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NANNY RED wrote:I watched the Ressies tonight John quality for the future same as were the Arsenal players came from and as you said look were they are but Wenger spent as well on them youngters and now theve got it together and growing

JoeTerp wrote:also Wenger has had plenty of TIME to build this team from cheaper youth signings

time, time, time, time, time and time again I hear how it's down to time that Wenger and Fergie are the top two managers in this division.

OK I'll accept that IF somebody can explain to me why Steve Coppell is managing a team below Sunderland, Birmingham, Spurs, Newcastle, Villa, City and Bolton. Keane, McCliesh, Ramos, Keegan (this time round) O'Neill, Eriksson and Megson have all be managing their repsective clubs for less time than Coppell has been managing Reading, but Reading are lower than them all. Your explanations here please. Or does time only excuse Benitez?

Next, Allerdyce had been managing Bolton for nearly 10 years in that time Benitez had managed us for three whole years. But Bolton didn't once finish above Liverpool under Benitez. So again why does time only exist for teams above us but not below.

Thirdly, Grant has been in charge of Chelsea for less time than Benitez has at Liverpool and Grant has spent less than Benitez, but Chelsea are above us under Grant. Hmmmmm now what's the reasons there?

Next just in case someone wants to mention money which is another great excuse for why we're so far behind. I'll use the prem again, Sunderland have spent millions of money this season, 9 million alone on a keeper and another 5 million on a first division player, yet still find themselves behind Blackburn who can't even afford the bus fair from Ewood Park to Speke Airport. So again is it only money when it comes to Liverpool? My favourite for this is Everton, they've spent nowhere near the equivilant of us yet find themselves above us.

Villa and City haven't spent as much as us over the past 4 years (Benitez' reign) and have managers who've been managing for shorter time than Benitez at their respected clubs but yet still find themsleves in a battle for fourth with us. So where does money and time exist here?

Now this isn't a rant about Benitez being a bad manager, it's a rant to prove that time and money are excuses for why we're not challenging. Time and money don't win you the league, players and managers do. Just like zones don't score goals players do so why zonal mark. If it's down to time, what do you suggest...we keep hold of Benitez for 40 years and hope Fergie has retired by then because then he'd of had more time than any other manager in the league? Or maybe we just give Benitez an open cheque book to sign a million more Josemi's Nunez' or Morientes'.

Time and money (please read this carefully) BOTH CONTRIBUTE TO THE CHANCE OF WINNING THE LEAGUE, BUT NEITHER ARE VALID EXCUSES FOR FAILURE.

redtrader74 wrote:

Time and money (please read this carefully) BOTH CONTRIBUTE TO THE CHANCE OF WINNING THE LEAGUE, BUT NEITHER ARE VALID EXCUSES FOR FAILURE.

Tell that to Billy Davis and your mate Jol.

god_bless_john_houlding wrote:

JoeTerp wrote:also Wenger has had plenty of TIME to build this team from cheaper youth signings

time, time, time, time, time and time again I hear how it's down to time that Wenger and Fergie are the top two managers in this division.

OK I'll accept that IF somebody can explain to me why Steve Coppell is managing a team below Sunderland, Birmingham, Spurs, Newcastle, Villa, City and Bolton. Keane, McCliesh, Ramos, Keegan (this time round) O'Neill, Eriksson and Megson have all be managing their repsective clubs for less time than Coppell has been managing Reading, but Reading are lower than them all. Your explanations here please. Or does time only excuse Benitez?

Next, Allerdyce had been managing Bolton for nearly 10 years in that time Benitez had managed us for three whole years. But Bolton didn't once finish above Liverpool under Benitez. So again why does time only exist for teams above us but not below.

Thirdly, Grant has been in charge of Chelsea for less time than Benitez has at Liverpool and Grant has spent less than Benitez, but Chelsea are above us under Grant. Hmmmmm now what's the reasons there?

Next just in case someone wants to mention money which is another great excuse for why we're so far behind. I'll use the prem again, Sunderland have spent millions of money this season, 9 million alone on a keeper and another 5 million on a first division player, yet still find themselves behind Blackburn who can't even afford the bus fair from Ewood Park to Speke Airport. So again is it only money when it comes to Liverpool? My favourite for this is Everton, they've spent nowhere near the equivilant of us yet find themselves above us.

Villa and City haven't spent as much as us over the past 4 years (Benitez' reign) and have managers who've been managing for shorter time than Benitez at their respected clubs but yet still find themsleves in a battle for fourth with us. So where does money and time exist here?

Now this isn't a rant about Benitez being a bad manager, it's a rant to prove that time and money are excuses for why we're not challenging. Time and money don't win you the league, players and managers do. Just like zones don't score goals players do so why zonal mark. If it's down to time, what do you suggest...we keep hold of Benitez for 40 years and hope Fergie has retired by then because then he'd of had more time than any other manager in the league? Or maybe we just give Benitez an open cheque book to sign a million more Josemi's Nunez' or Morientes'.

Time and money (please read this carefully) BOTH CONTRIBUTE TO THE CHANCE OF WINNING THE LEAGUE, BUT NEITHER ARE VALID EXCUSES FOR FAILURE.

god_bless_john_houlding wrote:

redtrader74 wrote:

Time and money (please read this carefully) BOTH CONTRIBUTE TO THE CHANCE OF WINNING THE LEAGUE, BUT NEITHER ARE VALID EXCUSES FOR FAILURE.

Tell that to Billy Davis and your mate Jol.

Billy Davies was badly treated by the Derby board. Jol was forced to buy players he didn't want.

NANNY RED wrote:

JBG wrote:

heimdall wrote:I think DIC will have completed the buyout by the 19th March, first they'll get Gillett, probably within a few days, if not this evening, then Hicks will cave in to pressure and sell his share as well.

But a couple of hours ago you thought we would end up like Leeds?     

He was on the ale then non alchoholic

No that was before I had anything to drink, I was saying that if Hicks didn't sell and instead took full control of the club we would end up like Leeds, come on I'm always consistent, at least give me that   

redtrader74 wrote:

god_bless_john_houlding wrote:

redtrader74 wrote:

Time and money (please read this carefully) BOTH CONTRIBUTE TO THE CHANCE OF WINNING THE LEAGUE, BUT NEITHER ARE VALID EXCUSES FOR FAILURE.

Tell that to Billy Davis and your mate Jol.

Billy Davies was badly treated by the Derby board. Jol was forced to buy players he didn't want.

Don't care poor excuses for failure, they should still have performed, its not good enough.

Kharhaz wrote:

god_bless_john_houlding wrote:

JoeTerp wrote:also Wenger has had plenty of TIME to build this team from cheaper youth signings

time, time, time, time, time and time again I hear how it's down to time that Wenger and Fergie are the top two managers in this division.

OK I'll accept that IF somebody can explain to me why Steve Coppell is managing a team below Sunderland, Birmingham, Spurs, Newcastle, Villa, City and Bolton. Keane, McCliesh, Ramos, Keegan (this time round) O'Neill, Eriksson and Megson have all be managing their repsective clubs for less time than Coppell has been managing Reading, but Reading are lower than them all. Your explanations here please. Or does time only excuse Benitez?

Next, Allerdyce had been managing Bolton for nearly 10 years in that time Benitez had managed us for three whole years. But Bolton didn't once finish above Liverpool under Benitez. So again why does time only exist for teams above us but not below.

Thirdly, Grant has been in charge of Chelsea for less time than Benitez has at Liverpool and Grant has spent less than Benitez, but Chelsea are above us under Grant. Hmmmmm now what's the reasons there?

Next just in case someone wants to mention money which is another great excuse for why we're so far behind. I'll use the prem again, Sunderland have spent millions of money this season, 9 million alone on a keeper and another 5 million on a first division player, yet still find themselves behind Blackburn who can't even afford the bus fair from Ewood Park to Speke Airport. So again is it only money when it comes to Liverpool? My favourite for this is Everton, they've spent nowhere near the equivilant of us yet find themselves above us.

Villa and City haven't spent as much as us over the past 4 years (Benitez' reign) and have managers who've been managing for shorter time than Benitez at their respected clubs but yet still find themsleves in a battle for fourth with us. So where does money and time exist here?

Now this isn't a rant about Benitez being a bad manager, it's a rant to prove that time and money are excuses for why we're not challenging. Time and money don't win you the league, players and managers do. Just like zones don't score goals players do so why zonal mark. If it's down to time, what do you suggest...we keep hold of Benitez for 40 years and hope Fergie has retired by then because then he'd of had more time than any other manager in the league? Or maybe we just give Benitez an open cheque book to sign a million more Josemi's Nunez' or Morientes'.

Time and money (please read this carefully) BOTH CONTRIBUTE TO THE CHANCE OF WINNING THE LEAGUE, BUT NEITHER ARE VALID EXCUSES FOR FAILURE.

Its because of the standards each club sets itself. Boltons aim was to avoid relegation. Above all else sam allardyce was entrusted with keeping the club in the premiership. He achieved this, and with time built a team capable of european qualification. The rest of the managers you mentioned also had the same aim with there teams, aside from red nose and the voyeur. Its the standards of each club that sets the supporters apart.

heimdall wrote:

NANNY RED wrote:

JBG wrote:

heimdall wrote:I think DIC will have completed the buyout by the 19th March, first they'll get Gillett, probably within a few days, if not this evening, then Hicks will cave in to pressure and sell his share as well.

But a couple of hours ago you thought we would end up like Leeds?     

He was on the ale then non alchoholic

No that was before I had anything to drink, I was saying that if Hicks didn't sell and instead took full control of the club we would end up like Leeds, come on I'm always consistent, at least give me that   

Glad to see you got the Joke  Nah i agree with you if Hicks stays in control thats the way i can see us goin i said weeks ago the same thing

god_bless_john_houlding wrote:[ So how long is long enough?

Bl.oody hell John i agree with the last bit only enough is enough now is not the time to be worrying about how long is a piece of string my priority at the moment is these con men and until they are gone this shoud be are only priority otherwise we could be talking not about the prem but the championship in the future mate if they remain at this club

NANNY RED wrote:

god_bless_john_houlding wrote:[ So how long is long enough?

Bl.oody hell John i agree with the last bit only enough is enough now is not the time to be worrying about how long is a piece of string my priority at the moment is these con men and until they are gone this shoud be are only priority otherwise we could be talking not about the prem but the championship in the future mate if they remain at this club

I agree, now is neither the time or place to be discussing Rafa, lets all focus on getting the American clowns out of our club, then we can get back to the fun topics.    

heimdall wrote:

NANNY RED wrote:

god_bless_john_houlding wrote:[ So how long is long enough?

Bl.oody hell John i agree with the last bit only enough is enough now is not the time to be worrying about how long is a piece of string my priority at the moment is these con men and until they are gone this shoud be are only priority otherwise we could be talking not about the prem but the championship in the future mate if they remain at this club

I agree, now is neither the time or place to be discussing Rafa, lets all focus on getting the American clowns out of our club, then we can get back to the fun topics.