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by **kazza** » Sat May 10, 2008 9:30 am

I hope he stays as I think he offers alot but mainly as a sub. If we get 15 mil for him then that is too good to pass up. There are not many players like him and would be hard to replace.

by **Owzat** » Sun May 11, 2008 9:43 am

Thingy wrote:Though he had played more than that Manhattan, stats are played 135, scored 42.

Almost as official as you'll get, since I have all Rafa's games on file and all Crouch's goals too.

Peter Crouch (Liverpool)

Appearances : 134
Minutes : 7,932
Goals : 42
Goals/Appearance : 0.313

Home & Away

Home : 73 apps, 24 goals (0.329 goals/app)
Home : 55 apps, 15 goals (0.273 goals/app)
Neutral* : 6 apps, 3 goals (0.500 goals/app)

*includes Deportivo Saprissa who he scored twice against, Sao Paolo and AC Milan

By opposition

vs ManU/Arsenal/Chelsea : 26 apps, 6 goals (0.231 goals/app)
vs Spurs/Everton/Pompey/Blackburn/Bolton : 22 apps, 3 goals (0.136 goals/app)
vs Top clubs Europe/ROW* : 8 apps, 0 goals (0.000 goals/app)
vs Rest : 78 apps, 33 goals (0.423 goals/app)

*Spanish and Italian clubs, CSKA Moscow, FC Porto and Sao Paolo. In fairness these were mostly brief appearances except Betis.

By season

2005/6 : 49 appearances, 13 goals (0.265 goals/app)
2006/7 : 49 appearances, 18 goals (0.367 goals/app)
2007/8 : 36 appearances, 11 goals (0.306 goals/app)

So even when he was pretty much first choice and playing 74 minutes per game he was still well short of a goal every other game. He has notched up 100 goalless appearances.

The reason I also split out stats against Pompey, the bitters, Bolton, Spudz and Blackburn is they have been the pick of the rest of the Premiership in the seasons Crouch has been at Anfield, all will have finished in the top ten at least twice. villa can't, this is their first venture into the top ten since Crouch got here. His record is two goals in four games against them which if you did argue a case to include villa it would only improve his record in that category slightly to 5 in 26 at 0.192 goals/app.

by **Owzat** » Sun May 11, 2008 9:46 am

kazza wrote:I hope he stays as I think he offers alot but mainly as a sub. If we get 15 mil for him then that is too good to pass up. There are not many players like him and would be hard to replace.

I don't think his impact as a sub is anything like what many on here idealise in their heads. And to have a merchandisable product on the bench and for playing in weakened XIs to rest others is rather a waste. It's kinda like buying an expensive car to sit on your drive for use only when you go to slum areas you don't want your car trashed, while you drive your classy car around most of the time. I'd sell and invest the money in a quality partner for Torres or for areas we need. To have Crouch sat on the bench is a waste, he won't be happy as he's already said, and if we can get £10m for him then it's funds tied up that could be used elsewhere.

by **redmikey** » Sun May 11, 2008 10:36 am

one thing is for certain is that crouch will get a good reception if he leaves for pompy and rightly so imho the lad stuff at his game through a bad spell at the start and has done all that can be asked of him when ever he has been called upon, he has never really moan in the press about some big snubs ie champ league final

but i reckon 10m + A DECENT LEFT SIDED player would be good business

and crouch will want to play if he wants a chance at the england squad

by **Redman in wales** » Sun May 11, 2008 10:56 am

from BBC rumours mill;

Peter Crouch will buy out the remaining year of his Liverpool contract and move abroad, with Spanish club Villarreal reportedly interested in the striker. (The People)

I know its a rumour,, but still scary if this happens... nevermind £15mil... I'd let him go for £7mil, than face that senario

by **bigmick** » Sun May 11, 2008 11:51 am

Hey as a first ever post on the forum mate that's not a bad one :;):

by **Sabre** » Sun May 11, 2008 11:55 am

bigmick wrote:Hey as a first ever post on the forum mate that's not a bad one

The nick sounds familiar too.

Back to topic, I consider Crouch's contribution positive, just I considered positive the job Luis Garcia did, the job Hamman did, the job Sissoko did, and the job others who left the club did.

If we look at the financial aspect of the player, it seems as if in worst case scenario we'll get some money more than we paid for him.

So no matter which aspect I look, Crouch's contribution has been positive. Perhaps he wasn't the 30 goals scorer we needed, but neither were Morientes, Kuyt and Voronin.

Good player.

by **account deleted by request** » Sun May 11, 2008 12:47 pm

I posted in the rumours thread that Crouch is considering buying out his contract for £3million and moving abroad. If he does, you can't really blame him. P!ssed about all season and then having a £15million price tag put on his head, even though he is in the last year of his contract.

And for those that think the asking price should have nothing to do with the player, it matters a lot to the player, because it effects how much a new club can then offer in wages.

by **Owzat** » Sun May 11, 2008 6:17 pm

s@int wrote:I posted in the rumours thread that Crouch is considering buying out his contract for £3million and moving abroad. If he does, you can't really blame him. P!ssed about all season and then having a £15million price tag put on his head, even though he is in the last year of his contract.

And for those that think the asking price should have nothing to do with the player, it matters a lot to the player, because it effects how much a new club can then offer in wages.

I saw that rumour on the BBC gossip/transfer rumours page. So much for £15m, still we might get Owen for £3m. If we can sell Crouch for £7m+ and sign Owen for £3m or £4m then I say do it. He may not be as quick as he was and suffer the odd injury, but for that little he's worth the 'gamble.

Agree on the wages issue, I don't believe we're in a strong position to demand a fee so high. I still reckon we should have sold in January even though he's netted a few goals against the Lutons, Havants and Sunderlands of the world.

by **SupitsJonF** » Sat May 31, 2008 10:38 pm

Sorry to

this but if the 6+5 rule goes into effect or affect w/e, which is a possibility, then the value of any talented English player will go up.

So, maybe selling Peter Crouch this season would be a bad idea. For money reasons, it might make him a lot more valuable if this rule goes into effect.

Or, Liverpool only has 3 english (not counting reserves) players besides crouch:

Carragher
Gerrard
Pennant.

Crouch may come in handy, and might be worth keeping.

Any thoughts?

by **bigmick** » Sat May 31, 2008 10:49 pm

As I understand it, they are talking about the rule kicking in around 2012 and even then it is highly questionable whther they would be able to get around the employment laws. If that or anything similar is the case, it is somethign worth considering as we go forward, but I wouldn't think we should begin to keep players we should otherwise move on just in case it ever comes to pass.

by **Penguins** » Sun Jun 01, 2008 1:02 am

Since the situation with Crouch is what it is, getting anything close to 10 million would be great by now.

He has been treated like **** the whole season, has only one year left on his contract and can leave for free in a year.

Not only that, since he do feel he hasn't been treated that well and Rafa insist on over 10 million he can buy out the last year of his contract.

Let's face it, Crouch is sitting on all the aces and LFC has nothing to bargain with.

Owen was our star and played regurlarly when he left for 8 million when he had one year left of his contract.

And please spare me the:

"But this is different"

Well, yes, but not different in a good way.

Since then the option to buy out a contract exist.
Chrouch value has dropped since he has played so little this season and is out of favour.

We will never get over 10 for Crouch if we even get anything.

by **Reg** » Sun Jun 01, 2008 1:14 am

greenbyname_redbynature wrote:big mistake letting him go.

Big mistake not believing in him when he is able to produce the goods.

The lads being sacrificied by those who dont even want to have a back-up striker in case Torres is injured. Plain Crazy.

by **Penguins** » Sun Jun 01, 2008 2:04 am

That is because the manager has some kind of sick belief in Kuyt, who can't score in a brothel.

In 25 games as striker were we forced to watch his ineptitude
and put up with Rafa's stubborness. Until he gave up and
switched the system just so his favourite somehow could play.

God forbid Crouch, who actually scored when he got the chance, was ever going to get a fair crack at the whip.

by **Toffeehater** » Sun Jun 01, 2008 5:54 am

FFS , where is rafa supposed to play crouch all this season? drop him for torres? I'm sure u lot will be moaning oh why did rafa drop him . this new formation does not suit crouch , as for penguin , feck off . crouch gonna play in kuyt's postion on the wing ? , we tried that and we lost to reading . So get your facts right , kuyt is our top scorer in europe and from the wing . Crouch can't cross for nuts as well . I'm sorry if crouch wants to leave then he can feck off even if it means buying his last year of his contract . He needs to remember the club that made him who he is , an england international

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