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[Ace Ventura]

and which one of these guys that we have sold on have gone onto prove us wrong ? How many major trophies did the last bunch of young talented kids we had win ? How many young liverpool lads did we have in those great teams of the 70s and 80s ? Why do we have to play young lads ? Were is the proof and backing that they need to play ?

Again you miss my point.

I am not saying they are world beaters but they are easily able squad players.
Recently Warnock and Guthrie could easily have stayed and done a good enough job.
Rather than spend millions on gambles not to mention their wages.
Its happened for a while though, i remember David Thompson not getting the chances he deserved when he was about and constantly not being selected for Oyvind Leonhardsen.
He went on and did well before his career was wrecked by injuries.

All i am saying is these young kids (or some of them) have the capability of being adequate squad players and Rafa neednt ship them out to replace them with other squad players.

It would be better if he focused more attention on shaping the areas that were actually in need like wide right and attack, the same ones that have been since he arrived.

[GYBS]

Fowler macca owen carra and gerrard all showed something within minutes of playing that they were special - s cut above the rest - massive potential to be world class and they proved it - do players like darby and spearing show this ? no - those players showed their ability at england schoolboys and england under 18 then under 21 - have the others we got now done that ? no

Warnock - left 3-4 years ago - was playing the odd game deputising for riise but Rafa decided he wanted to get Aurelio so Warnock would of been third choice and decided to leave - you cant say he would of done a better job than say dossena as he hasnt been at the club for nearly 4 seasons now and that would of meant warnock sitting behind riise and fabio for 3 seasons ?!?! chances of that happening ? NIL

Guthrie- Went on a season long loan to bolton and was ok - nothing special nothing out of the ordinary so was then sold to newcastle and since then the only thing he has done of note was break that guys leg - he cant even get into their first team while they are in the bottom three - he played against us and came up against lucas who im pretty sure most think isnt good enough and guthrie spent the whole game in lucas s pocket .

Is there anyone else of note that has left and is better than what we have in our squad ? i cant think of one .

Spearing and Darby are both being given contracts for a reason - ie rafa feels they can become a part of the first team - everytime i have seen them play for the first team darby has looked ok ish nothing more where as spearing looks like he may have something about him and they are both still young .

Which of these adequate squad players that rafa has bought are the kids better than or could do a better job ? Maybe degen but who knows as he has hardly played .

[JoeTerp]

Gerard Pique £6,000,000
Giuseppe Rossi £6,700,000

their players have a habit of being successful in La Liga after leaving Manchester.

You cannot really stablish a pattern, some players simply adapt better to a kind of football.

Ruud, Forlan, Heinze 

[Ace Ventura]

Fowler macca owen carra and gerrard all showed something within minutes of playing that they were special - s cut above the rest - massive potential to be world class and they proved it - do players like darby and spearing show this ? no - those players showed their ability at england schoolboys and england under 18 then under 21 - have the others we got now done that ? no

Warnock - left 3-4 years ago - was playing the odd game deputising for riise but Rafa decided he wanted to get Aurelio so Warnock would of been third choice and decided to leave - you cant say he would of done a better job than say dossena as he hasnt been at the club for nearly 4 seasons now and that would of meant warnock sitting behind riise and fabio for 3 seasons ?!?! chances of that happening ? NIL

Guthrie- Went on a season long loan to bolton and was ok - nothing special nothing out of the ordinary so was then sold to newcastle and since then the only thing he has done of note was break that guys leg - he cant even get into their first team while they are in the bottom three - he played against us and came up against lucas who im pretty sure most think isnt good enough and guthrie spent the whole game in lucas s pocket .

Is there anyone else of note that has left and is better than what we have in our squad ? i cant think of one .

Spearing and Darby are both being given contracts for a reason - ie rafa feels they can become a part of the first team - everytime i have seen them play for the first team darby has looked ok ish nothing more where as spearing looks like he may have something about him and they are both still young .

Which of these adequate squad players that rafa has bought are the kids better than or could do a better job ? Maybe degen but who knows as he has hardly played .

I will go as far as saying that was the only really good Lucas performance i have witnessed.
And if Guthrie and Lucas would have swapped sides before the game started you can bet your bottom dollar that Guthrie would have looked far better with Lucas far worse.

You keep missing my point GYBS as well.

I am not necessarily saying that Warnock and Guthrie are better than who has been brought in, thats clearly open to debate.
What i am saying is that they are no worse and imo we offload them too easily and bring in more and more players that take time to settle and cost transfer fees, signing on fees etc.

[GYBS]

we offloaded warnock for a fee and brought in aurelio on a free ?! is warnock better than aurelio ? i would suggest that aurelio is a step up from warnock and has proved it . guthrie showed nothing to say he would be any good for us where as lucas was a brazilian player of the year - capped a number of times by brazil and no matter what people say has come in during big games when either masher or xabi havent been available and has done a decent job . guthrie has never shown he would do anything better than lucas and imo and im guessing are managers opinion has more potential than guthrie , there has been nothing to suggest guthrie would of done better than lucas - nothing . guthrie went because he wouldnt of got in the team ahead of gerrard,masher,xabi.lucas and even plessis at the time - so 6th choice ? would even suggest spearing would of got in ahead of him . warnock left cause he wanted first team footy and he was behind both riise and aurelio and rightly so . So did we get rid of them too easily or did we get rid of them for a fee because they wouldnt of played many if any games for us - i would say the second one . So yes warnock was worse than the options we had at the time of him leaving and same with guthrie when he left .

[heimdall]

we offloaded warnock for a fee and brought in aurelio on a free ?! is warnock better than aurelio ? i would suggest that aurelio is a step up from warnock and has proved it . guthrie showed nothing to say he would be any good for us where as lucas was a brazilian player of the year - capped a number of times by brazil and no matter what people say has come in during big games when either masher or xabi havent been available and has done a decent job . guthrie has never shown he would do anything better than lucas and imo and im guessing are managers opinion has more potential than guthrie , there has been nothing to suggest guthrie would of done better than lucas - nothing . guthrie went because he wouldnt of got in the team ahead of gerrard,masher,xabi.lucas and even plessis at the time - so 6th choice ? would even suggest spearing would of got in ahead of him . warnock left cause he wanted first team footy and he was behind both riise and aurelio and rightly so . So did we get rid of them too easily or did we get rid of them for a fee because they wouldnt of played many if any games for us - i would say the second one . So yes warnock was worse than the options we had at the time of him leaving and same with guthrie when he left .

You are the only one who thinks Lucas is decent everyone else thinks he is complete garbage and for Rafa to keep picking him before the youngsters is a disgrace! Maybe Rafa doesn't like young English players, who knows, one thing is certain though he doesn't promote the yongsters enough and that is costing the club a lot of money. We all talk of giving signings the time to settle in, but why can't the same apply for youngsters.

[GYBS]

What a pile of rubbish - lucas is a youngster himself . And if rafa doesnt like enlgish young players why the hell is he offering two of them new contracts . yes players need time to settle but there is a big difference between international players coming into the team and needing to settle and 19 year old kids who have no experience at a high level .

[Ace Ventura]

What a pile of rubbish - lucas is a youngster himself . And if rafa doesnt like enlgish young players why the hell is he offering two of them new contracts . yes players need time to settle but there is a big difference between international players coming into the team and needing to settle and 19 year old kids who have no experience at a high level .

We have differing opinions on Rafa by quite a lot me and you.

I believe like heimdall that Lucas has had two seasons to establish himself and been given chance after chance at the expense of other lads.
And he has certainly not taken it.

At the time he was signed we were already really strong in that area and have been for a number of years.
It was a pointless signing and he hasnt been proved right at all.

Infact i will go as far as saying if we didnt have Lucas over the last 18 months we would have fared better had we had to play the other central midfield players.
We have seemed to drop points more than gained them when he has played.

Even so, its not just Lucas, its a whole host of players.

Obsession with building a massive squad and so many options for each position mean that younger players will almost never get a chance, regardless of getting new contracts.
Those contracts are more likely to enable us to get a better fee for these players when we sell them to raise money for yet more squad players, options and possibilities.

Just my opinion, and i know yours differs, so be it.

[GYBS]

So who are these other midfield players that should of played instead of lucas then ?

Who are these other whole host of players ?

[Rorschach26]

Am i missin something here wheres the problem? there not good enough so they dont make it end of

Its like just because when they were young they HAPPENED 2 BE  better then most OF thier mates at school they somehow deserve the luxury of playing football at the highest level 4 tens of thousands of pounds till thier 35? give me a break imagine that on comic relief

Poor little timmy only ever got the chance 2 play for Liverpool youth level & reserves from the age 10- 20 whilst gettin an education then he had 2 play at lower level infront of only afew thousand fans whilst still gettin paid a week more then 95% of us do in a month...PLAY FOOTBALL I MIGHT ADD

boo fu.ckin hoo

it happenes its life people train 2 be surgeons, pilots, plumbers  & thousands dont make it coz they aint good enough end of

[Rorschach26]

& they keep bitchin about foreign players comin in & takin thier place & if thier was a rule sayin u had 2 have a certain number of english lads in the team wed get more of a chance wah wah wah

Football above everything else is 4 our entertainment but were meant 2 watch a shitter standard of football so they can get thier wish

when does it end i wanna play 4 Liverpool so should we make it so every supporter is allowed 2 play atleaat 10 full matches 4 thier beloved team in thier lifetime coz its only fair i mean i love football just as much as these whinning nearly men

[Ace Ventura]

Am i missin something here wheres the problem? there not good enough so they dont make it end of

Its like just because when they were young they HAPPENED 2 BE  better then most OF thier mates at school they somehow deserve the luxury of playing football at the highest level 4 tens of thousands of pounds till thier 35? give me a break imagine that on comic relief

Poor little timmy only ever got the chance 2 play for Liverpool youth level & reserves from the age 10- 20 whilst gettin an education then he had 2 play at lower level infront of only afew thousand fans whilst still gettin paid a week more then 95% of us do in a month...PLAY FOOTBALL I MIGHT ADD

boo fu.ckin hoo

it happenes its life people train 2 be surgeons, pilots, plumbers  & thousands dont make it coz they aint good enough end of

Yes you clearly are missing something 

Try and read through what has actually been posted before making a rash reply mate.

[Ace Ventura]

So who are these other midfield players that should of played instead of lucas then ?

Who are these other whole host of players ?

Alonso, Mascherano Gerrard.

And thats not taking into considering Spearing who i think IF HE GOT A CHANCE wouldnt let anyone down.

Rafas obsession with squad and rotation nearly cost us the league and still possibly has.
Lucas against Fulham instead on ALonso was a defining moment that we could look back at the end of the season at really regretting.

Cue the - the others cant play every game response...........


In response to that obvious reply, they would have done better than Lucas who has cleary been getting carried all season long.

[GYBS]

So who are these other midfield players that should of played instead of lucas then ?

Who are these other whole host of players ?

Alonso, Mascherano Gerrard.

And thats not taking into considering Spearing who i think IF HE GOT A CHANCE wouldnt let anyone down.

Rafas obsession with squad and rotation nearly cost us the league and still possibly has.
Lucas against Fulham instead on ALonso was a defining moment that we could look back at the end of the season at really regretting.

Cue the - the others cant play every game response...........


In response to that obvious reply, they would have done better than Lucas who has cleary been getting carried all season long.

Wait a minute you were talking about players that have been brought in that have stopped these youngsters not getting a chnace and i said who are these players that should of played and you mention gerrard masher and xabi - well thats fecking obvious but yes they cant play every game and gerrard has been injured so has xabi and masher has been off form so lucas is forth choice we all know that but there is no proof or backing that spearing would of done any better - he could of easily just done worse than lucas. It seems to me your blaming rafa picking lucas for us not winning or doing better in the prem ?! well lucas didnt play in the draws to stoke and hull etc and lucas has played his part in us winning games and lately has stepped in for xabi against madrid with no problems .

So who are the other host of players that have been brought in and stopped this supposed good youngsters from playing ? and what is to say they would of done any better ?

[Rorschach26]

Lucas is better then Spearing

& i fail 2 see what im missing they r moaning about not gettin a chance so what thats life they aint good enough simple