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by **Dirty Barry** » Sun Jan 17, 2010 7:30 pm

If we don't get top 4 I think a few will leave. :angry:

by **Fauxy** » Sun Jan 17, 2010 7:38 pm

Tattyhoker wrote:Women and Children, make way for the Captain

So Stevie wants out.. well that’s nothing new, Isn’t this the local hero who moaned and groaned through 2005 about whether he should leave for Chelsea? He wanted to win things so he could decorate his trophy cabinet, and he wanted to take the easy option by joining a club which bought success by paying top dollar for the best players in Europe. Obviously that was more attractive than staying and fighting for the home town club which was so good to him – only the lucky CL win and a huge payrise kept him at Anfield… not a sense of loyalty.

Since 2005 he has continued in his self serving selfish ways; he wouldn’t play on the right because he wanted to be the main man in the middle. Then when Torres came he made sure he was moved up front to play alongside him so that Torres wouldn’t get all the glory.

When Stevie is sitting down with his agent he should remember one fact before he buys his new piggy bank. On Christmas day 2008 we were top of the league. A couple of days later we thrashed Newcastle 5 – 0. Things never looked so good. That evening Stevie got himself arrested after a pub brawl. Liverpool drew the next three league games against Stoke, Everton and Wigan dropping 6 points and moving from 1st to 3rd in the process. Liverpool FC stood by him and supported him but the damage was done. We lost the league by two points.

This season has been poor to say the least but in fairness we’ve had more than our share of bad luck. Instead of inspiring confidence around him, Stevie is going to sulk again. He wants out and he doesn’t care what that does to the club. What does it say to the squad players if Gerrard wants to abandon ship? Why would Mascherano or Torres stay on board?

You can say what you like about Gary Neville but you have to respect him for what he is – a club stalwart – absolutely committed and loyal to his club. Would he start crying if things were tough for United? No he wouldn’t. He would say “I’m staying, I’m in it for the long haul, I’m going to work my butt of to get us out of this”.

Loyalty is not pocketing 150k a week for a club which is riding high domestically and internationally like we were for the past few seasons. Loyalty is putting a bigger effort in when the going is tough not destabilising the club with thoughts of leaving.

In the 2010/11 season the Kop will sing as it always does. Whether Stevie plays at Anfield for us or someone else will be the measure of the man. What do you want the kop to sing Stevie? “When you walk through the storm, hold your head up high” or “You left me, just when I needed you most” The choice is yours.. Liverpool Legend or spoiled brat.

very nice post

Agree with everything there.

by **Emerald Red** » Sun Jan 17, 2010 7:53 pm

Can't take a thread serious when the manager's name isn't even spelt correctly.

by **Igor Zidane** » Sun Jan 17, 2010 7:54 pm

Torres , Reina , mascherano , even babel have come out and said publicly that the manager needs to be backed with funds .Where the feck are our two local Hero's the feckin pair of bascombe supporting :censored:

'ouses.

by **Scottbot** » Sun Jan 17, 2010 7:54 pm

So Gerrard wants to leave then? Is anyone actually buying this? Just because they talked about it talked on TalkSport (the Sun of the radio)? Plus we're talking about Liverpool here which is a city of rumours. Think I'll wait until I hear something from the manager/player before I buy into any of this bullsh...i...t.

by **Igor Zidane** » Sun Jan 17, 2010 7:58 pm

No one is bigger than LFC , be it the manager, the players ,the directors ,ex-sh!thouse players , not even the posters on the interweb .

We'll see come wednesday night , what the fans think of the manager . The match going fans that is .

by **Emerald Red** » Sun Jan 17, 2010 7:59 pm

supersub wrote:So in effect Gerrard is bigger than the club that pays him enough money to buy a house in Wavertree every week and if he stamps his feet and throws his dummy out , you are pleased with that...

No player , manager or John Bullsh.tter is bigger than the club and all are replaceable at the right price...thats how it has always been and will be forever

Winner!

Now lock the thread.

by **haps** » Sun Jan 17, 2010 8:08 pm

Tattyhoker wrote:Women and Children, make way for the Captain

So Stevie wants out.. well that’s nothing new, Isn’t this the local hero who moaned and groaned through 2005 about whether he should leave for Chelsea? He wanted to win things so he could decorate his trophy cabinet, and he wanted to take the easy option by joining a club which bought success by paying top dollar for the best players in Europe. Obviously that was more attractive than staying and fighting for the home town club which was so good to him – only the lucky CL win and a huge payrise kept him at Anfield… not a sense of loyalty.

Since 2005 he has continued in his self serving selfish ways; he wouldn’t play on the right because he wanted to be the main man in the middle. Then when Torres came he made sure he was moved up front to play alongside him so that Torres wouldn’t get all the glory.

When Stevie is sitting down with his agent he should remember one fact before he buys his new piggy bank. On Christmas day 2008 we were top of the league. A couple of days later we thrashed Newcastle 5 – 0. Things never looked so good. That evening Stevie got himself arrested after a pub brawl. Liverpool drew the next three league games against Stoke, Everton and Wigan dropping 6 points and moving from 1st to 3rd in the process. Liverpool FC stood by him and supported him but the damage was done. We lost the league by two points.

This season has been poor to say the least but in fairness we’ve had more than our share of bad luck. Instead of inspiring confidence around him, Stevie is going to sulk again. He wants out and he doesn’t care what that does to the club. What does it say to the squad players if Gerrard wants to abandon ship? Why would Mascherano or Torres stay on board?

You can say what you like about Gary Neville but you have to respect him for what he is – a club stalwart – absolutely committed and loyal to his club. Would he start crying if things were tough for United? No he wouldn’t. He would say “I’m staying, I’m in it for the long haul, I’m going to work my butt of to get us out of this”.

Loyalty is not pocketing 150k a week for a club which is riding high domestically and internationally like we were for the past few seasons. Loyalty is putting a bigger effort in when the going is tough not destabilising the club with thoughts of leaving.

In the 2010/11 season the Kop will sing as it always does. Whether Stevie plays at Anfield for us or someone else will be the measure of the man. What do you want the kop to sing Stevie? “When you walk through the storm, hold your head up high” or “You left me, just when I needed you most” The choice is yours.. Liverpool Legend or spoiled brat.

Fuc***g ignorant knee-jerk reaction post to a totally unsubstantiated piece of gossip in the first place. If you think Steven Gerard is disloyal to LFC, you are an idiot. He's done more for this club in the past 6/7 seasons than any player you can name. Bar none. Idiot.

by **NANNY RED** » Sun Jan 17, 2010 8:10 pm

Igor Zidane wrote:No one is bigger than LFC , be it the manager, the players ,the directors ,ex-sh!thouse players , not even the posters on the interweb .

We'll see come wednesday night , what the fans think of the manager . The match going fans that is .

sniff sniff. im not goin

But im goin to wolves :;):

by **Masch79** » Sun Jan 17, 2010 8:34 pm

JohnBull wrote:Raffa should count these two blessings and build the team around them.

If he does that then what happens when they're injured an we don't have the same quality of player to replace them? ....... oh yeah

If they've ad a bust up so what - at least it shows how much Stevie cares, but as for not wantin to play for the manager that's feckin shyte. he's the captain and should know that he plays for LFC not the feckin manager.

by **Fauxy** » Sun Jan 17, 2010 8:38 pm

Here is a post I found on Rawk

Thought it made sense actually! :

Contrary to the popular myth about us being a two man team, second half yesterday, after Gerrard and Torres went off, there was a noticeable difference with the team and the way we were playing. We actually played better. And it's not the first time it's happened, in the past we've had decent games when our so called 'can't do without' players weren't playing.

I find it ironic whenever we draw or lose and Gerrard hasn't played when the media and TV say 'shows how much they rely on Gerrard' when in actual fact, our record without him in the past has been favourable and we also seem to play with less fear.

Like when Shearer was at Newcastle and Henry was at Arsenal, they are such talismanic figures, the other players seem to play with fear at times when they are on the pitch. Didn't Fabregas say they started to play better when Henry went? (although you could argue that they've also won :censored:

all without him!)

Whether that's through the way they conduct themselves (Gerrard has been a bit of a sulk this year, and in certain games has bollocked the younger lads a few times). They look to them, Gerrard and Torres, and they look to Stevie because he's the captain.

I half think though they feel intimidated by Gerrard, because of who he is, and they feel if they misplace a pass, or not pass to him, they'll get a bollocking. Like Ngog's run and shot last night. Stevie gave him an earful for not passing it. And he hadn't been on the pitch long.

Now I'm NOT advocating getting rid of him, and I'm not saying he doesn't do a great deal for the team with him there, but what do people think about the negative effect having a talismanic figure sometimes has on other players in a team? As in, should the other lads grow some balls once in a while or do they feel so intimidated by the captain that they feel every pass has to be perfect and start to play within themselves?

I remember people saying Alonso used to play better without Stevie. When Stevie was injured, Alonso seemed to come out of his shell. This is the kind of thing I mean. I know this is all concentrating on Stevie, but do talismanic figures at clubs sometimes have a negative effect on the rest of the team when things aren't going as well also?

by **Masch79** » Sun Jan 17, 2010 8:38 pm

Tattyhoker wrote:Women and Children, make way for the Captain

So Stevie wants out.. well that’s nothing new, Isn’t this the local hero who moaned and groaned through 2005 about whether he should leave for Chelsea? He wanted to win things so he could decorate his trophy cabinet, and he wanted to take the easy option by joining a club which bought success by paying top dollar for the best players in Europe. Obviously that was more attractive than staying and fighting for the home town club which was so good to him – only the lucky CL win and a huge payrise kept him at Anfield… not a sense of loyalty.

Since 2005 he has continued in his self serving selfish ways; he wouldn’t play on the right because he wanted to be the main man in the middle. Then when Torres came he made sure he was moved up front to play alongside him so that Torres wouldn’t get all the glory.

When Stevie is sitting down with his agent he should remember one fact before he buys his new piggy bank. On Christmas day 2008 we were top of the league. A couple of days later we thrashed Newcastle 5 – 0. Things never looked so good. That evening Stevie got himself arrested after a pub brawl. Liverpool drew the next three league games against Stoke, Everton and Wigan dropping 6 points and moving from 1st to 3rd in the process. Liverpool FC stood by him and supported him but the damage was done. We lost the league by two points.

This season has been poor to say the least but in fairness we’ve had more than our share of bad luck. Instead of inspiring confidence around him, Stevie is going to sulk again. He wants out and he doesn’t care what that does to the club. What does it say to the squad players if Gerrard wants to abandon ship? Why would Mascherano or Torres stay on board?

You can say what you like about Gary Neville but you have to respect him for what he is – a club stalwart – absolutely committed and loyal to his club. Would he start crying if things were tough for United? No he wouldn’t. He would say “I’m staying, I’m in it for the long haul, I’m going to work my butt of to get us out of this”.

Loyalty is not pocketing 150k a week for a club which is riding high domestically and internationally like we were for the past few seasons. Loyalty is putting a bigger effort in when the going is tough not destabilising the club with thoughts of leaving.

In the 2010/11 season the Kop will sing as it always does. Whether Stevie plays at Anfield for us or someone else will be the measure of the man. What do you want the kop to sing Stevie? “When you walk through the storm, hold your head up high” or “You left me, just when I needed you most” The choice is yours.. Liverpool Legend or spoiled brat.

Nice post mate.

Agree with a most of it though am sure there was also a love for the club that kept him here as well, and no matter what I can't think of GN in a +ve light!

by **mart** » Sun Jan 17, 2010 8:46 pm

JohnBull wrote:Gerrard should not be called upon to cover every blade of grass and Torres should not be expected to suffer the attentions of four defenders on his own.
Raffa should count these two blessings and build the team around them.

I wonder if you have seen liverpool play?
The team is built around them and their partnership. Gerrard is free to roam as he pleases and Torres is playing better than ever as a lone striker. Look at how he is playing in the spanish national team. Torres was playing much better in liverpool as a lone striker than in the spanish national side with one of the worlds best strikers (Villa) as a partner.

Sure this season the players around our biggest stars has not been up to the job, but quite frankly neither has torres/gerrard. With the current injuries, bad luck and bad morale the team has suffered, but its definetly not because the team is not built around torres and gerrard.

by **Waldo** » Sun Jan 17, 2010 9:29 pm

Fauxy wrote:Here is a post I found on Rawk

Thought it made sense actually! :

Contrary to the popular myth about us being a two man team, second half yesterday, after Gerrard and Torres went off, there was a noticeable difference with the team and the way we were playing. We actually played better. And it's not the first time it's happened, in the past we've had decent games when our so called 'can't do without' players weren't playing.

I find it ironic whenever we draw or lose and Gerrard hasn't played when the media and TV say 'shows how much they rely on Gerrard' when in actual fact, our record without him in the past has been favourable and we also seem to play with less fear.

Like when Shearer was at Newcastle and Henry was at Arsenal, they are such talismanic figures, the other players seem to play with fear at times when they are on the pitch. Didn't Fabregas say they started to play better when Henry went? (although you could argue that they've also won all without him!)

Whether that's through the way they conduct themselves (Gerrard has been a bit of a sulk this year, and in certain games has bollocked the younger lads a few times). They look to them, Gerrard and Torres, and they look to Stevie because he's the captain.

I half think though they feel intimidated by Gerrard, because of who he is, and they feel if they misplace a pass, or not pass to him, they'll get a bollocking. Like Ngog's run and shot last night. Stevie gave him an earful for not passing it. And he hadn't been on the pitch long.

Now I'm NOT advocating getting rid of him, and I'm not saying he doesn't do a great deal for the team with him there, but what do people think about the negative effect having a talismanic figure sometimes has on other players in a team? As in, should the other lads grow some balls once in a while or do they feel so intimidated by the captain that they feel every pass has to be perfect and start to play within themselves?

I remember people saying Alonso used to play better without Stevie. When Stevie was injured, Alonso seemed to come out of his shell. This is the kind of thing I mean. I know this is all concentrating on Stevie, but do talismanic figures at clubs sometimes have a negative effect on the rest of the team when things aren't going as well also?

I can see the point. Yossi (who didn't kick a ball 1st half vs Reading) looked a different player in the 2nd half with no Gerrard and Torres in team.

by **Sir Roger** » Sun Jan 17, 2010 9:30 pm

Tattyhoker wrote:Women and Children, make way for the Captain

So Stevie wants out.. well that’s nothing new, Isn’t this the local hero who moaned and groaned through 2005 about whether he should leave for Chelsea? He wanted to win things so he could decorate his trophy cabinet, and he wanted to take the easy option by joining a club which bought success by paying top dollar for the best players in Europe. Obviously that was more attractive than staying and fighting for the home town club which was so good to him – only the lucky CL win and a huge payrise kept him at Anfield… not a sense of loyalty.

Since 2005 he has continued in his self serving selfish ways; he wouldn’t play on the right because he wanted to be the main man in the middle. Then when Torres came he made sure he was moved up front to play alongside him so that Torres wouldn’t get all the glory.

When Stevie is sitting down with his agent he should remember one fact before he buys his new piggy bank. On Christmas day 2008 we were top of the league. A couple of days later we thrashed Newcastle 5 – 0. Things never looked so good. That evening Stevie got himself arrested after a pub brawl. Liverpool drew the next three league games against Stoke, Everton and Wigan dropping 6 points and moving from 1st to 3rd in the process. Liverpool FC stood by him and supported him but the damage was done. We lost the league by two points.

This season has been poor to say the least but in fairness we’ve had more than our share of bad luck. Instead of inspiring confidence around him, Stevie is going to sulk again. He wants out and he doesn’t care what that does to the club. What does it say to the squad players if Gerrard wants to abandon ship? Why would Mascherano or Torres stay on board?

You can say what you like about Gary Neville but you have to respect him for what he is – a club stalwart – absolutely committed and loyal to his club. Would he start crying if things were tough for United? No he wouldn’t. He would say “I’m staying, I’m in it for the long haul, I’m going to work my butt of to get us out of this”.

Loyalty is not pocketing 150k a week for a club which is riding high domestically and internationally like we were for the past few seasons. Loyalty is putting a bigger effort in when the going is tough not destabilising the club with thoughts of leaving.

In the 2010/11 season the Kop will sing as it always does. Whether Stevie plays at Anfield for us or someone else will be the measure of the man. What do you want the kop to sing Stevie? “When you walk through the storm, hold your head up high” or “You left me, just when I needed you most” The choice is yours.. Liverpool Legend or spoiled brat.

Some fantastic points there. I agree absolutely with the point about him dithering after winning the cL. He went down in my estimation as he should have been totally focussed on staying with the club that hed just won the greatest trophy in the world with.
I also agree with the point about the brawl. What a Fu*king wa'nker getting involved with all that :censored:

. He should be well above all that. He is the Captain of LFC FFS!
Whether of not it cost us the league is debatable. It did have a negative effect though definitely.
Your point about him sulking and using neville as a comparison is spot on. What does it say to people that our Captain and best player is openly showing his contempt for his team mates and manager in public on and off the pitch?
He should shut his mouth and concentrate on repaying the faith and adulation that thousands of fans have given him over the years.
In other words pull your finger out and grow up Stevie
Prove that you deserve the armband and show some leadership or give it to someone who will

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