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Postby Igor Zidane » Sun Feb 03, 2008 11:22 am

Ciggy wrote:The beautiful game doesn’t mean beautiful profits
by Andrew Neil on Sunday, 03 February 2008

When it comes to football, normal rules of business don't apply. You think with your heart, you do the sums with your feet and your make key decisions with your best pals over dinner.

So it is with huge surprise - and more than a little concern - that I see Dubai International Capital (DIC) is preparing another bid for Liverpool Football Club. By the time you read this column, the chances are DIC's US$500 million offer will have been accepted; one of the world's most famous clubs will be in Arab hands.

But I find this deal difficult to understand for several reasons. First, let's look at DIC's current investment strategy: it has major stakes in seven companies across the globe and in another seven private equity funds. According to its own website, DIC is "focused on acquisitions of market leading companies in Europe and North America, with a proven strategy and robust management".
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I could rest my case here: Liverpool FC is an iconic football team but "proven strategy and robust management" aren't words that quite go with it. The current owners paid US$340 million for the club last year; they took on US$87.7 million of debt; and soon agreed to the building of a new stadium. Now they have run out of cash and their total loans are approaching US$690 million. No wonder they need to get out in a hurry.

DIC can argue that Hicks and Gillett have made a mess of a fantastic brand and business; so stepping in makes perfect sense. They will point out that the boss of DIC, Sameer Al Ansari, is a lifelong Liverpool fan. This is what concerns me most.

Let's look at other "lifelong fans": Mike Ashley has pumped US$500 million into Newcastle Football Club, with no sign of any return in the next five years; Sir Alan Sugar eventually had to let go of his beloved Tottenham Football Club; Mohammed Al Fayed of Harrods fames is out US$700 million and counting at Fulham Football Club.

Football, whichever way you look at it, is not a business in which you will make money quickly. Which is why I fear Ansari and Co will come unstuck.

Their current investments abroad have all so far been admirable and with a clear profit return path. Take one of the most recent, a US$1.2 billion stake in Alliance Medical, a company which specializes in providing outsourced diagnostic imaging such as MRI scans.

DIC can open up the huge Middle East market. Nothing wrong with that - after all, that's what DIC exits for: to get into businesses, turn them around and get out.

But Gillett and Hicks got into Liverpool, realized they couldn't turn it around and got out in a hurry: the demands of 40,000 fans every weekend, the national media, the cries for new players and a new stadium, proved too much and too expensive.

Sameer Al Ansari is about to experience all this first hand. Football fans taking over football clubs have historically been marriages made in hell. Ansari is a smart man - if anyone can break the mould, he can. But I wouldn't hold your breath.

Andrew Neil is the former editor of The Sunday Times and chief executive of BSkyB. He is currently chief executive of Press Holdings Media, chairman of ITP, chairman of World Media Rights and a presenter of This Week (BBC1) Daily Politics (BBC2) Straight Talk (BBC News24).
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Feck me lynds i hope thats true and not a load of sh!te from andrew neil :sniffle
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Postby Woollyback » Sun Feb 03, 2008 11:30 am

interesting read that ciggy. i can see the bloke's point but he's using the examples of fulham (sorry but they can't be compared with liverpool in a million years) and spurs & newcastle who again can't be compared to liverpool football club. they're just 2 ne'er do well teams with delusions of grandeur when in fact they've won feck all of note between them in a generation. liverpool as a brand and with its collossal worldwide fanbase is in a completely different league to your newcastles/spurs, i think he's being a bit naiive to think we won't be able to turn a tidy profit
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Postby NANNY RED » Sun Feb 03, 2008 2:53 pm

Just watched this on youtube of the demo yesterday

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63YbCKnwRpA
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Postby NANNY RED » Sun Feb 03, 2008 3:02 pm

If Hicks doesnt understand what this club means to us he should take alook at this, the words of this fella brought a tear to my eye.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTfpn_xsKhE
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Postby tubby » Sun Feb 03, 2008 3:12 pm

These are business folk Nanny, they dont have time for sentiment. We all would have assumed that they would have been shown things like this when they first took over the club but they didnt. I dont expect them to now.
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Postby Aaron » Sun Feb 03, 2008 3:40 pm

NOTW today also said that Benitez has to persuade "owners in waiting DIC" to give him another season and there will be a major clearout. Players named:

Alonso
Crouch
Finnan
Kewell
Itandje
Kuyt
Riise
Aurelio
Hyypia
Voronin

Interesting list to say the least. I'd remove Crouch and Alonso and I agree with the rest.
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Postby tubby » Sun Feb 03, 2008 3:57 pm

There are no "owners in waiting". I cant believe people are still clinging onto any story from a :censored: newspaper in the hope we will be bought out by DIC. If they walked away when the bidding was around 150Mil why on earth would they try to bid now when the price will be 500Mil.
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Postby ruskiy playmaker » Sun Feb 03, 2008 3:58 pm

Aaron wrote:NOTW today also said that Benitez has to persuade "owners in waiting DIC" to give him another season and there will be a major clearout. Players named:

Alonso
Crouch
Finnan
Kewell
Itandje
Kuyt
Riise
Aurelio
Hyypia
Voronin

Interesting list to say the least. I'd remove Crouch and Alonso and I agree with the rest.

I've read that article and it's bullsh!te!  It's all based on a bunch of speculation and rumors over the year.  Although I do see 4 or 5 players leaving in the summer.
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Postby tubby » Sun Feb 03, 2008 4:02 pm

ruskiy playmaker wrote:
Aaron wrote:NOTW today also said that Benitez has to persuade "owners in waiting DIC" to give him another season and there will be a major clearout. Players named:

Alonso
Crouch
Finnan
Kewell
Itandje
Kuyt
Riise
Aurelio
Hyypia
Voronin

Interesting list to say the least. I'd remove Crouch and Alonso and I agree with the rest.

I've read that article and it's bullsh!te!  It's all based on a bunch of speculation and rumors over the year.  Although I do see 4 or 5 players leaving in the summer.

Exactly, its pure rubbish and is only designed to create more unrest amongst the fans which is what we dont need given we need to ensure CL qualification for next season.
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Postby Igor Zidane » Sun Feb 03, 2008 4:48 pm

bavlondon wrote:There are no "owners in waiting". I cant believe people are still clinging onto any story from a :censored: newspaper in the hope we will be bought out by DIC. If they walked away when the bidding was around 150Mil why on earth would they try to bid now when the price will be 500Mil.

I wouldn't be to sure about that one Bav.
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Postby redsince2001 » Sun Feb 03, 2008 4:57 pm

Ciggy wrote:The beautiful game doesn’t mean beautiful profits
by Andrew Neil on Sunday, 03 February 2008

When it comes to football, normal rules of business don't apply. You think with your heart, you do the sums with your feet and your make key decisions with your best pals over dinner.

So it is with huge surprise - and more than a little concern - that I see Dubai International Capital (DIC) is preparing another bid for Liverpool Football Club. By the time you read this column, the chances are DIC's US$500 million offer will have been accepted; one of the world's most famous clubs will be in Arab hands.

But I find this deal difficult to understand for several reasons. First, let's look at DIC's current investment strategy: it has major stakes in seven companies across the globe and in another seven private equity funds. According to its own website, DIC is "focused on acquisitions of market leading companies in Europe and North America, with a proven strategy and robust management".
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I could rest my case here: Liverpool FC is an iconic football team but "proven strategy and robust management" aren't words that quite go with it. The current owners paid US$340 million for the club last year; they took on US$87.7 million of debt; and soon agreed to the building of a new stadium. Now they have run out of cash and their total loans are approaching US$690 million. No wonder they need to get out in a hurry.

DIC can argue that Hicks and Gillett have made a mess of a fantastic brand and business; so stepping in makes perfect sense. They will point out that the boss of DIC, Sameer Al Ansari, is a lifelong Liverpool fan. This is what concerns me most.

Let's look at other "lifelong fans": Mike Ashley has pumped US$500 million into Newcastle Football Club, with no sign of any return in the next five years; Sir Alan Sugar eventually had to let go of his beloved Tottenham Football Club; Mohammed Al Fayed of Harrods fames is out US$700 million and counting at Fulham Football Club.

Football, whichever way you look at it, is not a business in which you will make money quickly. Which is why I fear Ansari and Co will come unstuck.

Their current investments abroad have all so far been admirable and with a clear profit return path. Take one of the most recent, a US$1.2 billion stake in Alliance Medical, a company which specializes in providing outsourced diagnostic imaging such as MRI scans.

DIC can open up the huge Middle East market. Nothing wrong with that - after all, that's what DIC exits for: to get into businesses, turn them around and get out.

But Gillett and Hicks got into Liverpool, realized they couldn't turn it around and got out in a hurry: the demands of 40,000 fans every weekend, the national media, the cries for new players and a new stadium, proved too much and too expensive.

Sameer Al Ansari is about to experience all this first hand. Football fans taking over football clubs have historically been marriages made in hell. Ansari is a smart man - if anyone can break the mould, he can. But I wouldn't hold your breath.

Andrew Neil is the former editor of The Sunday Times and chief executive of BSkyB. He is currently chief executive of Press Holdings Media, chairman of ITP, chairman of World Media Rights and a presenter of This Week (BBC1) Daily Politics (BBC2) Straight Talk (BBC News24).
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this article looks real.........
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Postby ruskiy playmaker » Sun Feb 03, 2008 5:25 pm

Ciggy wrote:The beautiful game doesn’t mean beautiful profits
by Andrew Neil on Sunday, 03 February 2008

When it comes to football, normal rules of business don't apply. You think with your heart, you do the sums with your feet and your make key decisions with your best pals over dinner.

So it is with huge surprise - and more than a little concern - that I see Dubai International Capital (DIC) is preparing another bid for Liverpool Football Club. By the time you read this column, the chances are DIC's US$500 million offer will have been accepted; one of the world's most famous clubs will be in Arab hands.

But I find this deal difficult to understand for several reasons. First, let's look at DIC's current investment strategy: it has major stakes in seven companies across the globe and in another seven private equity funds. According to its own website, DIC is "focused on acquisitions of market leading companies in Europe and North America, with a proven strategy and robust management".
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I could rest my case here: Liverpool FC is an iconic football team but "proven strategy and robust management" aren't words that quite go with it. The current owners paid US$340 million for the club last year; they took on US$87.7 million of debt; and soon agreed to the building of a new stadium. Now they have run out of cash and their total loans are approaching US$690 million. No wonder they need to get out in a hurry.

DIC can argue that Hicks and Gillett have made a mess of a fantastic brand and business; so stepping in makes perfect sense. They will point out that the boss of DIC, Sameer Al Ansari, is a lifelong Liverpool fan. This is what concerns me most.

Let's look at other "lifelong fans": Mike Ashley has pumped US$500 million into Newcastle Football Club, with no sign of any return in the next five years; Sir Alan Sugar eventually had to let go of his beloved Tottenham Football Club; Mohammed Al Fayed of Harrods fames is out US$700 million and counting at Fulham Football Club.

Football, whichever way you look at it, is not a business in which you will make money quickly. Which is why I fear Ansari and Co will come unstuck.

Their current investments abroad have all so far been admirable and with a clear profit return path. Take one of the most recent, a US$1.2 billion stake in Alliance Medical, a company which specializes in providing outsourced diagnostic imaging such as MRI scans.

DIC can open up the huge Middle East market. Nothing wrong with that - after all, that's what DIC exits for: to get into businesses, turn them around and get out.

But Gillett and Hicks got into Liverpool, realized they couldn't turn it around and got out in a hurry: the demands of 40,000 fans every weekend, the national media, the cries for new players and a new stadium, proved too much and too expensive.

Sameer Al Ansari is about to experience all this first hand. Football fans taking over football clubs have historically been marriages made in hell. Ansari is a smart man - if anyone can break the mould, he can. But I wouldn't hold your breath.

Andrew Neil is the former editor of The Sunday Times and chief executive of BSkyB. He is currently chief executive of Press Holdings Media, chairman of ITP, chairman of World Media Rights and a presenter of This Week (BBC1) Daily Politics (BBC2) Straight Talk (BBC News24).
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Interesting article but the DIC have the best business men around.  They are miles ahead of the Newcastle and Tottenham owners in all areas.  You just have to look at what they have accomplished in Dubai, it's truly amazing.
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Postby Aaron » Sun Feb 03, 2008 6:11 pm

bavlondon wrote:
ruskiy playmaker wrote:
Aaron wrote:NOTW today also said that Benitez has to persuade "owners in waiting DIC" to give him another season and there will be a major clearout. Players named:

Alonso
Crouch
Finnan
Kewell
Itandje
Kuyt
Riise
Aurelio
Hyypia
Voronin

Interesting list to say the least. I'd remove Crouch and Alonso and I agree with the rest.

I've read that article and it's bullsh!te!  It's all based on a bunch of speculation and rumors over the year.  Although I do see 4 or 5 players leaving in the summer.

Exactly, its pure rubbish and is only designed to create more unrest amongst the fans which is what we dont need given we need to ensure CL qualification for next season.

Even though he has come in for a lot of stick for where he went, I dont think Chris Bascombe would write :censored: to unrest the fans, i'm not saying what he says is gospel but i'd imagine he is pretty more informed than alot of opinion that comes from here
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Postby redmikey » Sun Feb 03, 2008 6:41 pm

fair doo s ciggy you were bang on the money about event that are unraveling at the club last week when you said they would announce the stadium then sell, anything has to be an improvement on these cowboys, i am just gutted that we have had to be dragged through the gutter press for everyone entertainment

dic are in business of buying the best or having the best as far as i can ascertain, so this should(should ) be a step foward, and also i can't see the sheik gobbing of to the press every five minutes
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Postby The Manhattan Project » Sun Feb 03, 2008 7:48 pm

NOTW today also said that Benitez has to persuade "owners in waiting DIC" to give him another season and there will be a major clearout. Players named:

Alonso
Crouch
Finnan
Kewell
Itandje
Kuyt
Riise
Aurelio
Hyypia
Voronin

Interesting list to say the least. I'd remove Crouch and Alonso and I agree with the rest.


I'd take out Itandje too.

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