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Owzat wrote:

kazza wrote:Your posts do nothing .................... and will never affect the team's play, tactics or line up.

It's a forum for opinions, only a seriously deluded idiot would think what they post on here will influence Rafa or in some way "affect the team's play, tactics or line up.

That said it would explain some of his tactics and purchases 

Dazzer wrote:

Benny The Noon wrote:the conclusion was more to do with showing its not easy to win the prem without a bit of time or some serious spending in a short time to enable big players to come in all in one go as opposed to setting minimum standards . Obviously if we do start to go backwards then yes we do need to look at changing things at the end of a season , but not during it or because of a poor run , we have turned things round before and have faith we can do again .

O the irony Your first dig at me was that I was making 10 posts a day and they was all rubbish you on 27 a day and they are indeed rubbish as well.

Instead of just saying what i said was rubbish please explain to me what parts are rubbish and explain why - you might get taken a bit more seriously .

Micheal- Minimum standard for me is to ensure we get in the top 4 - that is an absolute must - if he doesnt achieve that then would seriously look at replacing him if their is a viable option we can go for .

Lando_Griffin wrote:

bigmick wrote:

Benny The Noon wrote:nayway thats my story over - conclusion - it took ferguson 7 years and a lot of players to win the prem for the first time in 26 years - it took chelsea 250 mil in two seasons to win the prem .

That's not really a conclusion though mate, it's two statements. Is the conclusion that if Rafa is at the helm for seven seasons that he will win the Premiership as well? Or is it that we'll need to give Rafa 250 million quid over two seasons in order for him to win it?

If it's the first one, then all is good because he's in his sixth season now. If it's the second one, then I think in the current financial climate and with our owners, I think it's unlikely to happen.

And what if the seventh season doesn't yield the title (it's probably unfair on the manager to expect it in truth), what then? What if this turns out to be our fourth without a trophy, what then? I guess what happens then is we revert to what each of us considers to be our "minimum standard". I do wonder sometimes though what some peoples minimum is, or indeed whether or not they have one.

For me, having shown we have a good enough team last season (and indeed in the season before that IMHO) to challenge for the title, we really ought to challenge for it each season. That doesn't mean we necessarily have to finish within four points like we did last time, but at least we should be able to put up a bona fide attempt. Being out of contention by the end of October, after ten matches is neither a realistic nor a bona fide challenge. Now for me, as that represents a serious step backwards on our previous efforts, if there aren't mitigating circumstances I'd be looking for a new manager at the end of the season.

Some people have more patience and "faith" in the manager than me, and that's fair enough of course. What if we don't challenge next season though, or the one after that? Do we actually have a minimum standard, or is it written in sand and we just rub it out each season and blame wherever we end up on the owners?

What if you actually look at the situation without the prejudice? What if you analyze the accurate figures and drop the "I hate Rafa" pretense?

What if...?

made in UK wrote:

heimdall wrote:

Benny The Noon wrote:Whoa please explain where i said he is as good as bellamy ?


There is a difference of opinion and then there is failing to see whats in front of your face - cant believe you had the gaul to suggest that finish against Man Utd was simple and then fail to back up statements like "he only scores tap ins" when the truth is the last two where far from tap ins.

Erm wasn't Wash one on one with Van der Sar, any striker who misses in that circumstance, and don't forget that VDS did get his hand to the shot, should be fecking sacked. I have not seen any great movement or vision from N'Gog and the goals he has scored up to now have been fairly simple tap ins, certainly nothing exciting.

you were comparing how many goals he had scored compared to Bellamy, if that isn't a direct comparison then I'm not quite sure what is?

You're still harping on about N'gog's goal against Man U.

'If he missed then he should be fecking sacked'.

I don't even know why I'm replying to this. Obviously you have never played football to make such a brainless comment like that.

If you think that finnish looked easy it was because N'gog made it look easy. Beating a sizeable frame like VDS when he's coming off his line to narrow the angle on a one on one is not easy. His finnish just shows how people like you take things for granted.

Cut him some slack or refrain from talking football as you clearly have no idea what you're on about.

So you don't think that beating a keeper one on one should be a minimum requirement for a premiership striker earning £50k+ a week becuase I fecking do! In fact what I expect for £50k a week is intelligent movement and game awareness, something which I have not seen yet from Wash.

You are right though I have never played top level football, but then again neither has Rafa.   

heimdall wrote:

made in UK wrote:

heimdall wrote:

Benny The Noon wrote:Whoa please explain where i said he is as good as bellamy ?


There is a difference of opinion and then there is failing to see whats in front of your face - cant believe you had the gaul to suggest that finish against Man Utd was simple and then fail to back up statements like "he only scores tap ins" when the truth is the last two where far from tap ins.

Erm wasn't Wash one on one with Van der Sar, any striker who misses in that circumstance, and don't forget that VDS did get his hand to the shot, should be fecking sacked. I have not seen any great movement or vision from N'Gog and the goals he has scored up to now have been fairly simple tap ins, certainly nothing exciting.

you were comparing how many goals he had scored compared to Bellamy, if that isn't a direct comparison then I'm not quite sure what is?

You're still harping on about N'gog's goal against Man U.

'If he missed then he should be fecking sacked'.

I don't even know why I'm replying to this. Obviously you have never played football to make such a brainless comment like that.

If you think that finnish looked easy it was because N'gog made it look easy. Beating a sizeable frame like VDS when he's coming off his line to narrow the angle on a one on one is not easy. His finnish just shows how people like you take things for granted.

Cut him some slack or refrain from talking football as you clearly have no idea what you're on about.

So you don't think that beating a keeper one on one should be a minimum requirement for a premiership striker earning £50k+ a week becuase I fecking do! In fact what I expect for £50k a week is intelligent movement and game awareness, something which I have not seen yet from Wash.

You are right though I have never played top level football, but then again neither has Rafa.   

bunglemark2 wrote:Jesus wept an ocean....
FFS, Dazzer, Heimdall and a few others on this forum need serious psychiatric counselling.....It's one attack and whinge after another these days. And it is exceedingly dull....
If the sole purpose of your intended post is to whine or accuse somebody else of picking on you, please go buy an aquarium, fill it with lots of colourful fish (and some water, naturally), and grab a six-pack and a stool...
Man, oh man....

Yepp fair point and well done for not whinging yourself.   

Benny The Noon wrote:

heimdall wrote:

made in UK wrote:

heimdall wrote:

Benny The Noon wrote:Whoa please explain where i said he is as good as bellamy ?


There is a difference of opinion and then there is failing to see whats in front of your face - cant believe you had the gaul to suggest that finish against Man Utd was simple and then fail to back up statements like "he only scores tap ins" when the truth is the last two where far from tap ins.

Erm wasn't Wash one on one with Van der Sar, any striker who misses in that circumstance, and don't forget that VDS did get his hand to the shot, should be fecking sacked. I have not seen any great movement or vision from N'Gog and the goals he has scored up to now have been fairly simple tap ins, certainly nothing exciting.

you were comparing how many goals he had scored compared to Bellamy, if that isn't a direct comparison then I'm not quite sure what is?

You're still harping on about N'gog's goal against Man U.

'If he missed then he should be fecking sacked'.

I don't even know why I'm replying to this. Obviously you have never played football to make such a brainless comment like that.

If you think that finnish looked easy it was because N'gog made it look easy. Beating a sizeable frame like VDS when he's coming off his line to narrow the angle on a one on one is not easy. His finnish just shows how people like you take things for granted.

Cut him some slack or refrain from talking football as you clearly have no idea what you're on about.

So you don't think that beating a keeper one on one should be a minimum requirement for a premiership striker earning £50k+ a week becuase I fecking do! In fact what I expect for £50k a week is intelligent movement and game awareness, something which I have not seen yet from Wash.

You are right though I have never played top level football, but then again neither has Rafa.   

Well for one Ngog isnt on 50 grand a week

Also what about the other points people have put to you about Ngog and these tap ins and one on ones ?

The fact that every single striker in the world has missed one on ones - owen was missing sitter after sitter last night .

And then there is tap ins - players like rush scored over 90% of their goals from instead the 6 yard box - did you cry and complain then ?

Do players not have to show good awareness and positioning and movement to enable him to get on the end of something in 6 yard box unmarked to scored the tap in ?

You say you have an open mind yet its fully closed with regards many issues - the latest being Ngog - Did you watch the leeds game ? was that a tap in goal he scored ? Did you watch the Arsenal game when he was close to being the best player for us .