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lakes10 wrote:

Emerald Red wrote:

lakes10 wrote:

Emerald Red wrote:Look, argue the toss all you want. Fact is, it's a figure that raised a few eyebrows when it was brought to the attention of supporters not so long ago. No matter what age of football we're in, it's still an impressive statistic. Point being, that if we've a manager that is supposed to be taking us backwards, then I hope we can keep going backwards. What's that saying, two steps backwards, one step forward? Erm, now that is being ironic.

yes mate and the amount of win over the last few weeks if we keep going like that we will be going backwards into the Championship.

I know you dont like it but football has moved on so much in 20 years and managers today can not be stated up with old managers, theres too much money in the game now, if any of the top 4 teams dont end up in the top 4 then the managers job is at risk, that would not have happend 20 years ago.

with better tv rights and CL and overseas game bringing in so much moneys any owner will make the top 4 spots as a must.

i tell you now that if man u did not make the top 4 for 2 years there would be a new manager there.

Lakes, if we - or any other club - sacked their manager every time they had a bad spell due to an atrocious injury crisis in the league, then clubs would be changing managers two or three times a season. And before anyone starts that it's not down to just injuries, IMO, it's MOSTLY down to injuries. I don't give a f*ck what anyone says: if you take 8 players (we'd 10 at one point) out of any squad, anywhere in the world, then that team will suffer big time. Our team is not as sh*t as some over-reactionaries like to think. Wait until we get at least something that resembles our first team running for a few games before at least attempting to make out that everything is down to Mr Benitez. This is the worst injury list I've ever seen in my time as a Liverpool supporter of 20 or so years and it's reflecting on our season.

Another thing: Torres has been battling through a hernia problem. People moaned about why Rafa was taking him off against Fulham, well there's the answer. People would also moan why he wouldn't have started against Lyon seeing he got taken off. Rafa said he was taking a risk with him. So does Rafa play Torres and risk injuring him for about another 2 months, or does he play him for a bit, then sub him? (which happend). What would happen if Rafa played him and he got badly injured? Sure enough, people would b*tch about him playing him in the first place. The man cannot win! I can understand the press being w"nkers about such a thing, but our own fans? It's now looking very likely that Fernando will need an op, as will Gerrard

injury list/ other teams have had it just as bad mate, yet they had a better bench than us, look at man u the other year, almost the whole team was out yet they still won the prem.

the problem i that if Rafa had spent more time building a better bench and not just youth players, having 3 big players out would not hurt as much.

Ciggy wrote:The fact remains that Moores and Parry interviewed Strachan and Curbishley before Rafa, and twit & tw@t interviewed Klinnsman, these will be the type of managers that come to Liverpool if Rafa leaves so be careful what you wish for.

Latest from Xabi 

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol....336.ece

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“I still have great respect for him,” Alonso said. “I’m very grateful to him for the five great years I had at Liverpool. Of course the situation isn’t the best right now, but he knows how to turn it around. It’s not the Liverpool way to sack a manager after a few bad results early in the season. He is the right man for the club. It wouldn’t be a good decision to change the manager. He’s a great manager.”

classy as always, really miss him. 

heimdall wrote:

Lando_Griffin wrote:

heimdall wrote:

Rockthekop wrote:Rafa got it so wrong last night by playing Voronin.  He offered absolutely nothing in the first half yet Rafa kept him on until the 68th min. 

You can't defend the decision to play him never mind persist with him until the 68th minute.  It is nothing new for Rafa though, he has done it with Kuyt, Lucas and others in the past.

He also has a habit of bringing off players who are having a good game, he doesn't like bringing off either of his beloved holding players even if we need to score.

The man is an enigma, there's no method in his madness but there's madness in his method!

I'm actually starting to think he's a bit dim, some of his decisions just don't make any footballing sense at all, e.g Voronin. Also why in the feck did he not play Aquaman, at least give him 20 minutes and tell him to stake a claim, become a hero.

Because he isn't fit you sad fool. DO you even think about things before you type them?

I wish you would accidentally break your laptop and give us all a break from your feeble posts.

I'll break it for you if you want?

OK Why dn't you try and break my laptop.

"Lando who stares at keyboards" 

Why do you have to insult people Lando, surely with your vast intellect you can rise above it, or are you maybe not quite as clever and witty as you think.

If Aquaman wasn't fit, why was he on the bench, that doesn't make any sense to me and why was Nando taken off with 5 minutes to go, would those 5 minutes have injured him any more?

bigmick wrote:In fairness people who are defenders of the faith moan about people "blaming everything on Rafa", and then with posters such as Heimdall they instantly give it the old "Oh FFS I don't believe this sh!t" even when he asks a perfectly reasonable question. It's not a question of "blaming everything on Rafa" (and I actually thought we played well the other night and said so a number of times) but there are legitimate questions. One of them of course is Aquilani. Obviously if he was fit enough to be on the bench he was capable of playing at least for some time, and it's a reasonable question to ask why he didn't. Now I don't really care whether he did or didn't to be perfectly honest, nor am I convinced he would have had an effect either way, but the question in itself is not ridiculous, as much as some people would prefer to pretend it is.

Similarly, I don't myself think taking Torres off "invited them onto us" anymore than would have been the case anyway. I do think it is legitimate though to question whether resting him for four minutes made any difference (I'd have taken him off much earlier to be honest), and also it is reasonable to ask whether putting on a defender rather than N'Gog might have been the call.

Equally, I think it's reasonable to ask whether we may have been better starting with Babel than Voronin (as I did before the match). 


Unfortunately though, as some people are so desperately keen to smother any sensible football debate and "stand up for the manager", the minute anybody asks a question they simply get shouted down which is a shame.

lakes10 wrote:injury list/ other teams have had it just as bad mate, yet they had a better bench than us, look at man u the other year, almost the whole team was out yet they still won the prem.

Ciggy wrote:The fact remains that Moores and Parry interviewed Strachan and Curbishley before Rafa, and twit & tw@t interviewed Klinnsman, these will be the type of managers that come to Liverpool if Rafa leaves so be careful what you wish for.

Latest from Xabi 

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol....336.ece

Quote:
“I still have great respect for him,” Alonso said. “I’m very grateful to him for the five great years I had at Liverpool. Of course the situation isn’t the best right now, but he knows how to turn it around. It’s not the Liverpool way to sack a manager after a few bad results early in the season. He is the right man for the club. It wouldn’t be a good decision to change the manager. He’s a great manager.”

Alonso is the man.

Lando_Griffin wrote:

bigmick wrote:In fairness people who are defenders of the faith moan about people "blaming everything on Rafa", and then with posters such as Heimdall they instantly give it the old "Oh FFS I don't believe this sh!t" even when he asks a perfectly reasonable question. It's not a question of "blaming everything on Rafa" (and I actually thought we played well the other night and said so a number of times) but there are legitimate questions. One of them of course is Aquilani. Obviously if he was fit enough to be on the bench he was capable of playing at least for some time, and it's a reasonable question to ask why he didn't. Now I don't really care whether he did or didn't to be perfectly honest, nor am I convinced he would have had an effect either way, but the question in itself is not ridiculous, as much as some people would prefer to pretend it is.

Similarly, I don't myself think taking Torres off "invited them onto us" anymore than would have been the case anyway. I do think it is legitimate though to question whether resting him for four minutes made any difference (I'd have taken him off much earlier to be honest), and also it is reasonable to ask whether putting on a defender rather than N'Gog might have been the call.

Equally, I think it's reasonable to ask whether we may have been better starting with Babel than Voronin (as I did before the match). 


Unfortunately though, as some people are so desperately keen to smother any sensible football debate and "stand up for the manager", the minute anybody asks a question they simply get shouted down which is a shame.

Let me, if I may, introduce you to the word "risk":

"Exposure to the chance of injury or loss; a hazard or dangerous chance: It's not worth the risk."

Rafa named Aquilani on the bench so that if the situation arose, it would be worth risking him for 10 minutes if we were, say, 3-0 up and cruising.

As we never got that far, it was obviously not worth risking his fitness when we were 1-0 up, or when we were 1-1.

Not that I would expect you or your surfs to understand that logic...

Owzat wrote:We might have had Aquilani on the bench because we were struggling for numbers to put on the bench and Rafa wanted what quality and experience was available with Lucas and Mascherano fit so no real need to risk Aquilani from the start. But it's all speculation, even if Rafa came out and stated why Aquilani didn't feature I'm not sure it would necessarily be the truth - especially after his BS over withdrawing Torres who is apparently at risk if he plays more than 63 mins at Craven Cottage but not so much if he plays 87 in France

Sitting Aquilani on the bench won't get him fit, a bit of playing time for the first XI or reserves will.

Emerald Red wrote:Ever play a football match?

Festy wrote:can't defend him anymore as the club of our stature should not have lost so many games this early into the season.