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by **roberto green** » Sun Jan 10, 2010 3:44 pm

sully0182 wrote:Seriously, this is a lot like the leeds situation a few years ago, big club under terrible ownership, banking on success to get rid of a huge debt (owners debt in our case i suppose), the next thing that happened was leeds sold their big names (ferdinand, kewell, viduka), going by rafa's comments we could be doing the same thing

i really hope i'm wrong but it looks like we could be goin down the same road

I don't think we will come to that,well I hope to fook we don't and even if we did there would be pure up roar.

by **sully0182** » Sun Jan 10, 2010 3:50 pm

tell that to the leeds fans

by **Emerald Red** » Sun Jan 10, 2010 3:58 pm

That article does nothing but reinforce what I've been saying for a few years now.

by **NANNY RED** » Sun Jan 10, 2010 5:41 pm

Emerald Red wrote:That article does nothing but reinforce what I've been saying for a few years now.

An its what some of us have been sayin Ste, but the problem is mate , a lot of fans think by getting rid of Rafa , the club will be ok. It wont until these two go, Hopefully now the ones that have sat on the fence regarding thses two and the state theve got us in will open there eyes, I got told last season by someone next to me at the match, consentrate on the team , off the pitch will sort itsself out, No it wont, its gonna get worse and im terrified of the outcome,

by **Emerald Red** » Sun Jan 10, 2010 5:49 pm

NANNY RED wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:That article does nothing but reinforce what I've been saying for a few years now.

An its what some of us have been sayin Ste, but the problem is mate , a lot of fans think by getting rid of Rafa , the club will be ok. It wont until these two go, Hopefully now the ones that have sat on the fence regarding thses two and the state theve got us in will open there eyes, I got told last season by someone next to me at the match, consentrate on the team , off the pitch will sort itsself out, No it wont, its gonna get worse and im terrified of the outcome,

It's up to the players now. Do they fight tooth and nail for the sake of this club, or do they bottle it and show no spine whatsoever. If this side is good enough as some claim it to be, then they have a duty to perform for this club.

by **account deleted by request** » Sun Jan 10, 2010 6:09 pm

NANNY RED wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:That article does nothing but reinforce what I've been saying for a few years now.

An its what some of us have been sayin Ste, but the problem is mate , a lot of fans think by getting rid of Rafa , the club will be ok. It wont until these two go, Hopefully now the ones that have sat on the fence regarding thses two and the state theve got us in will open there eyes, I got told last season by someone next to me at the match, consentrate on the team , off the pitch will sort itsself out, No it wont, its gonna get worse and im terrified of the outcome,

If Rafa hadn't fecked up our season, NONE of this would have arrisen. We would have got money from the CL, the players would be dreaming of glory rather than playing for Man City, and our delightful owners would be like pigs in muck with the extra revenue.

Blame the owners, but don't forget the part that Rafa has played either. No proper preparation pre-season, buying injured players, spending almost half our money on a full back when we had other more important positions to fill.

Still its much easier and much more popular to just blame the owners .....so lets just do that.

by **NANNY RED** » Sun Jan 10, 2010 6:15 pm

Saint im not saying Rafa is blameless mate , but ive been shouting from the rooftops about these two and what could happen if we didnt finish in the top four , W hat could happen if top class signings wernt made , what would happen if we had no money, I was still saying it last season Saint when we were in second place, And yes im gonna stick my neck out and say even if another manager was in charge this season we would still be looking at the same problems, I know you are anti Them two as much as i am , but you do have a lot of supporters Saint who think that if Rafa wasnt here everything would be ok , im sorry but it wouldnt,

by **account deleted by request** » Sun Jan 10, 2010 6:45 pm

I agree Nanny that changing the manager wouldn't solve the main problems we have, but it might make living with the problems a little easier. Look at the mancs, sold Ronaldo and Tevez and hardly spent a fortune replacing them...... times are hard. Success on the field helps though, a few bargain buys that turn into top class players would too. We need to keep our best players, and the best way to keep them is with a successful team.

Failure costs money and costs us players. Good players want to leave unsuccessful teams, and great players don't want to join. Its a lot harder persuading players to join a club with little money ESPECIALLY when you don't have a successful team.

We need new owners I don't doubt that, but in the meantime we need a successful team to make things a little easier, both for the team the club and the fans.

by **loopyliverpool** » Sun Jan 10, 2010 7:05 pm

I was listening to the radio today and Lawrenson said that he didn't think either Gerrard or Torres were 100 % fit and due to their type of injuries there is little chance of them becoming so unless they have ops. The problem we have is that we don't have cover for these two players (who does) but in a World Cup year they may be playing for god knows how long before their respective problems are given the proper attention they require. My question is should the manager play them now and risk further complications down the line or should he give them the proper time off and medical attention for them to recover and become the great players they can only be when fully fit? With all the emphasis on a top four I cannot see the later happening but for the players I think it the right option.

by **tubby** » Sun Jan 10, 2010 7:21 pm

s@int wrote:
NANNY RED wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:That article does nothing but reinforce what I've been saying for a few years now.

An its what some of us have been sayin Ste, but the problem is mate , a lot of fans think by getting rid of Rafa , the club will be ok. It wont until these two go, Hopefully now the ones that have sat on the fence regarding thses two and the state theve got us in will open there eyes, I got told last season by someone next to me at the match, consentrate on the team , off the pitch will sort itsself out, No it wont, its gonna get worse and im terrified of the outcome,

If Rafa hadn't fecked up our season, NONE of this would have arrisen. We would have got money from the CL, the players would be dreaming of glory rather than playing for Man City, and our delightful owners would be like pigs in muck with the extra revenue.

Blame the owners, but don't forget the part that Rafa has played either. No proper preparation pre-season, buying injured players, spending almost half our money on a full back when we had other more important positions to fill.

Still its much easier and much more popular to just blame the owners .....so lets just do that.

Just to touch on the fullback part who else could he have gone for? Arby was dead set on going anyway so he forced Rafa to go out and get someone quick. We don't have any other options there aside from Degen.

by **muzza798** » Sun Jan 10, 2010 7:28 pm

I dont think it would be a disaster selling Torres and Gerrard. Yh, aset back but with the 100-150 mil we'd have we could get about 6 or 7 really really good players which would give us depth. Ok maybe we wouldnt have Torres but we'd have 3 very good strikers and instead of Gerrard we'd prob have Mata + 2 or 3 other attacking players and maybe a good 10 mil defender.

by **Sir Roger** » Sun Jan 10, 2010 7:30 pm

muzza798 wrote:I dont think it would be a disaster selling Torres and Gerrard. Yh, aset back but with the 100-150 mil we'd have we could get about 6 or 7 really really good players which would give us depth. Ok maybe we wouldnt have Torres but we'd have 3 very good strikers and instead of Gerrard we'd prob have Mata + 2 or 3 other attacking players and maybe a good 10 mil defender.

Ey-up
A businessman...

by **Penguins** » Sun Jan 10, 2010 7:42 pm

And you really think the manager would see half of that money?

What would be the reason to sell Gerrard+Torres in the 1st place? Debt reducing, not investing in the team.

This was bound to happen with the way this club was bought.
Buy the club for 200 million, take a loan in the club for 350 million and spend as much on players for one year as you can to hot up the product and make it look like the club has got money and that the owners are spending money, while all is from that big loan they took out. Then after that money from the loan is gone
there is no money at all to spend on new players for the forseeable future.

All was probably made in the hop that someone would buy the club or buy a share into the club when the loaned money was spent to make the club look great....

by **Masch79** » Sun Jan 10, 2010 7:49 pm

muzza798 wrote:I dont think it would be a disaster selling Torres and Gerrard. Yh, aset back but with the 100-150 mil we'd have we could get about 6 or 7 really really good players which would give us depth. Ok maybe we wouldnt have Torres but we'd have 3 very good strikers and instead of Gerrard we'd prob have Mata + 2 or 3 other attacking players and maybe a good 10 mil defender.

Problem is if we got say £110m for sellin them two there would prob only be £50m available to spend on players an the rest would pay off some of the debt.

I wouldn't be surprised if there is legislation in place soon to stop companies being bought in the way we were. The rule should be if ya wanna buy summat, use yer own fu.ckin money

by **account deleted by request** » Sun Jan 10, 2010 8:12 pm

bavlondon wrote:Just to touch on the fullback part who else could he have gone for? Arby was dead set on going anyway so he forced Rafa to go out and get someone quick. We don't have any other options there aside from Degen.

Maybe if we hadn't wasted £7million on a left back in Dossena we could have got a half decent right back instead?

I think we could have snatched Richards last season for around £7million..... obviously money is the least of Citeh's concerns now.

This is what annoys me though Bav, there must be plenty of talent in the lower divisions that doesn't even get looked at anymore. Maybe for once we could have picked up a bargain rather than paying top dollar or buying foreign.

And who's fault is it that our only alternative was an injury prone Degen ?

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