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by **JoeTerp** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 10:15 pm

El Zhar was bought when he was 20. Now he is 22.5, just like me

by **JoeTerp** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 10:17 pm

s@int wrote:Gerard Pique £6,000,000
Giuseppe Rossi £6,700,000

their players have a habit of being successful in La Liga after leaving Manchester.

by **account deleted by request** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 10:24 pm

Liverpool's 62 :-

Diego Cavalieri (1),
Andrea Dossena (2),
Sami Hyypia (4),
Daniel Agger (5),
Steven Gerrard (8), Fernando Torres (9),
Andriy Voronin (10),
Albert Riera (11),
Fabio Aurerlio (12),
Xabi Alonso (14),
Yossi Benyoun (15), Jermaine Pennant (16 - on loan at Portsmouth),
Alvaro Arbeloa (17),
Dirk Kuyt (18),
Ryan Babel (19),
Javier Mascherano (20), Lucas Leiva (21),
Emiliano Insua (22),
Jamie Carragher (23), David Ngog (24),
Pepe Reina (25),
Jay Spearing (26),
Philipp Degen (27), Damien Plessis (28),

Krisztian Nemeth (29), Charles Itandje (30),
Nabil El Zhar (31),
Stephen Darby (32),
Martin Kelly (34),
Ryan Flynn (35 - on loan at Wrexham),
Steven Irwin (36),
Martin Skrtel (37),
Craig Lindfield (38 - on loan at Accrington Stanley), Nathan Eccleston (39), Martin Hansen (41),
Peter Gulacsi (42 - on loan at Hereford United), Godwin Antwi,
Daniel Sanchez Ayala,
Vincent Lucas Weijl,
Vitor Coutinho Flora,
Victor Palsson,
Zsolt Poloskei (on loan from MTK Hungaria),
Dean Bouzanis, Emmanuel Mendy,
Nikola Saric,

Daniel Pacheco,
Paul Anderson (on loan at Nottingham Forest), Gerardo Alfredo Bruna Blanco,
Mikel San Jose Dominguez,
Jordy Brouwer,
Ryan Crowther,
Sebastian Leto (on loan at Olympiakos),
Gary Mackay-Steven, Andras Simon,
Ray Putterill,
Francisco Duran,
Robbie Threlfall,
Miki Roque (on loan at Cartagena),
Jack Hobbs (on loan at Leicester City),
Ronald Huth,
David Martin (on loan at Leicester City),
Adam Hammill (on loan at Barnsley).

Numbers at all prem clubs :-

. Liverpool (62)
2. Arsenal (61)
3. Man Utd (53)
=4. Chelsea (48)
=4. Sunderland (48)
=6. Aston Villa (44)
=6. Blackburn (44)
=6. Spurs (44)
9. Newcastle (42)
10. West Ham
=11. Fulham (38)
=11. Portsmouth (38)
=11. Hull City (38)
14. Stoke City (34)
=15. West Brom (33)
=15. Everton (33)
=15. Man City (33)
18. Middlesbrough (32)
19. Wigan (29)
20. Bolton (27)

by **Sabre** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 10:25 pm

JoeTerp wrote:
s@int wrote:Gerard Pique £6,000,000
Giuseppe Rossi £6,700,000

their players have a habit of being successful in La Liga after leaving Manchester.

You cannot really stablish a pattern, some players simply adapt better to a kind of football.

Makelele hadn't in Spain a third of the impact he's have in England. He would never make it with his style to be one of the most valued players. IMHO he was blatantly underrated in Spain, and a bit overrated here. But that's just my opinion.

You never know what's going to happen with a player when he comes to Spain or viceversa. In some cases like Gerrard it's safer to bet as they have enormous quality but you never know. I never thought for instance that little Luis would play that well here.

by **RedBlood** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 11:47 pm

if i remember correctly pique and rossi cost utd about 6millon between them so there isnt much of a profit there, this is just what i remember my manc friends saying anyway

as for the squad thing 62 seems alot but when you consider it makes up most of the first team squad, reserves and youth team it becomes a little less silly, not to mention about dozen of them must be on loan

my opionin is if your going to compete in 4 competions like the big teams are expected to you need 25 players of quality 2 for each position and a couple of utility players to compensate for injurys etc
and a simliar number of young players for the reserves to continue the circle of life :laugh:

by **account deleted by request** » Wed Apr 01, 2009 12:22 am

Liverpool FC Youth Squad - 2008 - 09

Thomas Ince Alex Cooper Christopher Buchtmann Deale Chamberlain Lauri Dalla Valle Hakan Duyan James Ellison Jack Metcalf Adam Pepper Michael Roberts David Amoo Joe Kennedy Sean Highdale Chris Oldfield Alex Kacaniklic Michael Scott Astrit Ajdarevic Shane O'Connor

if i remember correctly pique and rossi cost utd about 6millon between them so there isnt much of a profit there, this is just what i remember my manc friends saying anyway

As far as I am aware Pique went as a 16 year old and cost nothing, while Rossi went for a nominal fee at 17 mate. (I think it was £200k)

by **yolz** » Wed Apr 01, 2009 1:40 am

Well, just heard on the grapevine that we're supposedly interested in E'to
It's a sad hard fact
No matter how much you want to concentrate on home grown talent and youth,
when a player with E'to's class becomes available, you have to pitch in to snap him up
It's the way the game is being played now
It's hard to argue that the premiership is the best league in the world right now,
and that means big spending to stay ahead...

by **RobinHood6969** » Wed Apr 01, 2009 7:35 am

s@int wrote:Chris Eagles £1,250,000
Gerard Pique £6,000,000
Phil Bardsley £2,000,000
Ryan Shawcross £1,000,000
Giuseppe Rossi £6,700,000
Kieran Richardson £5,500,000

Thats in the last two years anyway.

Well saint Pique and Rossi aint Manure porducts TBH.. They were poached

by **RobinHood6969** » Wed Apr 01, 2009 7:37 am

JoeTerp wrote:El Zhar was bought when he was 20. Now he is 22.5, just like me

by **RobinHood6969** » Wed Apr 01, 2009 7:42 am

GYBS wrote:which youth players lately or during the last couple of years have they rbought through ? and dont include players they have boought at17/18 for millions cause that is what most of the mancs and arsenals ressies are full off. Insua has broken through , both spearing and darby have been involved plus el zhar . insua and el zhar were both purchased around 17 years but for small amounts where as darby or spearing both came from the under 18s . which top team has all these young kids coming through while still maintaining a challenge for trophies ?

They have brought through da silvas and all

Well i dont think maures have brought through many in the last 5 years. they bought expensive kids TBH. and arsenal are they competing anywhere? i see them fighting for UCL qualification. am i right?

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Wed Apr 01, 2009 7:50 am

RobinHood6969 wrote:
s@int wrote:Chris Eagles £1,250,000
Gerard Pique £6,000,000
Phil Bardsley £2,000,000
Ryan Shawcross £1,000,000
Giuseppe Rossi £6,700,000
Kieran Richardson £5,500,000

Thats in the last two years anyway.

Well saint Pique and Rossi aint Manure porducts TBH.. They were poached

child traffickers :angry:

by **GYBS** » Wed Apr 01, 2009 8:53 am

RobinHood6969 wrote:
GYBS wrote:which youth players lately or during the last couple of years have they rbought through ? and dont include players they have boought at17/18 for millions cause that is what most of the mancs and arsenals ressies are full off. Insua has broken through , both spearing and darby have been involved plus el zhar . insua and el zhar were both purchased around 17 years but for small amounts where as darby or spearing both came from the under 18s . which top team has all these young kids coming through while still maintaining a challenge for trophies ?

They have brought through da silvas and all Well i dont think maures have brought through many in the last 5 years. they bought expensive kids TBH. and arsenal are they competing anywhere? i see them fighting for UCL qualification. am i right?

exactly and their kids they have got have all been bought from over clubs some for a lot of money bar wilkshire who has come through the ranks

by **paddy** » Wed Apr 01, 2009 9:02 am

awful lot of tosh being talked here
manures yoof system andplayers breaking thro to the first team dont compare with ours - ours is actually in amess if any of you are aware that there is a huge divide in the academy

time for one or two to do some homework i reckon

by **Ace Ventura** » Wed Apr 01, 2009 9:07 am

GYBS wrote:Thats some pretty strong accusations there against our manager saying they dont get a chance because they come through the youth ranks ?? any backing to those accusations ?

Right lets be sensible.

How can i possibly have proof, its just my opinion.

Its based on the fact that despite winning the youth cup two seasons running and then the reserve league the following season only a couple of players have even had a sniff.

What Rafa has done instead is gone out an brought in some more squad players that hinder these young lads chances of ever getting a look in.
Degen is one of them, yes Finnan was going so we may have been short of cover but Stevie Darby was reserve team captain that won the league and then sees Rafa bring in Degen who was injury prone before he arrived and described by Dortmunds fans as nowhere near good enough for LFC.

You keep saying Nemeth was going to be promoted to the first team squad and would have been playing but for injuries.
How do you know ?
We had at the start of the season....

Torres
Keane
Kuyt
Babel

and then Rafa signed Ngog, another unproven player.
Thats five players and given that we often play just one striker with Gerrardit seems unlikely that Nemeth would have got a look in, its just your assumption.

Again like Darby that would be a massive kick in the teeth for someone who played so well and who is already playing full international football.

El Zahr who keeps getting mentioned is around the same age as Rooney so hardly a kid and he plays here and there.

Cant see the comparison and anyone who thinks kids get a fair crack of whip at LFC is blinded imho.

by **RobinHood6969** » Wed Apr 01, 2009 9:10 am

GYBS wrote:
RobinHood6969 wrote:
GYBS wrote:which youth players lately or during the last couple of years have they rbought through ? and dont include players they have boought at17/18 for millions cause that is what most of the mancs and arsenals ressies are full off. Insua has broken through , both spearing and darby have been involved plus el zhar . insua and el zhar were both purchased around 17 years but for small amounts where as darby or spearing both came from the under 18s . which top team has all these young kids coming through while still maintaining a challenge for trophies ?

They have brought through da silvas and all Well i dont think maures have brought through many in the last 5 years. they bought expensive kids TBH. and arsenal are they competing anywhere? i see them fighting for UCL qualification. am i right?

exactly and their kids they have got have all been bought from over clubs some for a lot of money bar wilkshire who has come through the ranks

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