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[Kharhaz]

In fairness to Hodgson though he wasn't given the time to reach a final. And from day 1 of his reign most of the Liverpool supporters wanted to see him fail, and rejoiced when he did. His opening game against Arsenal we were 1-0 up, it was only because of Reina that we drew 1-1. But that wasn't Reinas fault, that was Roys. And from then on, he had to battle his own clubs supporters as well as other clubs. He was never given a chance, and the pressure on him was immense. When he won a game, nothing was said, but the supporters, rather than show support and give him the benefit of the doubt, just sat eagerly awaiting our next defeat, or draw, ready to pounce.

Anfield has always had the most electric and passionate supporters, as the most ardent fans are ready to stick by Kenny Dalglish, many of those supporters showed nothing of the qualities which makes the fans great when it came to Roy Hodgson. I said it back then, and I still believe it to this day. The major f*ck up Roy made was replacing Rafa.

Roy never stood a chance.

[D___C]

Did Hodgson have 110 million to spend?
Did Hodgson get backing from the fans the day he signed?

Kenny on the otherhand was given more funds than any manager in our history, more fan backing than any manager in our history (its how he got the job, he wouldn't have been considered at any other club). We have gone from 58pts last season, spent a fortune, and finished with 52pts this season.

You have to factor in both of those variables when comparing the two managers, and once you have done that is there no question Hodgson has done better with what he had at his disposal than Kenny. Kenny has spent 110 million and man for man has made us weaker. Name another manager who has done this.

Hes a club legend and therefore many wont utter a word against him, hes revered. Take yourself out of the emotional attachment for a second. That mans position is under the microscope right now for a reason.

[Dalglish]

In fairness to Hodgson though he wasn't given the time to reach a final. And from day 1 of his reign most of the Liverpool supporters wanted to see him fail, and rejoiced when he did. His opening game against Arsenal we were 1-0 up, it was only because of Reina that we drew 1-1. But that wasn't Reinas fault, that was Roys. And from then on, he had to battle his own clubs supporters as well as other clubs. He was never given a chance, and the pressure on him was immense. When he won a game, nothing was said, but the supporters, rather than show support and give him the benefit of the doubt, just sat eagerly awaiting our next defeat, or draw, ready to pounce.

Anfield has always had the most electric and passionate supporters, as the most ardent fans are ready to stick by Kenny Dalglish, many of those supporters showed nothing of the qualities which makes the fans great when it came to Roy Hodgson. I said it back then, and I still believe it to this day. The major f*ck up Roy made was replacing Rafa.

Roy never stood a chance.

More tripe !

I'm sorry Kharhaz but your missing the point here.

Hodgson should never have been appointed to the role. He was a stooge put in place by Hicks and Gilet to deflect any criticism away from them at a time when they were looking to sell the club at a huge personal profit to themselves ! Read "42 months with a Pair of Cowboys" by Brian Reade for the REAL reason Roy Hodgson was appointed instead of speculating about the fanbase not getting behind Roy Hodgson !



I go to games ona  regular basis and i didn't hear this

[Dalglish]

Did Hodgson have 110 million to spend?
Did Hodgson get backing from the fans the day he signed?

Kenny on the otherhand was given more funds than any manager in our history, more fan backing than any manager in our history (its how he got the job, he wouldn't have been considered at any other club). We have gone from 58pts last season, spent a fortune, and finished with 52pts this season.

You have to factor in both of those variables when comparing the two managers, and once you have done that is there no question Hodgson has done better with what he had at his disposal than Kenny. Kenny has spent 110 million and man for man has made us weaker. Name another manager who has done this.

Hes a club legend and therefore many wont utter a word against him, hes revered. Take yourself out of the emotional attachment for a second. That mans position is under the microscope right now for a reason.

Must i repeat myself ! Read the above response to Kharhaz for the FACTS about the apointment of Roy Feckin Hodgson !

So the 58pts under Roy last season were ALL gained under his managerial reign ? No, they certainly were NOT. At one point under Roy and guided by players like Poulsen, Koncheskey and Jovcanavic the only club below us were West Ham !

Kenny took a team on its ***** halfway through the 2010/2011 season and got us up the table to within a win of a UEFA Cup place. 

You might have Dalglish under a microscope and if Twitter, SKY and the rest of the shark infestede media world are to be believed so are they !

The reality is that Kenny Dalglish is nowhere near under as much scrutiny as people like you would have us believe.

His meeting in the US was schedueled months ago.

The only bit you get right is this .................Yes he IS a Club legend .....End of !

[Kharhaz]

In fairness to Hodgson though he wasn't given the time to reach a final. And from day 1 of his reign most of the Liverpool supporters wanted to see him fail, and rejoiced when he did. His opening game against Arsenal we were 1-0 up, it was only because of Reina that we drew 1-1. But that wasn't Reinas fault, that was Roys. And from then on, he had to battle his own clubs supporters as well as other clubs. He was never given a chance, and the pressure on him was immense. When he won a game, nothing was said, but the supporters, rather than show support and give him the benefit of the doubt, just sat eagerly awaiting our next defeat, or draw, ready to pounce.

Anfield has always had the most electric and passionate supporters, as the most ardent fans are ready to stick by Kenny Dalglish, many of those supporters showed nothing of the qualities which makes the fans great when it came to Roy Hodgson. I said it back then, and I still believe it to this day. The major f*ck up Roy made was replacing Rafa.

Roy never stood a chance.

More tripe !

I'm sorry Kharhaz but your missing the point here.

Hodgson should never have been appointed to the role. He was a stooge put in place by Hicks and Gilet to deflect any criticism away from them at a time when they were looking to sell the club at a huge personal profit to themselves ! Read "42 months with a Pair of Cowboys" by Brian Reade for the REAL reason Roy Hodgson was appointed instead of speculating about the fanbase not getting behind Roy Hodgson !



I go to games ona  regular basis and i didn't hear this

Whatever the reasons he was appointed, the way he was treated isn't tripe.
He was treat with contempt, and in that no supporter can argue. He took over Liverpool and was hated from day one. Whatever our feelings against Hicks and Gillett, and I would say its 100% hatred, Roy was put in a position to manage Liverpool.

By all means, hate H&G but Hodgson received hatred that he didn't deserve. He was offered a chance to manage Liverpool, and who in the right mind would refuse that honour?

No, sorry, its not tripe. Its a fact. Our so called great supporters whined like spoiled children when Rafa was sacked. And unless Kenny himself came in to manage the club at that time, whoever was picked to manage Liverpool at that time were on a loser.

[Dalglish]

And from day 1 of his reign most of the Liverpool supporters wanted to see him fail, and rejoiced when he did.

GET A GRIP OF YOURSELF MAN ! Liverpool Fans "Rejoiced" after seeing a manager sacked ? I don't know where you get this stuff from ?


Will "Liverpool Fans" like D_C and yourself "Rejoice" when Kenny leaves ? 

More and more with Football thgese days, fans are more interested in being "right" than being "loyal" !

[Kharhaz]

And from day 1 of his reign most of the Liverpool supporters wanted to see him fail, and rejoiced when he did.

GET A GRIP OF YOURSELF MAN ! Liverpool Fans "Rejoiced" after seeing a manager sacked ? I don't know where you get this stuff from ?


Will "Liverpool Fans" like D_C and yourself "Rejoice" when Kenny leaves ? 

More and more with Football thgese days, fans are more interested in being "right" than being "loyal" !

No, not at all. Im not on that bandwagon. I voted Kenny stays. He deserves a shot. He is one of my heroes. My second oldest son, his middle name is Kenneth and he was born on the same day as Dalglish, 4th March. So no way, I want Kenny to stay. I love the guy.

My argument against Roy Hodgson is simple, he was mistreat. He never stood a chance. Was he good enough for the club? of course he wasn't, but it didn't mean that I didn't support him as long as he was manager of Liverpool. My argument is a simple one. Whoever represents this club has my support, regardless.

[akumaface]

Based on the history of how Henry operates the Red Sox, KK is as good as gone. If we let KK get even half a season more, it just means another poor season. No point of changing the manager in the middle of the season. If KK is still in charge, obviously no management would trust KK with the spending. So, he will refuse to play the new players and kept on playing the flops regardless of the result. On the other hand if he is in charge of the players acquisition, chances are the money will go down the drain. Therefore, the only choice is to install a new manager and then get the players that suit his tactics. Otherwise we will be stuck with a bunch of players not good for the new system. FSG will not jeopardize another season with blind faith just because he is Kenny. Let's put it this way, if we have the same players but put a Morinhno in charge, don't you all think the season would be as bad? This just shows a manager can make a difference. Changing a manager for the sake of changing will not achieve anything. I would agree to the change if FSG can get a world class top notch manager.

Mourinho would only come if he had 200M to spend and wages of 13M+ a year.
He might have a bit of temporary success then leave. 

He's also a disgraceful human being.

I was only referring to equivalent in managerial skill and not the actual Morinhno himself to make a point.

[stmichael]

Roy Hodgson wasn't mistreat. The bloke was an embarassment in the way he conducted himself as Liverpool manager. And then he had the audacity to have a go at the fans for protesting against the two clowns who owned the club. His every word mocked our club and it's standing and he consistently conceded to other managers that their club was superior. He even called Northampton "mightily difficult opposition" before we played them in the Cup. He defiled the football game as we know it at this club and couldn't give a toss that it wasn't how it was done here and hadn't been for 50 years. His decisions were so wrong under pressure that he ended up hideously embarrassing himself and the club. Just read some of his press conferences.

[Kharhaz]

Roy Hodgson wasn't mistreat. The bloke was an embarassment in the way he conducted himself as Liverpool manager. And then he had the audacity to have a go at the fans for protesting against the two clowns who owned the club. His every word mocked our club and it's standing and he consistently conceded to other managers that their club was superior. He even called Northampton "mightily difficult opposition" before we played them in the Cup. He defiled the football game as we know it at this club and couldn't give a toss that it wasn't how it was done here and hadn't been for 50 years. His decisions were so wrong under pressure that he ended up hideously embarrassing himself and the club. Just read some of his press conferences.

I wont argue against you mate. Many of his later statements were foolhardy, and even now hard to defend. My argument is right from the off he wasn't wanted. But its no excuse as to the booing he endured, the insults and pressure placed upon him. Am I glad he is no longer here? of course, I have Liverpool in my heart. Am I proud of his treatment while he was here? no, not at all.

[Reg]

Today's Telegraph:


Kenny Dalglish clinging to Liverpool manager's job after meeting with club's owners fails to lift doubts over future

Kenny Dalglish’s position as Liverpool manager looks increasingly fragile after he failed to receive reassurances about his future from the club’s owners.

By Chris Bascombe

11:59PM BST 15 May 2012

Dalglish returned to Merseyside on Tuesday after a whistle-stop visit to Boston, Massachusetts. He remained in his post after talks with principal owner John Henry and chairman Tom Werner, but there is no guarantee he will be in charge of team affairs at the start of next season.

Dalglish travelled to the United States with assistant manager Steve Clarke, initially to establish the club’s plans for the pre-season, but to also challenge the perception that his job is under immediate threat.

Clarke has not flown home because he is holidaying in America, but Dalglish made an instant return to Liverpool to await the Fenway Sports Group’s next move.

Henry and Werner are troubled by Liverpool’s failure to mount a serious challenge for the Champions League places and are establishing the best way to ensure there is no repeat next season. They have been assessing if their vision for Liverpool can be realised under Dalglish’s leadership.

The owners are disillusioned with the inconsistency of performances and intolerant of suggestions that bad luck was the main cause of Liverpool’s failure to challenge the top four.

Dalglish has known he is in a vulnerable position since director of football Damien Comolli was sacked for buying too many underperforming players. The implication was that Dalglish, too, was being blamed for targeting mediocre signings.

Although Werner said at the time Dalglish had his “full support” there were no promises he would keep his job if Liverpool did not improve their league position.

Home defeats to Wigan and Fulham made the situation worse and there was a feeling that only winning the FA Cup would save the manager.

Losing to Chelsea at Wembley raised concerns that Dalglish’s fate was sealed, and the refusal of the board to comment publicly on his future was a sign his position was being assessed.

Dalglish believes the most adequate response to a disjointed campaign is to allow him to continue rebuilding the squad and to pursue new signings and contract extensions.

In the meantime, there is a sense of impasse at Anfield as the outcome of the Boston summit is digested. The signs are not promising for Dalglish.

Although sentiment and popularity with the fans are on his side, any suggestion he would willingly step aside for a younger man is a misjudgement.

Acutely aware of the sensitivities of removing an iconic manager from his post, the Americans would seek to progress as carefully as possible in the event of dismissing Dalglish. They did not summon him to Boston and it was not a pre-planned visit.

The face-to-face talks with Dalglish were very much a late call following intensifying speculation. It was the manager himself who decided to accompany Clarke, who was already planning a trans-Atlantic trip as the assistant’s views are considered hugely significant in the end of season review.

The lack of a resolution after Monday’s meeting has led to an air of uncertainty at the club. The prospect of an amicable parting of the ways, with Dalglish willingly stepping aside, has been shown to be an unlikely solution.

There have been suggestions Dalglish would remain in an alternative role, possible reverting to the ambassadorial status he enjoyed before moving back to the dugout.

There is nothing to suggest that would attract him, and it also runs the risk of a successor being dissuaded from working at Anfield under his shadow — a prospect which will be unpalatable for those who witnessed the experiences of Roy Hodgson.

It has been a period of growing disharmony on Merseyside in the past few weeks with regular sackings and a sense of impending gloom for Dalglish’s supporters.

Comolli still needs to be replaced and the Head of Sports Science, Peter Brukner, also lost his job.

In the absence of a director of communication, following Ian Cotton’s departure a week ago, there was no one at the club in a position to comment on the feverish speculation surrounding Dalglish’s role on Tuesday night.
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Henry and Werner are troubled by Liverpool’s failure to mount a serious challenge for the Champions League places and are establishing the best way to ensure there is no repeat next season. They have been assessing if their vision for Liverpool can be realised under Dalglish’s leadership.


Suggests that the owners are both hands on AND decisions are made outside Liverpool. ie the busines may be in Liverpool but the power remains rooted in Boston and will be wielded from there. 'Kenny, you want to speak to us, you get on a plane'.

[Kharhaz]

By Chris Bascombe

This says more. The mans a d!ck.

[Octsky]

now we are heavily link to Wigan's Robert Martinez, those who hope Kenny to be sack, need to relook at the current situation again.

great. so we're linked with a guy who escapes relegation by the skin of his teeth every year. another manager who gets linked to other jobs as soon as his side have a run of decent results. i actually like martinez and the wasy his teams try and play football but is this really the standard of manager we should be looking at? it was the same on here a while back when bolton had a few decent results and all of a sudden people were advoocating owen coyle when rafa went. now look at him.

Wasn't Redknapp also a manager who used to escape relegation by the skin of his teeth each year, seems to be doing ok at Spurs though. 

Seriosuly good young managers have to start somewhere and I like the look of Martinez and Ilike his style of football and ability to motivate his players, plus he'd be cheaper than a top notch CL manager.

no way, with Harry, West ham was a constant top 10 side, untill the chairman sacked him and West ham has been up and down ever seem
Pep is available...

[Reg]

So Kenny stays for 24 hours and Steve Clark goes off on holiday.

Waste of time, nothing learnt from the yanks.

This is why our club frustrates the hell out of me, because they're plain stupid. 

[woof woof !]

Dalglish returned to Merseyside on Tuesday after a whistle-stop visit to Boston, Massachusetts. He remained in his post after talks with principal owner John Henry and chairman Tom Werner, but there is no guarantee he will be in charge of team affairs at the start of next season.

On a wider note, if the underlined above is true, how the hell is the club going to do any significant business transfer wise between now and the start of the new season !.

The situation has got to be resolved,  back him or sack him, either way the owners need to sort out the uncertainty surrounding our managers future