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Postby nobybob » Tue Jan 29, 2008 11:57 pm

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It's not just about persevering through this, the fact is that the interest on the loan is gonna eat up most of the profits the club makes. That before we've even begun to pay off the the loan - all £350 million of it. Where is the club gonna find that kind of money from whilst still remaining competitive on the pitch. In a word it won't. This debt is basically the club paying for the honour of being taken over by these two numpties.
The club would have been in a much healthier position had David Moores just gone to the banks cap in hand and said, 'I'd like a loan for £350 million to build a new stadium for my football club'. Instead we've got these two who've gone to the banks last year and said, 'we want to take over Liverpool FC can we have a couple of hundred million to buy all the shares. The time has come for that loan to be paid back and now H&G have gone back to the banks and said, 'OK we don't wanna pay for that loan out of our own assets so can we have an even bigger loan to cover last years and to cover all of the wasted admin work we've had done for a new stadium'. By the way the club is gonna pay for all of this, if they can't pay some we agree that we'll cover some of it but otherwise the clubs the one you go to for the dosh'.
This could very well send us down the Leeds Utd road and we aren't even getting a stadium out of this current debt. These two are basically gambling with LFC's future just to cover their take over.


great points lad you hit the nail on the head here.
As i understand it Moore's sold cos he didn't have the money the club needed for investment , stadium , players ,etc but did not wish to put the club into any more debt than the 60mil it was in at the time. But suppose he had gone and got us into say just the amount of debt we have now under G&H 350mil how would we stand? Well first we have to pay the existing 60mil off that leaves 290mil enough for a real good start on a world class stadium and still plenty of cash for Rafa to be able to compete for the quality players which are sadly beyond our means now.
HMMMMM let me balance this up (1) G&H with loan and no cash for what we need or-----------(2) Moore's and loan leaving plenty of cash for what we need.
some here defend G&H methods saying its the modern era most clubs get hocked up to get the cash to be successful (e.g MANURE) well OK but if we had to be hocked up to our eyeballs then it should have beeen number (2)
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Postby ste123lfc » Wed Jan 30, 2008 12:03 am

I wish we had been [/U]DIC[U]ked instead of been DICKED
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Postby Rush Job » Wed Jan 30, 2008 1:16 am

NANNY RED wrote:And theres some people at the games now going on about us singin this sayin theres a time and a placeand we should be supporting the team, well im afraid them people need to sit up and smell the roses cause if this :censored: Hicks stays in charge of our club then come in the not so distant future we might not have a team to support,

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Tell me about it nan, i cant believe we cant be 100% united agaist the tyrants. Shows who really care's about the clubs future as well as the present IMO!
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Postby The Manhattan Project » Wed Jan 30, 2008 2:43 am

Hicks can leave after he's done paying back the banks for the cost of the new stadium.
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Postby Ciggy » Wed Jan 30, 2008 8:45 am

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UAE. Dubai International Capital (DIC) is believed to be pressing ahead with an attempt to prise Liverpool Football Club out of American hands despite a £350 million (US$700 million) refinancing deal struck late last week.

DIC is understood to have engaged advisers including the City of London law firm Freshfields Bruckhaus Deringer to assist it in the pursuit of Liverpool. Insiders said this weekend that officials from the Gulf state's investment vehicle had met with Tom Hicks and George Gillett, the joint-shareholders in Kop Football Holdings as recently as Friday.

Despite continued denials from Hicks and Gillett that they have any plans to sell the club, sources close to DIC said the investment group had continued to receive encouragement to make an offer for the club.

The intrigue surrounding the Americans' ownership of Liverpool reached fever pitch last week with the finalisation of a refinancing package that should enable Liverpool to leave its Anfield home - where it beat Havant & Waterlooville in the FA Cup yesterday - and move to a new 71,000-seat stadium in Stanley Park.

It is understood that the latest refinancing, struck with lenders including Royal Bank of Scotland, may need to be replaced with a further package within the next 18 months.

DIC declined to comment, while spokesmen for Hicks and Gillett could not be reached today.
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Postby NANNY RED » Wed Jan 30, 2008 9:40 am

Ciggy wrote:Despite continued denials from Hicks and Gillett that they have any plans to sell the club, sources close to DIC said the investment group had continued to receive encouragement to make an offer for the club.

That must be the beggin letters that we keep sendin cigg :D

God i really hope this is true and the pull it off
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Postby Ciggy » Wed Jan 30, 2008 9:48 am

:oops: Fuckinell no wonder they dont want to sell us.

Premiership in new £625m TV deal 

Players like Wayne Rooney boost overseas viewing figures
The winner of football's Premiership will net £50m from next season after the league agreed a new £625m deal for overseas television rights.
The extra income from the deal means even the team finishing bottom will claim about £26m. Current title holders Chelsea won £30m last season.

The money adds to income from domestic broadcast and internet contracts.

"This deal really does take us on to another level," said Premier League chief executive Richard Scudamore.

Overseas appeal

The new contract covers coverage of the 2007/8, 2008/9 and 2009/10 seasons in 208 countries worldwide.

  We have a cosmopolitan approach to players and a cosmopolitan approach to ownership and that is paying off

Richard Scudamore
Premier League chief executive


English clubs in Euro cash fear 

The £625m raised is double that from existing overseas television deals and takes the Premiership's earnings from media rights over the three seasons to more than £2.7bn.

Mr Scudamore said the largest increase in payments for rights had been in the Middle East and in Asia, with the battle to show live games particularly fierce in Hong Kong.

"We have a cosmopolitan approach to players and a cosmopolitan approach to ownership and that is paying off," he said.

"No territories have gone down but in some cases the rights have ended up being sold for three or four times the current amount."

Rights divided

BSkyB and Setanta are sharing the domestic television rights for Premiership matches from next season.

The rivals were successful bidders in an auction to show top-flight games, beginning in the 2007/8 season.

The domestic TV rights auction generated £1.7bn ($3.1bn) for the Premier League, with BSkyB paying £1.3bn for its four packages of games and Setanta £392m for its two.

  The gap between the Premiership and the Championship may become wider

Richard Hunter, Hargreaves Lansdown Stockbrokers

Setanta broke Sky's monopoly and has rights to 46 live matches a season, while BSkyB has won the rights to 92 live matches, including the "A" package of games on late Sunday afternoons.

The Premiership's appeal overseas has gone from strength to strength, thanks to high-profile players and the league's reputation for excitement.

"By focusing on the quality of the game, their players and their grounds, the clubs have produced a competition that people want to watch - both at matches and at home," added Mr Scudamore.

"That is the basis of our commercial success and I am confident that we will continue to invest in the best players and facilities to keep the Premier League where it is today - the most watched domestic football competition in the world."
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Postby Ciggy » Wed Jan 30, 2008 10:15 am

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Postby heimdall » Wed Jan 30, 2008 10:50 am

Ciggy wrote: :oops: Fuckinell no wonder they dont want to sell us.

Premiership in new £625m TV deal 

Players like Wayne Rooney boost overseas viewing figures
The winner of football's Premiership will net £50m from next season after the league agreed a new £625m deal for overseas television rights.
The extra income from the deal means even the team finishing bottom will claim about £26m. Current title holders Chelsea won £30m last season.

The money adds to income from domestic broadcast and internet contracts.

"This deal really does take us on to another level," said Premier League chief executive Richard Scudamore.

Overseas appeal

The new contract covers coverage of the 2007/8, 2008/9 and 2009/10 seasons in 208 countries worldwide.

  We have a cosmopolitan approach to players and a cosmopolitan approach to ownership and that is paying off

Richard Scudamore
Premier League chief executive


English clubs in Euro cash fear 

The £625m raised is double that from existing overseas television deals and takes the Premiership's earnings from media rights over the three seasons to more than £2.7bn.

Mr Scudamore said the largest increase in payments for rights had been in the Middle East and in Asia, with the battle to show live games particularly fierce in Hong Kong.

"We have a cosmopolitan approach to players and a cosmopolitan approach to ownership and that is paying off," he said.

"No territories have gone down but in some cases the rights have ended up being sold for three or four times the current amount."

Rights divided

BSkyB and Setanta are sharing the domestic television rights for Premiership matches from next season.

The rivals were successful bidders in an auction to show top-flight games, beginning in the 2007/8 season.

The domestic TV rights auction generated £1.7bn ($3.1bn) for the Premier League, with BSkyB paying £1.3bn for its four packages of games and Setanta £392m for its two.

  The gap between the Premiership and the Championship may become wider

Richard Hunter, Hargreaves Lansdown Stockbrokers

Setanta broke Sky's monopoly and has rights to 46 live matches a season, while BSkyB has won the rights to 92 live matches, including the "A" package of games on late Sunday afternoons.

The Premiership's appeal overseas has gone from strength to strength, thanks to high-profile players and the league's reputation for excitement.

"By focusing on the quality of the game, their players and their grounds, the clubs have produced a competition that people want to watch - both at matches and at home," added Mr Scudamore.

"That is the basis of our commercial success and I am confident that we will continue to invest in the best players and facilities to keep the Premier League where it is today - the most watched domestic football competition in the world."

Well in that case we are ok then as we'll get a guaranteed at least £26 million every year just from playing in the premiership, no wonder all the yanks are buying clubs in the Prem if they are this profitable!!
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Postby account deleted by request » Wed Jan 30, 2008 10:59 am

heimdall wrote:Well in that case we are ok then as we'll get a guaranteed at least £26 million every year just from playing in the premiership, no wonder all the yanks are buying clubs in the Prem if they are this profitable!!

Unfortunately no mate. What it means is that it will become even harder to secure a top 4 place as the money difference between the clubs narrows. Transfer fees will go up as more money floods the market and it will become harder to rob the poorer clubs of their star players as they wont have the same need to sell. In fact for a few years we will be one of the poorer clubs as our money is used to service the debt while other clubs flush with money can strengthen their teams and make a real assault on the top 4 positions.
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Postby RedBlood » Wed Jan 30, 2008 11:02 am

its hicks & parry we need 2 get out id have no problem with gillet & dic bein joint owners
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Postby account deleted by request » Wed Jan 30, 2008 12:02 pm

Liverpool will pay £30m a year interestJan 29 2008
by Tony Barrett, Liverpool Echo

LIVERPOOL Football Club will have to come up with around £30m a year to pay the interest on loans taken out by its American owners.

In an astonishing announcement that confirms the worst fears of many Reds fans, a spokesman for Tom Hicks admitted for the first time that the club will be responsible for servicing the £350m loan package.

The loan taken out with the Royal Bank of Scotland and Wachovia was divided in two. with £105m being loaded onto the club’s book, and the remaining £245m going on to

the books of Kop Holdings, the parent company set up by Hicks and George Gillett when they bought Liverpool last February.

But today’s bombshell news that it is the club, and not Hicks and Gillett, which will have to meet interest payments on both sections of the loan will put huge financial pressure on Liverpool to qualify for the lucrative Champions League every season.


A spokesman from Financial Dynamics, the City PR company representing Hicks, said: “The holding company debt is supported by the assets it acquired and should there ever be any shortfall in cash flow at the club or anywhere else in Kop in any given year, Kop’s ownership, under the terms of the financing package, is prepared to fund whatever is required.


“The debt is being handled exactly as it is handled at the vast majority of professional sports teams.”


John Mackin, of fans group Reclaim The Kop, admitted he now feared for the future of the club if Hicks and Gillett remain as owners.


He said: “We are looking at a level of debt, or the interest payments at the very least, which could sink the club if we have a couple of bad seasons.


“I’m just hoping that this admission by Hicks is part of an exit strategy which would allow him to sell the club because of the outrage this announcement will cause.


“A meeting has been called for Liverpool fans at the Sandon pub on Thursday night, and I’ve got no doubt that these interest payments will be one of the main talking points.”


Anfield sources today indicated that Liverpool chief executive Rick Parry and life president David Moores would continue their opposition to the club having to make any interest payments on the acquisition debt.


But such opposition could ultimately lead to the pair being removed from the club’s board.
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Postby account deleted by request » Wed Jan 30, 2008 12:15 pm

American businessman Robert Kraft admits he has not ruled out a possible takeover of Liverpool.

Kraft owns American football side New England Patriots and Major League Soccer outfit New England Revolution.

And Kraft - who is founder, chairman and chief executive of the Kraft Group - was strongly linked with a bid to buy the Reds before the Merseyside club was taken over by fellow Americans George Gillett and Tom Hicks for £470million in 2007.

However, Gillett and Hicks are rumoured to be unsettled on Merseyside following Liverpool's lacklustre form and a much publicised bust-up with manager Rafa Benitez regarding the club's January transfer policy.

Dubai International Capital are thought to remain interested in a bid to buy out Gillett and Hicks, after withdrawing from the race to own the Reds last year, and Kraft has now hinted that he could also consider a takeover at Anfield.


"We haven't ruled it out completely," Kraft told Sky Sports News.


"But I'm worried a little bit. I want to be able to win whatever we do. But there are no rules in terms of spending on players.


"We would never want to be in a business where we couldn't compete and right now some of the structure doesn't allow you to compete on a level playing field."



And Kraft admits he has met with David Moores, who was Liverpool chairman before selling his stake to Gillett and Hicks and is now a director at Anfield, in the past.


"I spent a lot of time with Mr Moores and his group in Liverpool and we know something about building an opportunity," Kraft added.


"The fan base in Liverpool is a lot like the fan base of the Patriots when we bought them.


"They are dedicated fans if you give them a quality product and they know you are doing their best to win."

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Postby Ciggy » Wed Jan 30, 2008 1:29 pm

A NEW group is preparing a plan to buy out Liverpool FC's US owners.It is understood the group comprises high-profile LFC fans, legal experts and people in senior public positions.They are believed to be proposing a Continental-style model where fans own a huge stake in major clubs.The ECHO understands the group plans to raise £500m to buy the club AND finance a new stadium.

Thats Tarby & Cilla on board then :D

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Postby puroresu » Wed Jan 30, 2008 1:40 pm

s@int wrote:American businessman Robert Kraft admits he has not ruled out a possible takeover of Liverpool.

Kraft owns American football side New England Patriots and Major League Soccer outfit New England Revolution.

And Kraft - who is founder, chairman and chief executive of the Kraft Group - was strongly linked with a bid to buy the Reds before the Merseyside club was taken over by fellow Americans George Gillett and Tom Hicks for £470million in 2007.

However, Gillett and Hicks are rumoured to be unsettled on Merseyside following Liverpool's lacklustre form and a much publicised bust-up with manager Rafa Benitez regarding the club's January transfer policy.

Dubai International Capital are thought to remain interested in a bid to buy out Gillett and Hicks, after withdrawing from the race to own the Reds last year, and Kraft has now hinted that he could also consider a takeover at Anfield.


"We haven't ruled it out completely," Kraft told Sky Sports News.


"But I'm worried a little bit. I want to be able to win whatever we do. But there are no rules in terms of spending on players.


"We would never want to be in a business where we couldn't compete and right now some of the structure doesn't allow you to compete on a level playing field."



And Kraft admits he has met with David Moores, who was Liverpool chairman before selling his stake to Gillett and Hicks and is now a director at Anfield, in the past.


"I spent a lot of time with Mr Moores and his group in Liverpool and we know something about building an opportunity," Kraft added.


"The fan base in Liverpool is a lot like the fan base of the Patriots when we bought them.


"They are dedicated fans if you give them a quality product and they know you are doing their best to win."

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cant doubt this guy's credentials.  New England are awesome in the NFL.  Another Super bowl coming there way on sunday.  Brady - LEGEND!!!
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