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by **mkingdom** » Thu Jun 10, 2010 11:11 pm

I think it might be possible that G&H do not have that much input into this decision. This might sound odd, but sooner or later the bank is going to tell them to stop pi$$ing about and sell for a sensible price or they will pull the plug, and that will knacker all their other "business interests".

The Chelsea bloke and Purslow are more likely pulling the strings on this one, with G&H edging towards the door.

The momentum for Kenny is certainly building, and if he has come out and said he wants it, then this puts the club in a tricky position. He is clearly the fans choice.

What I fear they might do is cobble together some unworkable double act with Hodgson, with Kenny as Director of Football, and those set ups almost always fail. With Kenny having said he wants the job, how will would it work with him having to watch Roy do the stuff he wanted to do?

Whoever is calling the shots has a chance to heal some of the wounds inflicted on the club and the fans by giving them what (a lot of them) want, and this seems to be some old boys set up led by Kenny.

Sammy Lee staying makes sense, as 1st team coach, and someone like Rush or Phil Thompson as Asst Manager.

If that fails, the club's hierarchy have given the fans what they wanted. If Hodgson (or god forbid, Hughes) fails, it will be World War 3...probably unless we win the first five games of the new season!!

Uncertain times, and hopefully it can get sorted one way or the other this weekend, and we can move forward as a club.

by **Scottbot** » Thu Jun 10, 2010 11:21 pm

If you'd asked me a year ago or even 3 months ago if a return of King Kenny was a good idea I would have laughed my head off but it does seem that under the current circumstances, he would be the perfect man for the job. I still have my reservations BUT this is such a unique situation in terms of being a massive club, but with massive debts, worried about losing our top players and yet still having enormous potential SHOULD someone come in and buy the club with some reasonable money behind them.

by **Ciggy** » Fri Jun 11, 2010 6:32 am

Open your eyes and see what they are doing !!!!

OFF THE FENCE: Liverpool FC hierarchy fear how powerful Kenny Dalglish would become

Jun 11 2010 by Ben Thornley, Daily Post
Kenny Dalglish

KENNY DALGLISH is the only candidate on Liverpool FC’s managerial short list that could persuade Steven Gerrard and Fernando Torres to stay.

It’s one of the many pressing reasons why the Anfield legend should be installed as boss – but, sadly, also why he won’t be.

Not when the decision is being made by a banker (Christian Purslow) and a Chelsea fan (Martin Broughton) on behalf of American owners that have piled an unsustainable level of debt onto Liverpool.

Debt reduction not trophy gathering has long been the priority at Anfield.

And that is reflected in the emergence of Roy Hodgson as the board’s number one choice to replace Rafa Benitez.

They want a man who knows that under normal circumstances he wouldn’t get the chance to sit in one of the game’s most prized hotseats.

Someone to steady the ship for a season or two while the club is sold, who won’t quibble when his two outstanding players are sold for a combined fee of over £100m – even though he’s unlikely to receive even half of that to reinvest.

Of course, the rest won’t go on reducing debt, we’ll be assured. Just like the fees for Xabi Alonso and Robbie Keane.

Hodgson – whose only title triumphs arrived in Scandinavia – is certainly the man for that job.

The Londoner is a fine coach who has excelled at Craven Cottage. But Liverpool will just be a chance to add another big name on his CV to go alongside Inter Milan, where he performed a similar role to the one he will be asked to undertake at Anfield.

His appointment, though, will be viewed by most as a significant reduction in ambition at Liverpool.

Not least by the Reds’ star players who will flee through the Anfield exit doors.

But it’s not in the interests of the owners to keep Gerrard and Torres – despite their presence in the Reds’ squad making the club more attractive to buyers.

Liverpool lost a club-record £50m last year as they went £351m into the red.

That was with Champions League revenue and Benitez trading at a profit last summer. As well as being an awful competition, the Europa League also offers little financial reward.

With Tom Hicks’ outrageous £800m valuation stalling the sale of Liverpool it’s unlikely the club will change hands any time soon, meaning the blundering Americans will have to find a solution to their rapidly growing debt.

Now that Benitez is out of the way, there’s no-one to stop them asset stripping – by the time they’ve left, they will probably have ripped out and sold on Anfield’s lead piping, lighting and heating system.

No-one that is except Dalglish – the only living man to have won top-flight English titles at two different clubs – and the Liverpool board probably fear how powerful he would become if made manager for a second time.

King Kenny is the only man in the Anfield hierarchy who has the club’s best interests at heart. If he feels he is the best man to take charge, who are the board to disagree?

Naming Liverpool’s greatest ever player as Benitez’s successor would give the club the lift it needs after a wretched season. He’s the overwhelming popular choice, with a poll on the excellent Reds website, the www.theLiverpoolway.co.uk, showing 93% of supporters preferring him to Hodgson.

More importantly, though, it would reassure fans and players that they mean business and are not happy just to drift further into mid-table.

Perhaps the game has moved on since Dalglish’s last managerial role at Newcastle, as some doubters have claimed.

But it is still a sport played by two teams of 11 men – despite some coaches, not least Benitez, making it unnecessarily complicated.

Forget Pro-Zone stats, blood tests and zonal marking, what really matters is the ability to read the game – as Harry Redknapp proved at Spurs this season.

And no amount of time out of the sport will dull a football brain as brilliant as Dalglish’s.

l RAFAEL BENITEZ was guilty of some howlers in the transfer market as Liverpool manager, but his record was nowhere near as bad as some critics have claimed.

Almost 90% of players he purchased increased in value. Momo Sissoko, Craig Bellamy, Peter Crouch were all sold for a tidy profit, while Xabi Alonso fetched three times the fee paid for him.

Pepe Reina, Javier Mascherano and Fernando Torres were bought for a combined sum of around £45m. It is not inconceivable that trio would fetch £130m in today’s market.

Liverpool have previously rejected bids of £14m for Dirk Kuyt (who cost £9m), while even flop Ryan Babel (£11m) was generating offers of over £12m in January.

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by **Judge** » Fri Jun 11, 2010 9:56 am

in answer to the thread title - YES

if king kenny becomes boss - gerrard will stay, and probably torres

by **parchpea** » Fri Jun 11, 2010 3:53 pm

I understand the point of giving Dalglish the job if it means Torres and Gerrard will stay but then again do we want a football team built around players that call the tune and a manager that is probably too close to the football club to make tough decisions. In my opinion we had a sentimental attatchment to Benitez that in the end caused us to hold on too long and now we seem to be going down the same path by calling for Dalglish who no matter how things would almost be untouchable in the role.Im not comparing us to Newcastle, but I see similarities in how we seem to be getting drawn in and all misty eyed about managers when what we need is someone to come in and do a proper job and will not mind rattling a few cages, and taking tough decisions for the good of the team as a whole. Lets face it, if Dagger takes it on we could slip and slip and slip and though we know its bad no one will dare say anything out of loyalty, but thats not healthy. Footballs a team game and if we start going down the road where certain individuals are bigger than managers and managers are bigger than the club then Im afraid we will always find it hard to build a decent side at Liverpool.

by **Reg** » Fri Jun 11, 2010 7:07 pm

Lets define 'Debt Reduction'.

Debt reduction means selling a player and using the money to repair the balance sheet where cash has been syphoned off to pay outrageous interest rates on club loans to the lender, who happens also to be the borrower.

Laurel & Hardy's loans to buy the club and 48 million quid of stadium fees etc.. were borrowed from H&G's holding company. They dumped the debt on the club then borrowed more money from themselves to pay monthly debt and the stadium farce against which we continue to pay over the odds interest.

T&T borrow from T&T who pay T&T, who then sell Torres/Stevie and put the money back into the club to cover up the theft.

If they appoint Kenny, then theres a man who like Rafa, who might just satnd up and say 'NO'.

Way too dangerous.

by **Owzat** » Sat Jun 12, 2010 10:24 am

Ciggy wrote:RAFAEL BENITEZ was guilty of some howlers in the transfer market as Liverpool manager, but his record was nowhere near as bad as some critics have claimed.

Almost 90% of players he purchased increased in value. Momo Sissoko, Craig Bellamy, Peter Crouch were all sold for a tidy profit, while Xabi Alonso fetched three times the fee paid for him.

Bellamy sold at a £1m profit, Crouch supposedly £4m profit but plenty argue that we were still owed £7m of the £11m so, if you take that out of the Johnson transfer as many like to, that means we sold him for £4m. We also made minor profits on players that cost nothing or next to nothing, success in the transfer market is buying players who succeed in a shirt not on profit/loss

Clubs do make profits on players, you know like buying Ronaldo for £12.24m, getting three league titles and a European Cup while he was here, then selling for £80m. Or buying Lescott for something like £5m and selling to some numpty for £22m+. Or buying Anelka for £500k and selling for £23m. Doesn't make Rafa a genius in the transfer market. I could cite the length of time players stayed as evidence of his failings, but I'm sure someone will only argue "transition" as if you can only sign stop-gap players when you take over a club, or that is what some of the bigger sales were about

by **Owzat** » Sat Jun 12, 2010 10:28 am

Ciggy wrote:Liverpool have previously rejected bids of £14m for Dirk Kuyt (who cost £9m), while even flop Ryan Babel (£11m) was generating offers of over £12m in January.

Kuyt is an important member of the squad, I wouldn't sell him because he is worth more to the squad than any fee someone would offer - unless someone offers £20m.

Babel on the other hand would not be missed. FIFTEEN of his 25 appearances in the Premiership this season were as sub, half his four goals came in one game as sub, and it was a similar story last season with 2/3 of his 27 apps as sub. Kuyt on the other hand has missed ONE league game in two seasons, not through injury. I think a few lack the appreciation of how important a player being fit is, star players are all fine and dandy except when they are injured and their absence is/can be costly. That's not to say being fit all the time is the be all and end all, but I think it is undervalued by most fans.

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