TAKEOVER COMPLETE - H & G Finally Jibbed!
by 112-1077774096 » Mon Feb 04, 2008 3:54 am
well we could always play babel up front instead of somewhat nullifying his threat by sticking him on the left, he has shown he knows how to score and he has exceptional pace and skill, he should be given a chance up there when crouch is not playing
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by The_Rock » Mon Feb 04, 2008 4:46 am
god_bless_john_houlding wrote:Well at the start of the season I remember Kevin Doyle and Dave Kitson's names being mentioned, Kitson the top english goal scorer and Doyle can't do worse than what we have. Wouldn't cost a great deal and know how to play in England. Jones from Sunderland is another 1 in that brackett. I'd rather take a risky chance on a forward from a lesser Prem side for little money, than a huge buy from abroad who can't cut it. It makes sense.
Jones looks like he is gonna be the next drogba/adabayour....
Lets hope sunderland gets relegated so that we may get him on the cheap..... Ff he costs 10 million we should get him as he will give a torrid time for the opposition players even we he doesn't score. Then Torres will have an easy time scoring loads of goals as jones pulls away the defenders.
We should get rid of voronin, kuyt and crouch to fund this transfer...
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by The_Rock » Mon Feb 04, 2008 5:07 am
RedBlood wrote:i feel we already have a jones type player in crouch
i think what we need is more skill vison and speed up front
Nope jones harasses the opposition players like drogba. Crouch lets the defenders harass him...
If we get rid of crouch...we should look into signing jones... if crouch is still here...then sign the ajax striker Klaas-Jan Huntelaar (after getting rid of kuyt and voronin).
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INSIGHT: Where did it all go wrong at Liverpool FC?
Feb 3 2008
Tom Hicks and George Gillett took control of Liverpool FC a year ago this week. Andy Kelly begins the Daily Post’s special three-day report into the anniversary of the American takeover at Anfield.
A RECORD seventh Champions League final, another legendary semi-final victory over Chelsea, the arrival of a £20m striker and the unveiling of plans for a 70,000 seat new stadium.
Had you offered all these things to any Liverpool FC fan on February 6, 2007 as Americans Tom Hicks and George Gillett completed their take over of the club, they would probably have bitten your hand off.
Remarkably though, all those things have happened in the last year at Anfield - but the first anniversary approaches with demonstrations demanding the removal of the owners.
The empty seats next to Rick Parry and David Moores in the Anfield directors’ box, presumably left deliberately clear, speak volumes not just about the absence of the co-owners but the current absence of leadership at the club.
How have we gone from the welcoming banners for uncles Tom and George to the chants of “Get out of our club” and “Liverpool Football Club is in the wrong hands” which have been so prevalent in recent weeks?
How has Tom Hicks gone from the billionaire with the big bank balance to being labelled by some of the Kop faithful as the “liar” with a big head in just 12 months?
The demonstrations may have switched to post-match to ensure support for the team is not affected but the thousands who stayed behind on Saturday made it clear the criticisms are not going away.
How have we gone from talk of the club’s future being secured for the next 30 years to the possibility of another sale, this time to Dubai International Capital, and possibly within days?
The answer lies in broken promises, whether real or perceived, and a fair amount of bad luck along the way.
As a city Liverpool has a history of warmly welcoming needy new arrivals. The difference when Tom Hicks and George Gillett came to town was that here were two men who did not need help but could provide it.
They had, it was hoped, the financial muscle and marketing prowess which would finally allow Liverpool to challenge the riches of Manchester United and Chelsea, returning the club to the summit of English football.
Importantly, they did not have the negative human rights perceptions of then Thai prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra, now ensconced at Manchester City, who had been courted previously.
They had also promised not to load the club with debt, as Malcolm Glazer had at Old Trafford, prompting those gleeful chants of “USA, USA” from the Liverpool supporters which seem a lifetime ago now.
Fans were even prepared to turn a blind eye to Tom Hicks’s supposed close friendship with President George Bush, a significant sacrifice for some.
There was ready acceptance of the £220m deal quite simply because the club badly needed a change. Insiders describe the Moores era at the club as one of unbelievable inertia, where “getting things done was unbelievably difficult.”
An all too frequent summing up of his stewardship was that his method of keeping The Liverpool Way going was to do nothing.
At the famous Anfield press conference to announce the deal, both Hicks and Gillett said almost all the right things, though perhaps the lapse into “franchise” speak sparked the alarm bells for some even then.
Gillett, 69, said: “Our main priority is winning, then passion, respect for tradition, and legacy.”
“We didn’t come over here to be the guys to milk the franchise,” said Hicks, 61, “It is not just about money. If I just wanted to make money there are other things I could do.”
Yet milking the franchise and failing to respect that tradition are the two charges most laid against the Americans today.
FINANCE
While the initial deal did indeed not put debt on the club it was so short-term as to need renegotiating last month.
The new £350m deal with Royal Bank of Scotland and Wichovia puts £105m of debt directly on Liverpool FC, with £60m committed for the first stage of work on the new stadium and the rest for transfers and normal capital workings.
Some, though not all, accept that as legitimate but it is the part of the debt placed on Kop Football Holdings, the company formed by the Americans to run the club, which is most controversial.
A spokesman for Hicks recently made it clear that the asset itself – ie Liverpool Football Club – will be expected to “service” that debt of almost £200m, though with Gillett and Hicks on standby if the club fails to produce the necessary profits. Essentially the club pays for the loan used to buy the club.
It should not come as any huge surprise. As early as last March, Daily Post business editor Bill Gleeson warned of possible repayments of around £21m a year, perhaps by the club paying its first ever dividend to the new shareholders. With refinancing, those estimates have jumped to around the £30m mark.
It is now clear the only thing which prevented the whole debt coming onto the club at this stage was the stubborn refusal of both chief executive Rick Parry and former owner David Moores to sanction it. Both are members of the Kop Holdings board (along with Hicks and Gillett, and sons Foster and Tommy).
The Daily Post has learned that bankers demanded an agreement from all six board members on the refinancing deal, allowing Parry and Moores the opportunity to block it.
Removing them from the board at this stage would have been viewed as too antagonistic so the compromise was agreed.
Rick Parry’s letter to season ticket holders last February saying “the club is in very safe hands” is suddenly ringing distinctly hollow for many.
It is not quite Glazer, but it is a mini-Glazer and the natives are not just restless, but rebellious. A new fans group, Sons of Shankly, intends to boycott club merchandise as part of a campaign to hit the owners where it most hurts. Others led by the University of Liverpool’s Rogan Taylor have launched a radical plan to buy the club with a one member one share, one vote proposal which seeks 100,000 investors at £5,000 each.
Both could be overtaken if the DIC bid materialises as expected though some in the Anfield hierarchy believe fans are clinging to an option they know little about.
“The question you should ask fans is what details they know of the DIC bid? The reality is most know hardly anything and are grasping that option because of the anti-American feeling,” said one senior figure.
THE STADIUM
“I’d rather be a lucky general than a good one,” was how Napoleon put it and in that sense Messrs Hicks and Gillett shouldn’t be looking to enter too many battlefields any time soon. When they took over, the Stanley Park stadium was costed at around £225m. But they thought the designs “obsolete” and new designs were commissioned by Dallas-based HKS.
Unveiled in July 2007 to almost universal approval, they offered the tantalising prospect of future expansion to beyond 76,000 seats, making the stadium larger than Old Trafford.
The new cost was £300m but that didn’t stand still for long. Just a few months later and a cost of £450m had developed, thanks to rising steel and construction costs worldwide. At the same time, the value of the dollar has plummeted by around 10% in a year against the European currencies in which Liverpool FC does most of its business, making the costs weigh even heavier on two men whose assets were also almost completely held in dollars.
On top of that, the global credit crunch has made borrowing money even more expensive. The first plans were scrapped and a revised plan for a straight 70,000 seat stadium by HKS was unveiled last month, costed at £400m. Work has not started properly yet and another huge loan will be needed to pay for it.
INSTABILITY
The first cracks in the normal united front presented by Liverpool FC to the world were between manager Rafael Benitez and the two Americans. The frustrated Spaniard - regarded by insiders as “difficult” - was told to concentrate on improving the team when he wanted to be dealing for players, prompting his infamous “I am concentrating on preparing my team” press conference last November where he repeated the mantra ad nauseum to a bemused press pack.
Then came January’s shock confirmation from Tom Hicks that he and Gillett had spoken to Jurgen Klinsmann about possibly replacing Benitez as an “insurance policy”. It went down like a lead balloon with supporters who regard loyalty as a religion, and infuriated Benitez.
The chants in support of Benitez, the man who had delivered Istanbul and one of the great FA Cup finals, were now allied to calls for the removal of the Americans.
Behind the scenes Gillett, 69, has been increasingly angered by his partner’s public gaffes and their relationship is now considered deeply strained.
Gillett refused to put his name to the press release regarding the refinancing deal and has not commented publically on it. His son Foster left Liverpool three weeks ago and a return in any meaningful capacity is regarded as unlikely. A source said: “Announcing the refinancing like a triumph was a mistake, that’s why Gillett didn’t want to put his name to it. Hicks will never understand The Liverpool Way.”
THE SOLUTION
So what to do? While Tom Hicks has regularly stated his intention to stay at Liverpool - despite admitting talks with DIC about selling them a 15% stake - sources say George Gillett is hoping his partner will take a profit on his shares and sell to the Arab consortium, “but he doesn't expect it to happen”.
Gillett himself could take the money thought to be on the table from DIC or both could go. One of the problems is Hicks’s valuation of the club at £1bn because of the revenues which he believes the new stadium will create come 2011.
No buyer is likely to accept that figure. It is astonishing that at Liverpool FC, once a bastion of stability, neither the owners, the chief executive, any of the board or indeed the manager can be assured of their current position. No wonder the fans think DIC offers a better alternative.
http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/liverpo....0431555
Feb 3 2008
Tom Hicks and George Gillett took control of Liverpool FC a year ago this week. Andy Kelly begins the Daily Post’s special three-day report into the anniversary of the American takeover at Anfield.
A RECORD seventh Champions League final, another legendary semi-final victory over Chelsea, the arrival of a £20m striker and the unveiling of plans for a 70,000 seat new stadium.
Had you offered all these things to any Liverpool FC fan on February 6, 2007 as Americans Tom Hicks and George Gillett completed their take over of the club, they would probably have bitten your hand off.
Remarkably though, all those things have happened in the last year at Anfield - but the first anniversary approaches with demonstrations demanding the removal of the owners.
The empty seats next to Rick Parry and David Moores in the Anfield directors’ box, presumably left deliberately clear, speak volumes not just about the absence of the co-owners but the current absence of leadership at the club.
How have we gone from the welcoming banners for uncles Tom and George to the chants of “Get out of our club” and “Liverpool Football Club is in the wrong hands” which have been so prevalent in recent weeks?
How has Tom Hicks gone from the billionaire with the big bank balance to being labelled by some of the Kop faithful as the “liar” with a big head in just 12 months?
The demonstrations may have switched to post-match to ensure support for the team is not affected but the thousands who stayed behind on Saturday made it clear the criticisms are not going away.
How have we gone from talk of the club’s future being secured for the next 30 years to the possibility of another sale, this time to Dubai International Capital, and possibly within days?
The answer lies in broken promises, whether real or perceived, and a fair amount of bad luck along the way.
As a city Liverpool has a history of warmly welcoming needy new arrivals. The difference when Tom Hicks and George Gillett came to town was that here were two men who did not need help but could provide it.
They had, it was hoped, the financial muscle and marketing prowess which would finally allow Liverpool to challenge the riches of Manchester United and Chelsea, returning the club to the summit of English football.
Importantly, they did not have the negative human rights perceptions of then Thai prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra, now ensconced at Manchester City, who had been courted previously.
They had also promised not to load the club with debt, as Malcolm Glazer had at Old Trafford, prompting those gleeful chants of “USA, USA” from the Liverpool supporters which seem a lifetime ago now.
Fans were even prepared to turn a blind eye to Tom Hicks’s supposed close friendship with President George Bush, a significant sacrifice for some.
There was ready acceptance of the £220m deal quite simply because the club badly needed a change. Insiders describe the Moores era at the club as one of unbelievable inertia, where “getting things done was unbelievably difficult.”
An all too frequent summing up of his stewardship was that his method of keeping The Liverpool Way going was to do nothing.
At the famous Anfield press conference to announce the deal, both Hicks and Gillett said almost all the right things, though perhaps the lapse into “franchise” speak sparked the alarm bells for some even then.
Gillett, 69, said: “Our main priority is winning, then passion, respect for tradition, and legacy.”
“We didn’t come over here to be the guys to milk the franchise,” said Hicks, 61, “It is not just about money. If I just wanted to make money there are other things I could do.”
Yet milking the franchise and failing to respect that tradition are the two charges most laid against the Americans today.
FINANCE
While the initial deal did indeed not put debt on the club it was so short-term as to need renegotiating last month.
The new £350m deal with Royal Bank of Scotland and Wichovia puts £105m of debt directly on Liverpool FC, with £60m committed for the first stage of work on the new stadium and the rest for transfers and normal capital workings.
Some, though not all, accept that as legitimate but it is the part of the debt placed on Kop Football Holdings, the company formed by the Americans to run the club, which is most controversial.
A spokesman for Hicks recently made it clear that the asset itself – ie Liverpool Football Club – will be expected to “service” that debt of almost £200m, though with Gillett and Hicks on standby if the club fails to produce the necessary profits. Essentially the club pays for the loan used to buy the club.
It should not come as any huge surprise. As early as last March, Daily Post business editor Bill Gleeson warned of possible repayments of around £21m a year, perhaps by the club paying its first ever dividend to the new shareholders. With refinancing, those estimates have jumped to around the £30m mark.
It is now clear the only thing which prevented the whole debt coming onto the club at this stage was the stubborn refusal of both chief executive Rick Parry and former owner David Moores to sanction it. Both are members of the Kop Holdings board (along with Hicks and Gillett, and sons Foster and Tommy).
The Daily Post has learned that bankers demanded an agreement from all six board members on the refinancing deal, allowing Parry and Moores the opportunity to block it.
Removing them from the board at this stage would have been viewed as too antagonistic so the compromise was agreed.
Rick Parry’s letter to season ticket holders last February saying “the club is in very safe hands” is suddenly ringing distinctly hollow for many.
It is not quite Glazer, but it is a mini-Glazer and the natives are not just restless, but rebellious. A new fans group, Sons of Shankly, intends to boycott club merchandise as part of a campaign to hit the owners where it most hurts. Others led by the University of Liverpool’s Rogan Taylor have launched a radical plan to buy the club with a one member one share, one vote proposal which seeks 100,000 investors at £5,000 each.
Both could be overtaken if the DIC bid materialises as expected though some in the Anfield hierarchy believe fans are clinging to an option they know little about.
“The question you should ask fans is what details they know of the DIC bid? The reality is most know hardly anything and are grasping that option because of the anti-American feeling,” said one senior figure.
THE STADIUM
“I’d rather be a lucky general than a good one,” was how Napoleon put it and in that sense Messrs Hicks and Gillett shouldn’t be looking to enter too many battlefields any time soon. When they took over, the Stanley Park stadium was costed at around £225m. But they thought the designs “obsolete” and new designs were commissioned by Dallas-based HKS.
Unveiled in July 2007 to almost universal approval, they offered the tantalising prospect of future expansion to beyond 76,000 seats, making the stadium larger than Old Trafford.
The new cost was £300m but that didn’t stand still for long. Just a few months later and a cost of £450m had developed, thanks to rising steel and construction costs worldwide. At the same time, the value of the dollar has plummeted by around 10% in a year against the European currencies in which Liverpool FC does most of its business, making the costs weigh even heavier on two men whose assets were also almost completely held in dollars.
On top of that, the global credit crunch has made borrowing money even more expensive. The first plans were scrapped and a revised plan for a straight 70,000 seat stadium by HKS was unveiled last month, costed at £400m. Work has not started properly yet and another huge loan will be needed to pay for it.
INSTABILITY
The first cracks in the normal united front presented by Liverpool FC to the world were between manager Rafael Benitez and the two Americans. The frustrated Spaniard - regarded by insiders as “difficult” - was told to concentrate on improving the team when he wanted to be dealing for players, prompting his infamous “I am concentrating on preparing my team” press conference last November where he repeated the mantra ad nauseum to a bemused press pack.
Then came January’s shock confirmation from Tom Hicks that he and Gillett had spoken to Jurgen Klinsmann about possibly replacing Benitez as an “insurance policy”. It went down like a lead balloon with supporters who regard loyalty as a religion, and infuriated Benitez.
The chants in support of Benitez, the man who had delivered Istanbul and one of the great FA Cup finals, were now allied to calls for the removal of the Americans.
Behind the scenes Gillett, 69, has been increasingly angered by his partner’s public gaffes and their relationship is now considered deeply strained.
Gillett refused to put his name to the press release regarding the refinancing deal and has not commented publically on it. His son Foster left Liverpool three weeks ago and a return in any meaningful capacity is regarded as unlikely. A source said: “Announcing the refinancing like a triumph was a mistake, that’s why Gillett didn’t want to put his name to it. Hicks will never understand The Liverpool Way.”
THE SOLUTION
So what to do? While Tom Hicks has regularly stated his intention to stay at Liverpool - despite admitting talks with DIC about selling them a 15% stake - sources say George Gillett is hoping his partner will take a profit on his shares and sell to the Arab consortium, “but he doesn't expect it to happen”.
Gillett himself could take the money thought to be on the table from DIC or both could go. One of the problems is Hicks’s valuation of the club at £1bn because of the revenues which he believes the new stadium will create come 2011.
No buyer is likely to accept that figure. It is astonishing that at Liverpool FC, once a bastion of stability, neither the owners, the chief executive, any of the board or indeed the manager can be assured of their current position. No wonder the fans think DIC offers a better alternative.
http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/liverpo....0431555
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by account deleted by request » Mon Feb 04, 2008 8:24 am
I heard off a mate yesterday, that Gerrard and Carra went to see Moores/ Parry a couple of weeks ago, and they were told that everything would be sorted one way or another in a matter of weeks!
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by Ciggy » Mon Feb 04, 2008 9:12 am
s@int wrote:I heard off a mate yesterday, that Gerrard and Carra went to see Moores/ Parry a couple of weeks ago, and they were told that everything would be sorted one way or another in a matter of weeks!
Hope thats true Saint.
See the feckin kipper on Gerrard after the game on saturday misserable b@stard.
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by tubby » Mon Feb 04, 2008 10:05 am
s@int wrote:I heard off a mate yesterday, that Gerrard and Carra went to see Moores/ Parry a couple of weeks ago, and they were told that everything would be sorted one way or another in a matter of weeks!
I hope thats true.
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by Ciggy » Mon Feb 04, 2008 12:22 pm
http://www.teamtalk.com/football/yoursay/0,19082,1776,00.html
As promised last week, I can confirm that there will be TWO new offers made this week by DIC. One to take out Hicks alone (IMHO the less attractive option..we need one cook not two in the kitchen), and another to take out both TH&GG out.
I've been given reason to believe that there is real hope that the situation has now changed with the Americans. Still no word from GG or RP on anything that has gone on for the last few weeks, nothing on the official website other than TH's negotiating bluster of a letter, in his name, confirming the re-financing, no signing of the Mascherano deal (he will be only signed if DIC are going to eventually pay for him), no immediate sacking of Rafa (DIC have insisted that they want to make any managerial decisions).
The numbers are such that Hicks would walk away with a profit but not the outrageous amount he was looking for. He appears to be sick of it all, and ready to let go now despite all his bluster (which seems to all be about money).
And GG realising that if he wants to salvage CL qualification this season, and protect his investment, he needs to replace Hicks with DIC now (or sell out completely if he's tempted by the 20mil pounds immediate profit he will make like Hicks). And I get the sense that the supporter-based plan (unrealistic as I think it is) to takeover the club has also concentrated everyone's minds on the need to resolve things quickly so as not to lose PR value..
DIC have been stung by this is my sense, and no bad thing. So my big concern of us treading water until May in this horribly messy situation at the top is now receding. Fingers crossed, but there is definitely reason to hope.
As promised last week, I can confirm that there will be TWO new offers made this week by DIC. One to take out Hicks alone (IMHO the less attractive option..we need one cook not two in the kitchen), and another to take out both TH&GG out.
I've been given reason to believe that there is real hope that the situation has now changed with the Americans. Still no word from GG or RP on anything that has gone on for the last few weeks, nothing on the official website other than TH's negotiating bluster of a letter, in his name, confirming the re-financing, no signing of the Mascherano deal (he will be only signed if DIC are going to eventually pay for him), no immediate sacking of Rafa (DIC have insisted that they want to make any managerial decisions).
The numbers are such that Hicks would walk away with a profit but not the outrageous amount he was looking for. He appears to be sick of it all, and ready to let go now despite all his bluster (which seems to all be about money).
And GG realising that if he wants to salvage CL qualification this season, and protect his investment, he needs to replace Hicks with DIC now (or sell out completely if he's tempted by the 20mil pounds immediate profit he will make like Hicks). And I get the sense that the supporter-based plan (unrealistic as I think it is) to takeover the club has also concentrated everyone's minds on the need to resolve things quickly so as not to lose PR value..
DIC have been stung by this is my sense, and no bad thing. So my big concern of us treading water until May in this horribly messy situation at the top is now receding. Fingers crossed, but there is definitely reason to hope.
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by god_bless_john_houlding » Mon Feb 04, 2008 4:16 pm
I hope if DIC do take over the club, they don't make the same mistakes as Tom and Jerry because if they do, it'll make the club an even bigger laughing stock and we'll be back at the position we are now.
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4) If Torres has scored 60 league goals for Liverpool by the start of the 2011/12 season, I'll say he's better than Owen.
2) pass and move is the Liverpool groove
3) FIRST WILL ALWAYS BE FIRST AND SECOND WILL ALWAYS BE NOTHING.
4) If Torres has scored 60 league goals for Liverpool by the start of the 2011/12 season, I'll say he's better than Owen.
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by redtrader74 » Mon Feb 04, 2008 5:57 pm
I am surprised at how little stick Moores has recieved for selling up to G&H. Every man and his dog is lining up round the corner to kick in Rafa, who is at least trying his best, even under the circumstances, but Moores' action have actually jeopardised the future of the Club.
IMO there is a very real possibility of us 'doing a Leeds', and Moores allowed this to happen, he could have easily put in conditions in the deal which could have limited the scale of debt, and checked to see if these two actually had any real money. As i understand it our debt to turnover ration is the worst in the premiership, and will only get worse if further debt is added to build the stadium.
IMO there is a very real possibility of us 'doing a Leeds', and Moores allowed this to happen, he could have easily put in conditions in the deal which could have limited the scale of debt, and checked to see if these two actually had any real money. As i understand it our debt to turnover ration is the worst in the premiership, and will only get worse if further debt is added to build the stadium.
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by account deleted by request » Mon Feb 04, 2008 6:03 pm
I think everybody including Moores knows he made a big mistake selling to the clowns , but according to the "people in the know" he is trying his best to make up for his mistake now. Maybe once the two clowns are out of the picture, a few choice words will be saved for Moores but until then I think its better if we concentrate on removing the two cowboys first.
Supposedly Moores is the one leaking all the stuff to the press and pushing for DIC to come
Supposedly Moores is the one leaking all the stuff to the press and pushing for DIC to come
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by god_bless_john_houlding » Mon Feb 04, 2008 6:06 pm
You can't blame Moores, he isn't to know what the future holds. He loves this club as much as me and you, if he'd known this was going to happen he wouldn't of sold to the yanks, plain and simple. They've probably said all the right things to him without being to back it up when push came to shove.
1) You'll Never Walk Alone
2) pass and move is the Liverpool groove
3) FIRST WILL ALWAYS BE FIRST AND SECOND WILL ALWAYS BE NOTHING.
4) If Torres has scored 60 league goals for Liverpool by the start of the 2011/12 season, I'll say he's better than Owen.
2) pass and move is the Liverpool groove
3) FIRST WILL ALWAYS BE FIRST AND SECOND WILL ALWAYS BE NOTHING.
4) If Torres has scored 60 league goals for Liverpool by the start of the 2011/12 season, I'll say he's better than Owen.
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