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[heimdall]

That still answered not one point possed to you . Well avoided their .

Did you even watch the leeds match or the arsenal match ?

He came on as a sub against Man Utd and scored a goal to finish the match off when they were looking very threatening to score and equaliser . What more can a young 20 lad do when he is still learning the game .

No one is aksing you to think he is the next world global superstar just to give credit when its due and to realise he is no way as bad as only are making him out to be.

I think I missed the Leeds game and do you mean the carling cup exit against Arsenal, I can't recall being too impressed by Eggnog in that one, he was ok but nothing special, he was a lot better than Babel though but then so am I.

Look at the end of the day you rate him I don't lets leave it at that, when I look at the other top 5-6 teams I cry at the kind of talent they have, yes some of them even sitting on the bench, compared to what we have to offer.

[heimdall]

just read on another forum that only did rafa call all the players in on sunday but that all the players had a one to one meeting with Christian Purslow

about what? the fact that they suck or that Rafa sucks?

[lakes10]

just read on another forum that only did rafa call all the players in on sunday but that all the players had a one to one meeting with Christian Purslow

about what? the fact that they suck or that Rafa sucks?

no idea mate, i would say it was more of a pep talk, but who knows.

it was not on a great forum, the thread under ir was about JC taking over as manager lol

[NANNY RED]

just read on another forum that only did rafa call all the players in on sunday but that all the players had a one to one meeting with Christian Purslow

about what? the fact that they suck or that Rafa sucks?

THE fact that theve got a tool called Heimdell supporting us, it in ffs Doesnt that forum with a thread JC for manager tell you something, Thats what we have to put up with, feckin hell rubbish like that, Stop havin a pop every time mate an just show your support here an now , Not hard is it

[Bammo]

I reckon they were each asked to chip in so we can pay for Torres to get his op done privately

[lakes10]

I reckon they were each asked to chip in so we can pay for Torres to get his op done privately

no it was for the money for the plane and the tea money, if they did not come up with it they were all going to take train lol

[fergieisawhiskeynosedtw@t]

just read on another forum that only did rafa call all the players in on sunday but that all the players had a one to one meeting with Christian Purslow

about what? the fact that they suck or that Rafa sucks?

THE fact that theve got a tool called Heimdell supporting us, it in ffs Doesnt that forum with a thread JC for manager tell you something, Thats what we have to put up with, feckin hell rubbish like that, Stop havin a pop every time mate an just show your support here an now , Not hard is it

good call, man what a negative muppet Heimdull is!!

nothing positive to say,     ..............   ever!

[Benny The Noon]

That still answered not one point possed to you . Well avoided their .

Did you even watch the leeds match or the arsenal match ?

He came on as a sub against Man Utd and scored a goal to finish the match off when they were looking very threatening to score and equaliser . What more can a young 20 lad do when he is still learning the game .

No one is aksing you to think he is the next world global superstar just to give credit when its due and to realise he is no way as bad as only are making him out to be.

I think I missed the Leeds game and do you mean the carling cup exit against Arsenal, I can't recall being too impressed by Eggnog in that one, he was ok but nothing special, he was a lot better than Babel though but then so am I.

Look at the end of the day you rate him I don't lets leave it at that, when I look at the other top 5-6 teams I cry at the kind of talent they have, yes some of them even sitting on the bench, compared to what we have to offer.

Go and watch the leeds match and go and watch the arsenal match again -

Still no answer about tap ins thou yet .

[Lando_Griffin]

nayway thats my story over - conclusion - it took ferguson 7 years and a lot of players to win the prem for the first time in 26 years - it took chelsea 250 mil in two seasons to win the prem .

That's not really a conclusion though mate, it's two statements. Is the conclusion that if Rafa is at the helm for seven seasons that he will win the Premiership as well? Or is it that we'll need to give Rafa 250 million quid over two seasons in order for him to win it?

If it's the first one, then all is good because he's in his sixth season now. If it's the second one, then I think in the current financial climate and with our owners, I think it's unlikely to happen.

And what if the seventh season doesn't yield the title (it's probably unfair on the manager to expect it in truth), what then? What if this turns out to be our fourth without a trophy, what then? I guess what happens then is we revert to what each of us considers to be our "minimum standard". I do wonder sometimes though what some peoples minimum is, or indeed whether or not they have one.

For me, having shown we have a good enough team last season (and indeed in the season before that IMHO) to challenge for the title, we really ought to challenge for it each season. That doesn't mean we necessarily have to finish within four points like we did last time, but at least we should be able to put up a bona fide attempt. Being out of contention by the end of October, after ten matches is neither a realistic nor a bona fide challenge. Now for me, as that represents a serious step backwards on our previous efforts, if there aren't mitigating circumstances I'd be looking for a new manager at the end of the season.

Some people have more patience and "faith" in the manager than me, and that's fair enough of course. What if we don't challenge next season though, or the one after that? Do we actually have a minimum standard, or is it written in sand and we just rub it out each season and blame wherever we end up on the owners?

What if you actually look at the situation without the prejudice? What if you analyze the accurate figures and drop the "I hate Rafa" pretense?

What if...?

The same could be said for you Lando, stop attacking people and start reading the posts waiting for it to digest before hurling abuse. I have had my own opinion changed many times on this forum by good informative posts, that is because I have an open mind, you however seem fixated on attack attack attack which is banal and childish and not worthy of your alleged vast intellect.

Heimdall, I assure you I read, understand and absorb every post I respond to.

Occasionally, if the poster merits it, I feel compelled to point out the writers' inaccuracies with realities.

Usually, the opinion is from a well established anti who thinks they somehow have the right to belittle, insult and discredit the gaffer without reproach.

Whilst I am here, they are sadly mistaken.

[Lando_Griffin]

Whoa please explain where i said he is as good as bellamy ?


There is a difference of opinion and then there is failing to see whats in front of your face - cant believe you had the gaul to suggest that finish against Man Utd was simple and then fail to back up statements like "he only scores tap ins" when the truth is the last two where far from tap ins.

Erm wasn't Wash one on one with Van der Sar, any striker who misses in that circumstance, and don't forget that VDS did get his hand to the shot, should be fecking sacked. I have not seen any great movement or vision from N'Gog and the goals he has scored up to now have been fairly simple tap ins, certainly nothing exciting.

you were comparing how many goals he had scored compared to Bellamy, if that isn't a direct comparison then I'm not quite sure what is?

You're still harping on about N'gog's goal against Man U.

'If he missed then he should be fecking sacked'.

I don't even know why I'm replying to this. Obviously you have never played football to make such a brainless comment like that.

If you think that finnish looked easy it was because N'gog made it look easy. Beating a sizeable frame like VDS when he's coming off his line to narrow the angle on a one on one is not easy. His finnish just shows how people like you take things for granted.

Cut him some slack or refrain from talking football as you clearly have no idea what you're on about.

So you don't think that beating a keeper one on one should be a minimum requirement for a premiership striker earning £50k+ a week becuase I fecking do! In fact what I expect for £50k a week is intelligent movement and game awareness, something which I have not seen yet from Wash.

You are right though I have never played top level football, but then again neither has Rafa.   

So N'gog (what's with all the derogatory nicknames?) is on £50,000 per week, is he?

Interesting...

Where is your source?

[NANNY RED]

Good lad
       
Times on line
November 4, 2009

Why the Kop is backing Rafael Benitez: a fan's eye view of Liverpool 'crisis'

Peter Furmedge, a die-hard Kopite, explains why the fans have faith in the manager despite the problems at Anfield. He talks to Ben Smith

Are the supporters still behind Rafael Benitez?

There is no reason not to be. Every manager gets judged on results, but any supporter who takes an interest in what goes on at the club will know there are a hell of a lot of mitigating circumstances. It is not moaning, it is, in Rafael Benitez's words, facts.

Over the past two years although there have been a couple of marquee signings in Fernando Torres and Javier Mascherano, they have been replacements rather than additions to the squad. When we bought Torres we had to let Craig Bellamy go. So instead of ending up with two international strikers we had one. Peter Crouch was sold to make way for Robbie Keane and Keane was sold to service the interest on the debt. That is why Benitez has been left with David Ngog up front alongside Andriy Voronin, who was a free transfer.

Chelsea and Manchester United are working under those kind of restrictions. Some signings come off, others don't. The likes of Alex Ferguson and Carlo Ancelotti have got the flexibility to take a chance on a player. If a signing doesn't come off they can replace him and sign another player. Our manager doesn't have that luxury. Everything Rafa does has to come off.

Do the fans blame Rafa for the problems this season? Has any of the criticism been fair?

The criticism is very unfair. Ronnie Whelan said the problems stem from Rafa wanting to win the European Cup. Well what's Ronnie Whelan going to say tonight? Torres went off against Fulham because he needs a hernia operation and if he plays for more than an hour he could be out for a month. Gerrard can't play. What do people want the manager to do?

You only have to look back a couple of seasons, when we lost Luis Garcia to injury in a meaningless 6-3 defeat to Arsenal in the Carling Cup. No one even remembers that was the night when Garcia's career was effectively finished by an injury.

How important is tonight's match in Lyons? Does the Champions League still hold a special place in the club's heart?

It is very important. Forget the Americans and the problems we are having. The European Cup is our territory. Even during the lean years the European Cup was the trophy that was on all the banners. It is part of our heritage that we are most proud of, the five European Cups. It matters.

On the other side of things the club have a £20 million annual interest repayment, so they can't afford to miss out on the getting through to the next stage of the competition. What will the ramifications be if we fail? The manager will go into his fourth transfer window with no net spend.

If the worst happens tonight will the supporters keep faith in Benitez?

A few thousand of us go in the Kop every game and then you have millions of others who watch on the telly, listen on the radio and see what happens on the pitch. It's not their fault. I wish I didn't know all I know about what is going on behind the scenes. I would love to go to the match and just argue about the football and the manager. But when there are so many other factors going on it takes away from that. It is very naive to look at what happens on the pitch and say 'that's all that matters'.

If Benitez goes who is going to come in? People have been talking about Jose Mourinho, but is he going take a pay cut and have no transfer budget to come here? He wasn't interested when we recruited Benitez and that was when the club was stable.

Will the club be able to compete as long as the Americans remain in charge?

The club is making record profits but not a single penny is going into the transfer fund. We are actually having to sell a player in the next transfer window to give our goalkeeper a new contract. It is not even sell to buy, it is sell to keep. You might have been able to get away with it four or five years ago, but with Manchester City, Tottenham Hotspur and Aston Villa all spending you can't do it. In the summer we were outbid by Sunderland for Lee Cattermole and Michael Turner. That's not Manchester City, that's Sunderland. That is the reality of Liverpool in 2009. We only got Glen Johnson because Portsmouth still owed us the money from Crouch.

What are your long-term fears for the club if the problems at Anfield continue?

The Leeds scenario is not a million miles away. The club is up to its eyes in debt and the entire business plan is based on getting money from the Champions League. On top of that we have just signed a record sponsorship deal, but that is only a record deal if we are challenging in the latter stages of the Champions League and at the top of the Premier League. Not if we are playing in the Europa Cup.

[tubby]

just read on another forum that only did rafa call all the players in on sunday but that all the players had a one to one meeting with Christian Purslow

about what? the fact that they suck or that Rafa sucks?

The fact that you are a gobshi.te

[muzza798]

Benitez showed tonight that he is still a top coach though his tactical decisions were dire. Babel should always be played no matter what, especially when Voronin plays his worst game for Liverpool ever. Anyone else would of picked Babel and it cost us badly. I feel so speachless and empty after tonights game....i dont even know who i am anymore.

[tubby]

How many times has babel started and looked like ? Right after that goal he hit a free kick all the way out for a throw. He is too inconsistent although I probably would still started with him if only to keep voronin on the bench.

[account deleted by request]

just read on another forum that only did rafa call all the players in on sunday but that all the players had a one to one meeting with Christian Purslow

about what? the fact that they suck or that Rafa sucks?

The fact

come on Bav you are better than that mate