Liverpool FC Forum

[heimdall]

my only worry is hes to stubborn and wont change things. With carroll we at least had a plan b.

And how often did that plan B work last season, was it 4 times? Teh reality is that Carroll was not good enough and didn't fit Brendan's vision and was far to expensive to have sitting on the bench.

BTW Can you guys guarantee me that the owners didn't force Brendan to send him out on loan to save a few pennies??

The reality is that Brendan got shafted by the owners, it was NOT bad management from him at all, and I don't give a flying feck what a panel of "experts" say, most aren't good enough to manage, hence why they become "experts" in the first place.

[Roger Red Hat]

There isn't a better manager out there at the moment for this club. It's in safe hands as far as the manager goes.

cue the "what about Rafa" numbheads...

[redalltheway36]

my only worry is hes to stubborn and wont change things. With carroll we at least had a plan b.

And how often did that plan B work last season, was it 4 times? Teh reality is that Carroll was not good enough and didn't fit Brendan's vision and was far to expensive to have sitting on the bench.

BTW Can you guys guarantee me that the owners didn't force Brendan to send him out on loan to save a few pennies??

The reality is that Brendan got shafted by the owners, it was NOT bad management from him at all, and I don't give a flying feck what a panel of "experts" say, most aren't good enough to manage, hence why they become "experts" in the first place.

So your saying when we went 2-0 down to arsenal that bringinging carroll would not of made any difference. But i agree the owners have fecked him over but i still think 4-3-3 doesnt suit borini or suarez.

[heimdall]

my only worry is hes to stubborn and wont change things. With carroll we at least had a plan b.

And how often did that plan B work last season, was it 4 times? Teh reality is that Carroll was not good enough and didn't fit Brendan's vision and was far to expensive to have sitting on the bench.

BTW Can you guys guarantee me that the owners didn't force Brendan to send him out on loan to save a few pennies??

The reality is that Brendan got shafted by the owners, it was NOT bad management from him at all, and I don't give a flying feck what a panel of "experts" say, most aren't good enough to manage, hence why they become "experts" in the first place.

So your saying when we went 2-0 down to arsenal that bringinging carroll would not of made any difference. But i agree the owners have fecked him over but i still think 4-3-3 doesnt suit borini or suarez.

That is exactly what I'm saying, Carroll would not have made any difference, he never did, but that does not excuse the owners fecking Brendan over, who I rate very highly as I imagine many other owners of other clubs do. How long do you think he'll put up with owners bullsh!tting him?

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

well william hills have him as short as 2-1 not to be our manager at the end of the season.

[celtic-red!]

well william hills have him as short as 2-1 not to be our manager at the end of the season.

good on them!

BR is here for the long term.  FSG have got there own man and wont be sacking him anytime soon!

[aCe']

There isn't a better manager out there at the moment for this club. It's in safe hands as far as the manager goes.

cue the "what about Rafa" numbheads...

I like Rodgers but I think if Redknapp was available he would have gotten the job and rightfully so. My biggest worry when it comes to Rodgers is his lack of experience at the top level. He made a few mistakes already in the transfer market and his interactions with the media (especially regarding the Carroll issue) have been at times embarrassing. Tactically, he has a vision of where he wants the club to be but until we have the players to implement that system we need him to show a bit of flexibility. To be honest, i find his lack of a backup plan a bit worrying and perhaps yet another sign of a manager facing a rather steep learning curve. 

Unlike many, I'm sure that he will -sooner rather than later- compromise on his preferred 4-3-3 to try and play to the players' strengths rather than his own. Eventually, we'll hopefully have the right personnel to allow him to do what he does best which is COACH the players to play a possession based 4-3-3.

[celtic-red!]

I dont think FSG would have hired a 65yo man!

I am not saying Harry isnt a good manager.  I just dont think FSG would have got him.

They wanted a young manager!!

[LFC1990]

my only worry is hes to stubborn and wont change things. With carroll we at least had a plan b.

And how often did that plan B work last season, was it 4 times? Teh reality is that Carroll was not good enough and didn't fit Brendan's vision and was far to expensive to have sitting on the bench.

BTW Can you guys guarantee me that the owners didn't force Brendan to send him out on loan to save a few pennies??

The reality is that Brendan got shafted by the owners, it was NOT bad management from him at all, and I don't give a flying feck what a panel of "experts" say, most aren't good enough to manage, hence why they become "experts" in the first place.

So your saying when we went 2-0 down to arsenal that bringinging carroll would not of made any difference. But i agree the owners have fecked him over but i still think 4-3-3 doesnt suit borini or suarez.

Uruguay play the 4-3-3

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

There isn't a better manager out there at the moment for this club. It's in safe hands as far as the manager goes.

cue the "what about Rafa" numbheads...

I like Rodgers but I think if Redknapp was available he would have gotten the job and rightfully so. My biggest worry when it comes to Rodgers is his lack of experience at the top level. He made a few mistakes already in the transfer market and his interactions with the media (especially regarding the Carroll issue) have been at times embarrassing. Tactically, he has a vision of where he wants the club to be but until we have the players to implement that system we need him to show a bit of flexibility. To be honest, i find his lack of a backup plan a bit worrying and perhaps yet another sign of a manager facing a rather steep learning curve. 

Unlike many, I'm sure that he will -sooner rather than later- compromise on his preferred 4-3-3 to try and play to the players' strengths rather than his own. Eventually, we'll hopefully have the right personnel to allow him to do what he does best which is COACH the players to play a possession based 4-3-3.

i think people are so overawed by all this `we`ll play the same way as barcelona` line that they cant see the wood for the tree`s.
even if rodgers is the real deal in graham hunters book about barcelona he said it took the catalan giants 16 years, a huge amount of money (spent on big signings), an incredible scouting system and a brilliant academy full of visionary coaches to be where they are today, and that is a club that no player turns down.
how long is it going to take here with a novice manager, financially prudent owners and a club that is struggling to attract the top players?
it`s not just a question of playing that system it`s perfecting it, even barcelona took some right hammerings along the way.
i`ve no doubt rodgers will have us eventually playing some cod version of barca`s style somewhere along the way but i think we`ll end up a paper tiger like swansea, all style no substance.
rodgers has had 4 jobs, he was sacked at reading and at watford he managed to get to 13th in the league after spending half the season in the bottom 3.
even at swansea, he took over a team that finished 7th the year before and took them up via the play off`s, neil warnocks QPR won the division and lamberts norwich finished second. he didnt improve them that much and even the much vaunted playing style was already there, it was martinez who brought that to swansea.
this isnt ancient history this is the last 4 years.
he`s a likable fella and he wants to play footy the right way but managing liverpool is no job for a novice manager, he`s made a lot of mistakes imo, i think he went about the carroll situation the wrong way, he gave mixed messages out regarding the future of some of our star players like agger and skrtel, he came out with that overly negative statement about it taking us 4 years to get into the CL, he had all summer to sort out our squad and the goalscoring problem (we are actually worse off! takes some doing that) and in a few of the early games he looks like a rabbit in the headlights when we are losing, he looks like he hasnt got a clue what to do when plan A isnt working. now he`s now got the press on his back.
he`s got a hell of a job on his hands.

[The Hustler]

I doubt Brendan Rodgers has got the player contacts, or contacts across Europe to bring us the very best talent. Rafa brought us Spanish players.
Two of brendans first signings......Swansea players!

If that is a signal of intent, im not hopeful.
Allen is not Xabi Alonso.

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

allen is a very good player. but i agree, when we were linked with sturridge he said daniel was a player he had worked with and knew well etc etc
we seem to be linked with a lot of players that he knows or has worked with in the past (gylfi, allen, kalou, borini etc), i think he needs to expand his horizons a bit.

[paisleyred]

contacts? he brought in Sahin from Madrid when other clubs including Champ League clubs wanted him.

Allen is not Xabi Alonso but he is one of the few positive things to come out of the start of the season.

If you can't see Joe Allen is a player now and is going to be a top star you don't know your football.

[The Hustler]

Oh but I do..

Allen is tidy, but I havent seen him create chances on goal, shoot much, his role seems to be holding midfielder.

We want goals

[redalltheway36]

There isn't a better manager out there at the moment for this club. It's in safe hands as far as the manager goes.

cue the "what about Rafa" numbheads...

I like Rodgers but I think if Redknapp was available he would have gotten the job and rightfully so. My biggest worry when it comes to Rodgers is his lack of experience at the top level. He made a few mistakes already in the transfer market and his interactions with the media (especially regarding the Carroll issue) have been at times embarrassing. Tactically, he has a vision of where he wants the club to be but until we have the players to implement that system we need him to show a bit of flexibility. To be honest, i find his lack of a backup plan a bit worrying and perhaps yet another sign of a manager facing a rather steep learning curve. 

Unlike many, I'm sure that he will -sooner rather than later- compromise on his preferred 4-3-3 to try and play to the players' strengths rather than his own. Eventually, we'll hopefully have the right personnel to allow him to do what he does best which is COACH the players to play a possession based 4-3-3.

Apart from the harry bit i agree totally. Weve never had a strong bench or a plan B. look at last sunday who did he bring on Downing who did ok to be fair. Plus i know its early days but sahin i havent seen much of him to be honest. Is he the type to demand the ball and thrust us forward cos sunday i was waiting for him impose himself and he never did. But dont slate me iknow its his first game and i know hes a good player just wona know what type of player he will be for us and whats his best position would be.