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by Big Niall » Wed Oct 21, 2009 1:27 pm
While he should be sacked it would be very expensive and I'm not sure the yanks have the cash to pay him off. Hopefully new owners soon can come in, pay him off, and get somebody else (I'll send them my c.v)
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by JohnBull » Wed Oct 21, 2009 1:27 pm
It's not a matter of impatience. The man has lost the dressing room - the players do not want to play with each other -with two notable exceptions, they are just not good enough.
NOTHING IS GOING TO CHANGE.
Last season was Raffa's chance and he/they blew it.
NOTHING IS GOING TO CHANGE.
Last season was Raffa's chance and he/they blew it.
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by red_guy » Wed Oct 21, 2009 1:28 pm
Dazzer wrote:I would even buy Kevin Nolan over barry local lad loves the club and I think is very under rated tallent and can do a job.
yup, we should try to sign Kevin Nolan in January.
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by Kopite25 » Wed Oct 21, 2009 1:42 pm
Anfield's Finest wrote:Kopite25 wrote:Yes we may not have spent anything net this summer.
Spending £40 million isnt nothing.
With that £40 million he could of brought in 5 good squad players and he didnt. Rafa brought in England's best right back - yes Glen has turned out to be one of the highlights this season but did we really need him? No.
Aquilani has come in and nobody has seen him either - yes he is injured but we needed a replacement for Xabi straight away not November.
And then we sign a useless Greek centre half - his first game at Bolton summed him up. Useless.
I said net spend, yes £40m outlay but we gained more than that in player sales.!!!
Read the post as therefore we spent nothing, nada, zip, zilch & will continue to speand sweet FA whilst those cancerous c*nts own our club!!!!
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by Ola Mr Benitez » Wed Oct 21, 2009 1:43 pm
There are a few Kevin Nolan type players in the Premiership that would improve our squad, but Rafa doesnt shop in the Premiership
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by made in UK » Wed Oct 21, 2009 1:45 pm
Possibly Rafa's saving grace in all this is that our owners don't get on and couldn't afford to sack him anyway, quite ironic really.
I'll give it to him, he does tend to pull a rabbit out of the hat when his backs to the wall, hopefully he can turn it around.
I'll give it to him, he does tend to pull a rabbit out of the hat when his backs to the wall, hopefully he can turn it around.
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by Dazzer » Wed Oct 21, 2009 1:46 pm
Why Rafa could quit
Some Liverpool fans think Rafa Benitez's time is up at Anfield after a poor start to the season. Given the circumstances, maybe the Spaniard does too.
Written by Gareth Roberts on October 19th, 2009
WHETHER you love or hate Rafa Benitez, put yourself in the Spaniard’s shoes for a moment.
After a lifetime living and working in Spain, after guiding Valencia to the most successful period in their history with a first title in 31 years followed up by a La Liga and UEFA Cup double, you choose to leave your home country behind to come to England and manage Liverpool.
You make that decision despite other, more lucrative offers lying on the table back in June 2004 – from Spurs, Inter Milan and Besiktas.
But you plump for Liverpool, drawn by its standing and heritage, inheriting an underachieving, average squad which looked certain to lose two of its best players in Michael Owen and Steven Gerrard.
For five years you live and work in a foreign country, putting your heart and soul into the manager’s job at a football club where resources don’t match the expectations.
You master a new language, work up to 22-hour days, change players’ diets and training methods and even enjoy an infamous drink in Germany with Liverpool fans.
You left one job where directors refused to sign players you wanted and interfered with transfer dealings (sparking your infamous “I asked the club for a sofa and they bought me a lampshade” quote) and walked into another one with similar problems.
You were told by co-owner George Gillett you could sign “Snoogy Doogy” if that’s who you wanted – but then you were told you couldn’t sign Simao, Gareth Barry, Michael Dawson, David Villa, David Silva, Kenwyne Jones, Ryan Shawcross and countless others.
You had a club co-owner open talks with Jurgen Klinsmann about succeeding you as manager – and found out about it through the newspapers.
You signed Xabi Alonso, Fernando Torres, Pepe Reina, Javier Mascherano, Luis Garcia, Yossi Benayoun, Dirk Kuyt, Glen Johnson, Emiliano Inusa, Momo Sissoko, Alvaro Arbeloa, Daniel Agger and Peter Crouch – then people kept saying you have a terrible record in the transfer market.
In your first season, despite a poor squad, you won the Champions League in one of the most thrilling matches in football history. Key to the run to the final was your ability to squeeze out quality performances from limited players, most notably Igor Biscan.
You also reached the League Cup final in that first season, losing to Chelsea 3-2 after extra time, and finished fifth in the league.
The following season you won the FA Cup, beating Manchester United and Chelsea on the way to the final, when West Ham were edged out on penalties. In the league you guided Liverpool to third, missing out on the runners-up spot by just one point.
That FA Cup success in Cardiff made you the only manager in the history of Liverpool Football Club to win major trophies in both of the first two seasons at the club.
A year later you guided Liverpool to another Champions League final, again knocking out Chelsea on the way. This time it wasn’t to be, but you could be forgiven for thinking people may recognise that it is no mean feat to get that far – and no disgrace to lose to AC Milan.
In the league, you took us to third place again.
But 2007-8 was a poor year for you. You only reached the semi-finals of the Champions League and finished fourth in the league. Your job was offered to Klinsmann though, so maybe you could be forgiven for taking your eye off the ball.
And so to last season. Quarter-finals of the Champions League, runners-up in the league with 86 points. The only team in English top-flight history to lose so few games and not be crowned champions.
The best points total since 1988, but also the highest of any side in a 20-team league not to win the championship.
Fair to say, you were unlucky. You took us so close to the much-coveted number 19.
And let’s not forget, you’ve won 57 per cent of your games in charge of Liverpool, the same as Bob Paisley.
So with all that in mind, you deserve some respect, right? You’ve done a great job in trying circumstances. You’ve proved you are what they said you were when you arrived from Valencia – a world-class manager.
But it’s not enough. You’ve lost four games out of nine this season. You’ve sold a player, Xabi Alonso, who wanted to leave the club, for a huge profit to the biggest club in his home country.
You might think your excellent record buys you some time in the job at Anfield and some patience from the fans, just like it does for Arsene Wenger, trophyless with Arsenal since 2005.
Well not for some people. They’ve had enough. They want Jose Mourinho. A man in a job at Inter Milan, with a huge salary. A man who would cost a lot of money in compensation and in wages. Oh and we’d have to pay you off too, Rafa. But hang on, there’s no money…
What’s that Rafa? You’re resigning? You don’t feel appreciated? You’ve had enough of fickle fans on phone-ins and internet forums sniping and moaning? Had enough of media men calling you “cold”, slagging off your tactics, harping on about zonal marking and questioning the timing of your substitutions?
Hypothetical, of course. But it could happen. And it would be a huge problem for Liverpool if it did.
Mourinho, Guus Hiddink, Fabio Capello…all top managers that trigger-happy fans have been mentioning as they debate Rafa’s replacement.
But why would any of them come to Anfield? No money to spend, owners that hate each other, sky-high expectations and a demand for immediate results…
Hardly the dream job is it?
When Benitez was trying to renegotiate his contract at Valencia in 2004 he said: “My ideal scenario was continue the work I had started at Valencia.
“But the managing director said to me, ‘If I give you two more years on your contract and then you lose three matches it is going to be my problem!” If that was how much respect my three years of work had earned, then it seemed obvious to me that they had little interest in me staying.”
He later said: “It appears that I’m valued more outside the club than I am at Valencia itself.”
Deja vu?
It’s clear he likes to be loved. And for his record at Liverpool, he deserves to be. But if people turn against him so quickly, whose to say he won’t pack it in? It’s not like he would struggle to get another job.
In the first post-Benitez year at Valencia, the club finished seventh, 26 points behind La Liga champions Barcelona.
If Benitez resigns, or, as unlikely as it is given the financial situation, is sacked, Liverpool could go backwards too.
I wonder what Alan Curbishley is doing these days…
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Wanted to throw in a counter arguement just to ballance this thread don't want it to be all one way traffic.Just something to think about even tho I don't agree with it even 50% I can see how some fans want to stay loyal but I think they are very blind sighted.Personaly I think this is a scare camp to worrie any fan who is sick of way raf is running our club.I would like to say rafa is not the end of this club we will always walk on with or with out Rafa the god of football management.
Some Liverpool fans think Rafa Benitez's time is up at Anfield after a poor start to the season. Given the circumstances, maybe the Spaniard does too.
Written by Gareth Roberts on October 19th, 2009
WHETHER you love or hate Rafa Benitez, put yourself in the Spaniard’s shoes for a moment.
After a lifetime living and working in Spain, after guiding Valencia to the most successful period in their history with a first title in 31 years followed up by a La Liga and UEFA Cup double, you choose to leave your home country behind to come to England and manage Liverpool.
You make that decision despite other, more lucrative offers lying on the table back in June 2004 – from Spurs, Inter Milan and Besiktas.
But you plump for Liverpool, drawn by its standing and heritage, inheriting an underachieving, average squad which looked certain to lose two of its best players in Michael Owen and Steven Gerrard.
For five years you live and work in a foreign country, putting your heart and soul into the manager’s job at a football club where resources don’t match the expectations.
You master a new language, work up to 22-hour days, change players’ diets and training methods and even enjoy an infamous drink in Germany with Liverpool fans.
You left one job where directors refused to sign players you wanted and interfered with transfer dealings (sparking your infamous “I asked the club for a sofa and they bought me a lampshade” quote) and walked into another one with similar problems.
You were told by co-owner George Gillett you could sign “Snoogy Doogy” if that’s who you wanted – but then you were told you couldn’t sign Simao, Gareth Barry, Michael Dawson, David Villa, David Silva, Kenwyne Jones, Ryan Shawcross and countless others.
You had a club co-owner open talks with Jurgen Klinsmann about succeeding you as manager – and found out about it through the newspapers.
You signed Xabi Alonso, Fernando Torres, Pepe Reina, Javier Mascherano, Luis Garcia, Yossi Benayoun, Dirk Kuyt, Glen Johnson, Emiliano Inusa, Momo Sissoko, Alvaro Arbeloa, Daniel Agger and Peter Crouch – then people kept saying you have a terrible record in the transfer market.
In your first season, despite a poor squad, you won the Champions League in one of the most thrilling matches in football history. Key to the run to the final was your ability to squeeze out quality performances from limited players, most notably Igor Biscan.
You also reached the League Cup final in that first season, losing to Chelsea 3-2 after extra time, and finished fifth in the league.
The following season you won the FA Cup, beating Manchester United and Chelsea on the way to the final, when West Ham were edged out on penalties. In the league you guided Liverpool to third, missing out on the runners-up spot by just one point.
That FA Cup success in Cardiff made you the only manager in the history of Liverpool Football Club to win major trophies in both of the first two seasons at the club.
A year later you guided Liverpool to another Champions League final, again knocking out Chelsea on the way. This time it wasn’t to be, but you could be forgiven for thinking people may recognise that it is no mean feat to get that far – and no disgrace to lose to AC Milan.
In the league, you took us to third place again.
But 2007-8 was a poor year for you. You only reached the semi-finals of the Champions League and finished fourth in the league. Your job was offered to Klinsmann though, so maybe you could be forgiven for taking your eye off the ball.
And so to last season. Quarter-finals of the Champions League, runners-up in the league with 86 points. The only team in English top-flight history to lose so few games and not be crowned champions.
The best points total since 1988, but also the highest of any side in a 20-team league not to win the championship.
Fair to say, you were unlucky. You took us so close to the much-coveted number 19.
And let’s not forget, you’ve won 57 per cent of your games in charge of Liverpool, the same as Bob Paisley.
So with all that in mind, you deserve some respect, right? You’ve done a great job in trying circumstances. You’ve proved you are what they said you were when you arrived from Valencia – a world-class manager.
But it’s not enough. You’ve lost four games out of nine this season. You’ve sold a player, Xabi Alonso, who wanted to leave the club, for a huge profit to the biggest club in his home country.
You might think your excellent record buys you some time in the job at Anfield and some patience from the fans, just like it does for Arsene Wenger, trophyless with Arsenal since 2005.
Well not for some people. They’ve had enough. They want Jose Mourinho. A man in a job at Inter Milan, with a huge salary. A man who would cost a lot of money in compensation and in wages. Oh and we’d have to pay you off too, Rafa. But hang on, there’s no money…
What’s that Rafa? You’re resigning? You don’t feel appreciated? You’ve had enough of fickle fans on phone-ins and internet forums sniping and moaning? Had enough of media men calling you “cold”, slagging off your tactics, harping on about zonal marking and questioning the timing of your substitutions?
Hypothetical, of course. But it could happen. And it would be a huge problem for Liverpool if it did.
Mourinho, Guus Hiddink, Fabio Capello…all top managers that trigger-happy fans have been mentioning as they debate Rafa’s replacement.
But why would any of them come to Anfield? No money to spend, owners that hate each other, sky-high expectations and a demand for immediate results…
Hardly the dream job is it?
When Benitez was trying to renegotiate his contract at Valencia in 2004 he said: “My ideal scenario was continue the work I had started at Valencia.
“But the managing director said to me, ‘If I give you two more years on your contract and then you lose three matches it is going to be my problem!” If that was how much respect my three years of work had earned, then it seemed obvious to me that they had little interest in me staying.”
He later said: “It appears that I’m valued more outside the club than I am at Valencia itself.”
Deja vu?
It’s clear he likes to be loved. And for his record at Liverpool, he deserves to be. But if people turn against him so quickly, whose to say he won’t pack it in? It’s not like he would struggle to get another job.
In the first post-Benitez year at Valencia, the club finished seventh, 26 points behind La Liga champions Barcelona.
If Benitez resigns, or, as unlikely as it is given the financial situation, is sacked, Liverpool could go backwards too.
I wonder what Alan Curbishley is doing these days…
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Wanted to throw in a counter arguement just to ballance this thread don't want it to be all one way traffic.Just something to think about even tho I don't agree with it even 50% I can see how some fans want to stay loyal but I think they are very blind sighted.Personaly I think this is a scare camp to worrie any fan who is sick of way raf is running our club.I would like to say rafa is not the end of this club we will always walk on with or with out Rafa the god of football management.
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by Reg » Wed Oct 21, 2009 1:49 pm
From todays Telegraph:
Rafa Benitez's Liverpool shambles: 10 random thoughts
Echoing this spirit of mischief and revolution, The Bung will today dispense with its the predictable format and offer up 10 random thoughts on the shambles that is Liverpool's season.
1. Alberto Aquilani is like having a 'Z' in Scrabble. You wait forever for your chance to cash in, by which point everyone else is miles ahead.
2. Given the entertainment on offer, you can see why Liverpool fans now take toys to games.
3. David Ngog is not fit to wear the shirt. Or, in fact, sell the shirt in the club shop.
4. Rafa Benitez plans all subs in advance of kick-off, rather than analysing and utilising his bench options to change its course. Why else would he take off Yossi Benayoun?
5. Steven Gerrard pulls his groin so often because his team-mates aren't good enough to pass the bloody thing to his feet.
6. Andriy Voronin's one meaningful role is to make Lucas' hairstyle look less awful.
7. That gives Voronin one meaningful role more than Ryan Babel.
8. Replacing Alvaro Arbeloa with Glen Johnson has ruined Liverpool's defence.
9. Neither Tom Hicks nor George Gillett is powerful enough to sack Benitez.
10. Liverpool will definitely beat Manchester United on Sunday.
Rafa Benitez's Liverpool shambles: 10 random thoughts
Echoing this spirit of mischief and revolution, The Bung will today dispense with its the predictable format and offer up 10 random thoughts on the shambles that is Liverpool's season.
1. Alberto Aquilani is like having a 'Z' in Scrabble. You wait forever for your chance to cash in, by which point everyone else is miles ahead.
2. Given the entertainment on offer, you can see why Liverpool fans now take toys to games.
3. David Ngog is not fit to wear the shirt. Or, in fact, sell the shirt in the club shop.
4. Rafa Benitez plans all subs in advance of kick-off, rather than analysing and utilising his bench options to change its course. Why else would he take off Yossi Benayoun?
5. Steven Gerrard pulls his groin so often because his team-mates aren't good enough to pass the bloody thing to his feet.
6. Andriy Voronin's one meaningful role is to make Lucas' hairstyle look less awful.
7. That gives Voronin one meaningful role more than Ryan Babel.
8. Replacing Alvaro Arbeloa with Glen Johnson has ruined Liverpool's defence.
9. Neither Tom Hicks nor George Gillett is powerful enough to sack Benitez.
10. Liverpool will definitely beat Manchester United on Sunday.
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by Anfield's Finest » Wed Oct 21, 2009 1:52 pm
Kopite25 wrote:Anfield's Finest wrote:Kopite25 wrote:Yes we may not have spent anything net this summer.
Spending £40 million isnt nothing.
With that £40 million he could of brought in 5 good squad players and he didnt. Rafa brought in England's best right back - yes Glen has turned out to be one of the highlights this season but did we really need him? No.
Aquilani has come in and nobody has seen him either - yes he is injured but we needed a replacement for Xabi straight away not November.
And then we sign a useless Greek centre half - his first game at Bolton summed him up. Useless.
I said net spend, yes £40m outlay but we gained more than that in player sales.!!!
Read the post as therefore we spent nothing, nada, zip, zilch & will continue to speand sweet FA whilst those cancerous c*nts own our club!!!!
Yeah alright we didnt get money off the owners - fair enough.
Yet if we gave that £40 million to a manager like Harry Redknapp then I can garuntee you we would of got more for our money than Johnson, Aquilani and the Greek.
Rafa has wasted alot of money while he has been at Anfield and he has also come up trumps with some of his signings in Reina, Xabi Alonso, Mascherano, Torres, Arbeloa and Johnson (not needed as we had Arbeloa) but thats not enough quality of the five years Rafa has been here.
The squad isnt good enough at the minute and thats down to the Rafa and his spending - I'm sorry to say and until Rafa decides that he needs to get a good squad together with players such as Cattermole, Crouch etc then we will always lack behind United, Chelsea and Man City.
I bet Rafa is regretting so much selling Keane, Bellamy, Crouch, Pennant, Sissoko and Arbeloa all good players who can perform at the highest level.
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by Dazzer » Wed Oct 21, 2009 1:52 pm
Trewyn wrote:Er Dazzer? I thought you were FOR the sacking? Why post a pro-Rafa article?
read bottom its clearly just to scare any one who wants rafa out from voicing thier complaints.Smoke and mirrors its how the rafa happy clappers work bending the facts to defend the undefendable.
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by heimdall » Wed Oct 21, 2009 1:58 pm
Reg wrote:We are teetering on the brink mate I agree and it looks like Dazzer is lined up for the job.
Evans, Houllier, Rafa... all victims of the fans impatience to wait for the title.....
No No No, they were all victims of not being good enough managers, why don't you see that?
Do you think Houllier or Evans would ever have won us the premiership, were you sad to see them go?
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by heimdall » Wed Oct 21, 2009 2:07 pm
Dazzer wrote:Trewyn wrote:Er Dazzer? I thought you were FOR the sacking? Why post a pro-Rafa article?
read bottom its clearly just to scare any one who wants rafa out from voicing thier complaints.Smoke and mirrors its how the rafa happy clappers work bending the facts to defend the undefendable.
It made me laugh that article, SO one sided, so clearly written by one of Rafa's many media cronies, another thing I don't like about him.
Weird how Crouch was listed as a good signing??? Didn't he practically beg for a transfer becuase he was so miserable always being on the bloody bench? And Lil Luis didn't need asking twice when he had a chance to leave did he, shows how much the players love Rafa doesn't it.
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by made in UK » Wed Oct 21, 2009 2:09 pm
Reg wrote:From todays Telegraph:
Rafa Benitez's Liverpool shambles: 10 random thoughts
Echoing this spirit of mischief and revolution, The Bung will today dispense with its the predictable format and offer up 10 random thoughts on the shambles that is Liverpool's season.
1. Alberto Aquilani is like having a 'Z' in Scrabble. You wait forever for your chance to cash in, by which point everyone else is miles ahead.
2. Given the entertainment on offer, you can see why Liverpool fans now take toys to games.
3. David Ngog is not fit to wear the shirt. Or, in fact, sell the shirt in the club shop.
4. Rafa Benitez plans all subs in advance of kick-off, rather than analysing and utilising his bench options to change its course. Why else would he take off Yossi Benayoun?
5. Steven Gerrard pulls his groin so often because his team-mates aren't good enough to pass the bloody thing to his feet.
6. Andriy Voronin's one meaningful role is to make Lucas' hairstyle look less awful.
7. That gives Voronin one meaningful role more than Ryan Babel.
8. Replacing Alvaro Arbeloa with Glen Johnson has ruined Liverpool's defence.
9. Neither Tom Hicks nor George Gillett is powerful enough to sack Benitez.
10. Liverpool will definitely beat Manchester United on Sunday.
lol.
Thats quite funny
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