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by **maguskwt** » Mon Aug 11, 2008 3:21 pm

I'm really hating this drama ... now everytime there is some little problem it'll be "fresh problems brewing between the american owners and rafa" or " Hicks and Rafa Vs Parry and Gillett" or "DIC renewing their interests in Anfield"... we're like the tv series "Dynasty" FFS...

by **Reg** » Mon Aug 11, 2008 4:03 pm

Thanks Igor but I still reckon its just mid-summer tittle-tattle, there isnt even a direct quote from DIC just 'a source close to DIC' - anyone who wants to provide the opportunity for a story. They can roll this one out whenever they need to fill a few inches on the back page.

by **Reg** » Mon Aug 11, 2008 4:05 pm

maguskwt wrote:I'm really hating this drama ... now everytime there is some little problem it'll be "fresh problems brewing between the american owners and rafa" or " Hicks and Rafa Vs Parry and Gillett" or "DIC renewing their interests in Anfield"... we're like the tv series "Dynasty" FFS...

Yeah I agree BUT see how quick the press have lost interest in the story the Bitters were for sale !!

It lasted no more than one copy if the papers!

by **The Manhattan Project** » Mon Aug 11, 2008 4:30 pm

DIC sliding deep into a nice position again.

They know that the Americans don't have a lot in them for a long drawn out rough process.

They will increase the pressure again and again until eventually Hicks and Gillett bend and come clean, admit the truth, give it up and surrender completely to DIC's superior size and power.

by **Igor Zidane** » Mon Aug 11, 2008 5:03 pm

The Manhattan Project wrote:DIC sliding deep into a nice position again.

They know that the Americans don't have a lot in them for a long drawn out rough process.

They will increase the pressure again and again until eventually Hicks and Gillett bend and come clean, admit the truth, give it up and surrender completely to DIC's superior size and power.

I feckin hope so mate.

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Mon Aug 11, 2008 5:19 pm

Igor Zidane wrote:
maypaxvobiscum wrote:
maguskwt wrote:
maypaxvobiscum wrote:to be fair, if the owners are preventing rafa from signing barry, they are quite right. why do we need him when we have alonso, gerrard, plessis, lucas, mash and other youngsters who can play there? its a waste of money which should be spent on a real winger on the left or right. also, pacheco has so much potential i feel he should at least be on the bench. thing with liverpool these days is that they dont seem to give potential stars a chance. fowler, macca, owen, carra, etc you get my point? i guess the owners are asking themselves if barry is needed. and what sort of improvement is he on what we already have? look at madrid (of all teams) spending under 10mil for a younger player in van der vaart and we miss out on him? for this instance, im not backing rafa. this offer and want for barry is making no sense.

it's not about whether or not barry is a suitable target for us it's about whether or not the owners should be interfering in a manager's job in the first place...

but wouldnt it be a plus if that inteference saved us?

Saved us from what ?

saved us from spending over the odds for a player whom we dont need. the money can and should be used elsewhere. stewert downing, joe cole, aaron lennon, etc.

by **Igor Zidane** » Mon Aug 11, 2008 5:23 pm

maypaxvobiscum wrote:
Igor Zidane wrote:
maypaxvobiscum wrote:
maguskwt wrote:
maypaxvobiscum wrote:to be fair, if the owners are preventing rafa from signing barry, they are quite right. why do we need him when we have alonso, gerrard, plessis, lucas, mash and other youngsters who can play there? its a waste of money which should be spent on a real winger on the left or right. also, pacheco has so much potential i feel he should at least be on the bench. thing with liverpool these days is that they dont seem to give potential stars a chance. fowler, macca, owen, carra, etc you get my point? i guess the owners are asking themselves if barry is needed. and what sort of improvement is he on what we already have? look at madrid (of all teams) spending under 10mil for a younger player in van der vaart and we miss out on him? for this instance, im not backing rafa. this offer and want for barry is making no sense.

it's not about whether or not barry is a suitable target for us it's about whether or not the owners should be interfering in a manager's job in the first place...

but wouldnt it be a plus if that inteference saved us?

Saved us from what ?

saved us from spending over the odds for a player whom we dont need. the money can and should be used elsewhere. stewert downing, joe cole, aaron lennon, etc.

According to who?

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Mon Aug 11, 2008 5:24 pm

Igor Zidane wrote:
maypaxvobiscum wrote:
Igor Zidane wrote:
maypaxvobiscum wrote:
maguskwt wrote:
maypaxvobiscum wrote:to be fair, if the owners are preventing rafa from signing barry, they are quite right. why do we need him when we have alonso, gerrard, plessis, lucas, mash and other youngsters who can play there? its a waste of money which should be spent on a real winger on the left or right. also, pacheco has so much potential i feel he should at least be on the bench. thing with liverpool these days is that they dont seem to give potential stars a chance. fowler, macca, owen, carra, etc you get my point? i guess the owners are asking themselves if barry is needed. and what sort of improvement is he on what we already have? look at madrid (of all teams) spending under 10mil for a younger player in van der vaart and we miss out on him? for this instance, im not backing rafa. this offer and want for barry is making no sense.

it's not about whether or not barry is a suitable target for us it's about whether or not the owners should be interfering in a manager's job in the first place...

but wouldnt it be a plus if that inteference saved us?

Saved us from what ?

saved us from spending over the odds for a player whom we dont need. the money can and should be used elsewhere. stewert downing, joe cole, aaron lennon, etc.

According to who?

me. duh.

by **Igor Zidane** » Mon Aug 11, 2008 5:31 pm

maypaxvobiscum wrote:
Igor Zidane wrote:
maypaxvobiscum wrote:
Igor Zidane wrote:
maypaxvobiscum wrote:
maguskwt wrote:
maypaxvobiscum wrote:to be fair, if the owners are preventing rafa from signing barry, they are quite right. why do we need him when we have alonso, gerrard, plessis, lucas, mash and other youngsters who can play there? its a waste of money which should be spent on a real winger on the left or right. also, pacheco has so much potential i feel he should at least be on the bench. thing with liverpool these days is that they dont seem to give potential stars a chance. fowler, macca, owen, carra, etc you get my point? i guess the owners are asking themselves if barry is needed. and what sort of improvement is he on what we already have? look at madrid (of all teams) spending under 10mil for a younger player in van der vaart and we miss out on him? for this instance, im not backing rafa. this offer and want for barry is making no sense.

it's not about whether or not barry is a suitable target for us it's about whether or not the owners should be interfering in a manager's job in the first place...

but wouldnt it be a plus if that inteference saved us?

Saved us from what ?

saved us from spending over the odds for a player whom we dont need. the money can and should be used elsewhere. stewert downing, joe cole, aaron lennon, etc.

According to who?

me. duh.

Oh that's alright then , thank feck your not the boss then . Aaron Lennon ffs.

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Mon Aug 11, 2008 5:36 pm

Igor Zidane wrote:
maypaxvobiscum wrote:
Igor Zidane wrote:
maypaxvobiscum wrote:
Igor Zidane wrote:
maypaxvobiscum wrote:
maguskwt wrote:
maypaxvobiscum wrote:to be fair, if the owners are preventing rafa from signing barry, they are quite right. why do we need him when we have alonso, gerrard, plessis, lucas, mash and other youngsters who can play there? its a waste of money which should be spent on a real winger on the left or right. also, pacheco has so much potential i feel he should at least be on the bench. thing with liverpool these days is that they dont seem to give potential stars a chance. fowler, macca, owen, carra, etc you get my point? i guess the owners are asking themselves if barry is needed. and what sort of improvement is he on what we already have? look at madrid (of all teams) spending under 10mil for a younger player in van der vaart and we miss out on him? for this instance, im not backing rafa. this offer and want for barry is making no sense.

it's not about whether or not barry is a suitable target for us it's about whether or not the owners should be interfering in a manager's job in the first place...

but wouldnt it be a plus if that inteference saved us?

Saved us from what ?

saved us from spending over the odds for a player whom we dont need. the money can and should be used elsewhere. stewert downing, joe cole, aaron lennon, etc.

According to who?

me. duh.

Oh that's alright then , thank feck your not the boss then . Aaron Lennon ffs.

i was naming examples. and whats wrong with lennon? its not like we have decent wingers in the first place. and even if we do, for some reason rafa doesnt play them much (benayoun).

by **Rush Job** » Mon Aug 11, 2008 6:25 pm

maypaxvobiscum wrote:
Igor Zidane wrote:
maypaxvobiscum wrote:
Igor Zidane wrote:
maypaxvobiscum wrote:
Igor Zidane wrote:
maypaxvobiscum wrote:
maguskwt wrote:
maypaxvobiscum wrote:to be fair, if the owners are preventing rafa from signing barry, they are quite right. why do we need him when we have alonso, gerrard, plessis, lucas, mash and other youngsters who can play there? its a waste of money which should be spent on a real winger on the left or right. also, pacheco has so much potential i feel he should at least be on the bench. thing with liverpool these days is that they dont seem to give potential stars a chance. fowler, macca, owen, carra, etc you get my point? i guess the owners are asking themselves if barry is needed. and what sort of improvement is he on what we already have? look at madrid (of all teams) spending under 10mil for a younger player in van der vaart and we miss out on him? for this instance, im not backing rafa. this offer and want for barry is making no sense.

it's not about whether or not barry is a suitable target for us it's about whether or not the owners should be interfering in a manager's job in the first place...

but wouldnt it be a plus if that inteference saved us?

Saved us from what ?

saved us from spending over the odds for a player whom we dont need. the money can and should be used elsewhere. stewert downing, joe cole, aaron lennon, etc.

According to who?

me. duh.

Oh that's alright then , thank feck your not the boss then . Aaron Lennon ffs.

i was naming examples. and whats wrong with lennon? its not like we have decent wingers in the first place. and even if we do, for some reason rafa doesnt play them much (benayoun).

Any fan in the right mind would have Barry over Lennon or Downing, Lennons no better than Pennant ffs. Look for the last time Rafa has brought in an attacking FB to provide width down the left so he needs someone infront who can drop back and provide cover when needed, IMHO Barry could fill that role better than anyone else mentioned, can you not see we arent in the market for an out and out winger having already signed an attacking FB he need someone who is just as good playing infront as he is behind.

by **Kharhaz** » Mon Aug 11, 2008 11:49 pm

Rush Job wrote:Any fan in the right mind would have Barry over Lennon or Downing, Lennons no better than Pennant ffs. Look for the last time Rafa has brought in an attacking FB to provide width down the left so he needs someone infront who can drop back and provide cover when needed, IMHO Barry could fill that role better than anyone else mentioned, can you not see we arent in the market for an out and out winger having already signed an attacking FB he need someone who is just as good playing infront as he is behind.

The question though is the price. Downing and Lennon are wingers and would be played as such, but are they worth £18 million? no, of course not. Barry plays better as a midfielder but wouldnt make much difference, is he worth £18 million? Again no but I would much rather us spend money on a position which needs to be filled by players who have played there all there career than pay over the odds for a player who is at his peak in a position we have plenty of cover for.

by **Rush Job** » Tue Aug 12, 2008 12:08 am

Kharhaz wrote:
Rush Job wrote:Any fan in the right mind would have Barry over Lennon or Downing, Lennons no better than Pennant ffs. Look for the last time Rafa has brought in an attacking FB to provide width down the left so he needs someone infront who can drop back and provide cover when needed, IMHO Barry could fill that role better than anyone else mentioned, can you not see we arent in the market for an out and out winger having already signed an attacking FB he need someone who is just as good playing infront as he is behind.

The question though is the price. Downing and Lennon are wingers and would be played as such, but are they worth £18 million? no, of course not. Barry plays better as a midfielder but wouldnt make much difference, is he worth £18 million? Again no but I would much rather us spend money on a position which needs to be filled by players who have played there all there career than pay over the odds for a player who is at his peak in a position we have plenty of cover for.

Yes but thats not true because he's played most his career wide left, wingback or fullback not midfield, and no it wouldnt be right to say he's only played at a high standard since moving to CM.

by **Kharhaz** » Tue Aug 12, 2008 12:17 am

Rush Job wrote:
Kharhaz wrote:
Rush Job wrote:Any fan in the right mind would have Barry over Lennon or Downing, Lennons no better than Pennant ffs. Look for the last time Rafa has brought in an attacking FB to provide width down the left so he needs someone infront who can drop back and provide cover when needed, IMHO Barry could fill that role better than anyone else mentioned, can you not see we arent in the market for an out and out winger having already signed an attacking FB he need someone who is just as good playing infront as he is behind.

The question though is the price. Downing and Lennon are wingers and would be played as such, but are they worth £18 million? no, of course not. Barry plays better as a midfielder but wouldnt make much difference, is he worth £18 million? Again no but I would much rather us spend money on a position which needs to be filled by players who have played there all there career than pay over the odds for a player who is at his peak in a position we have plenty of cover for.

Yes but thats not true because he's played most his career wide left, wingback or fullback not midfield, and no it wouldnt be right to say he's only played at a high standard since moving to CM.

He hasnt played on the flank all his career though has he? He has played in different positions. We need a pure winger more than anything and for me Barry, at £18 million has about 2 years at the max in that position, compare him to giggs and thats the difference. Giggs knows that position inside out, barry doesnt.

by **Rush Job** » Tue Aug 12, 2008 1:28 am

Kharhaz wrote:
Rush Job wrote:
Kharhaz wrote:
Rush Job wrote:Any fan in the right mind would have Barry over Lennon or Downing, Lennons no better than Pennant ffs. Look for the last time Rafa has brought in an attacking FB to provide width down the left so he needs someone infront who can drop back and provide cover when needed, IMHO Barry could fill that role better than anyone else mentioned, can you not see we arent in the market for an out and out winger having already signed an attacking FB he need someone who is just as good playing infront as he is behind.

The question though is the price. Downing and Lennon are wingers and would be played as such, but are they worth £18 million? no, of course not. Barry plays better as a midfielder but wouldnt make much difference, is he worth £18 million? Again no but I would much rather us spend money on a position which needs to be filled by players who have played there all there career than pay over the odds for a player who is at his peak in a position we have plenty of cover for.

Yes but thats not true because he's played most his career wide left, wingback or fullback not midfield, and no it wouldnt be right to say he's only played at a high standard since moving to CM.

He hasnt played on the flank all his career though has he? He has played in different positions. We need a pure winger more than anything and for me Barry, at £18 million has about 2 years at the max in that position, compare him to giggs and thats the difference. Giggs knows that position inside out, barry doesnt.

Like i said he's played most his career wide left, oh but just because he hasnt played every game there he doesnt know the position? whatever mate, im sure Rafa see's it as a plus that he's a player who can play well wide left but is equally at home covering behind an attacking FB whilst also able at very least to provide real competition/cover at CM, how can you use that versatility agaist him? its that that makes him an apealing player to us right now, if he was going to sign out and out wingers he wouldnt have brought in attacking FB's to provide width, think about it Dossena overlapping Silva? Alonso would never get out of defence.

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