm]

Fair comment but his wastefulness costs us.
He is our best player by far and his passion cant be questioned but sometimes the choices he makes are so frustrating and needless.
He is full of endeavour and gives his all until the last whistle but I wish he could do the simple things more often

[lakes10]

also feel we lack a hardman, i mean a real Hardman
graeme souness
jan molby
neil ruddock
julian dicks

skrtel? it dont work for me.

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

red till i die!!
the only thing rodgers has persisted with is 4-3-3, there is no high tempo passing, no pressing and no ideas going forward which is what he supposedly going to bring to this team. sturridge,ince,alex,pierce,butland and now di santo is all he seems to be linked with so imo he needs help. fsg need to strenghten the back room staff and maybe a D.O.F pretty quickly. if were in a similar position this time next year then he will need a miracle to keep his job.

thats another thing, if he is trying to recreate a `british barcelona` why are we looking at english players like sturridge and ince who grew up in this country with kick and rush football?
you`d think if someone was genuinely trying to replicate barcelona`s style of play they`d at least sign a lot of technically gifted spanish players. you`d think that would be a decent starting place.
look at the players laudrup brought in to swansea, they lost joe allen but went out and got that hernandez from valencia (who looks skillfull as f##k) and that michu who has been a revelation. i would have thought they are the type of reasonably priced spanish players rodgers would be looking at if he was really trying to recreate a cut price barcelona over here and whatsmore if we were signing players of that ilk then maybe i could see what he was trying to do but we are not.
for some reason we always seem to be linked to his mates from chelsea (sturridge, kalou, alex, di santo, borini etc), swansea (joe allen, williams, vorm) and reading (signurdsson).
call me an old cynic but i just cant see us building a barcelona type team with the players we are being linked with.

[Thommo's perm]

red till i die!!
the only thing rodgers has persisted with is 4-3-3, there is no high tempo passing, no pressing and no ideas going forward which is what he supposedly going to bring to this team. sturridge,ince,alex,pierce,butland and now di santo is all he seems to be linked with so imo he needs help. fsg need to strenghten the back room staff and maybe a D.O.F pretty quickly. if were in a similar position this time next year then he will need a miracle to keep his job.

thats another thing, if he is trying to recreate a `british barcelona` why are we looking at english players like sturridge and ince who grew up in this country with kick and rush football?
you`d think if someone was genuinely trying to replicate barcelona`s style of play they`d at least sign a lot of technically gifted spanish players. you`d think that would be a decent starting place.
look at the players laudrup brought in to swansea, they lost joe allen but went out and got that hernandez from valencia (who looks skillfull as f##k) and that michu who has been a revelation. i would have thought they are the type of reasonably priced spanish players rodgers would be looking at if he was really trying to recreate a cut price barcelona over here and whatsmore if we were signing players of that ilk then maybe i could see what he was trying to do but we are not.
for some reason we always seem to be linked to his mates from chelsea (sturridge, kalou, alex, di santo, borini etc), swansea (joe allen, williams, vorm) and reading (signurdsson).
call me an old cynic but i just cant see us building a barcelona type team with the players we are being linked with.

You are an old cynic.
We are not barcelona, but there is nothing wrong with wanting to be like them

[RED BEERGOGGLES]

I must be firmly in the minority here in accepting  Rodgers wont  work miracles overnight with a team so shorn of quality its a miracle we're where we are .
Rodgers needs to get the players in he believes will play the type of football he demands ,and rid himself of a captain who looks for all the world like he's
just going through the motions .

The likes of Shelvey and Downing are so poor its heartbreaking to watch ,players the quality of Heighway  McManaman used to play those wings .
Its an absolute disgrace that this club and its fans have to endure the soulless mercenaries that are now in their place . 

I will continue backing the manager until such time as the players he has to work with are infinitely better than the ones he currently has at his disposal .

Two bad displays( albeit ridiculously inept performances ) are no reason to paint the fella as a failure ffs  .

YNWA Although its becoming a lonely walk .

[Thommo's perm]

I must be firmly in the minority here in accepting  Rodgers wont  work miracles overnight with a team so shorn of quality its a miracle we're where we are .
Rodgers needs to get the players in he believes will play the type of football he demands ,and rid himself of a captain who looks for all the world like he's
just going through the motions .

The likes of Shelvey and Downing are so poor its heartbreaking to watch ,players the quality of Heighway  McManaman used to play those wings .
Its an absolute disgrace that this club and its fans have to endure the soulless mercenaries that are now in their place . 

I will continue backing the manager until such time as the players he has to work with are infinitely better than the ones he currently has at his disposal .

Two bad displays( albeit ridiculously inept performances ) are no reason to paint the fella as a failure ffs  .

YNWA Although its becoming a lonely walk .

Count me in RBG. Its par for the course to moan when we lose and celebrate when we win
Its a no brainer for me that unless we get taken over by an arab or russian billionaire anytime soon, then we are stuck with B-Rod and have to support him no matter what happens. The players are capable because they have shown us in various games. But they have also shown us they are incapable and that has to stop by them taking responsibility. At the moment we are letting ourselves down with the basics like corners and free kicks, throw ins and giving the ball away cheaply. We are being punished severely for our mistakes and we have to rectify these simple, yet crucial parts of our play. We can blame the manager all we want but if the players dont buck up, then its useless