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Postby Emerald Red » Thu Jan 24, 2008 1:24 pm

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Big Niall wrote:For me, the owner issue is purely about whether they have the money - I don't care if they sack RAfa,owners are entitled to sack underperforming manager.

It is crucial though that this great club is not bogged down in debt that it can barely finance. How successful has LFC been in growing "the brand" worldwide in the last few years?

Apparantly Manure have done this well with the glazers and the owners of LFC need to be able to do the same. The long term issues are

(1) debt
(2) brand
(3) stadium





And if you dont care if they sack Rafa...who would you in your wisdom suggest to replace him....Let me guess??
Jose? O'Neill?.......dont make me laugh!

This is what I love about all those who want Rafa sacked. They always fail to give an opinion as to who it is would be better to replace him. It's either they don't have the football knowledge to do so, or they are just following the blind flock of sheep that ends up falling off a cliff. They do my head in.
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Postby Number 9 » Thu Jan 24, 2008 1:27 pm

Emerald Red wrote:
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Big Niall wrote:For me, the owner issue is purely about whether they have the money - I don't care if they sack RAfa,owners are entitled to sack underperforming manager.

It is crucial though that this great club is not bogged down in debt that it can barely finance. How successful has LFC been in growing "the brand" worldwide in the last few years?

Apparantly Manure have done this well with the glazers and the owners of LFC need to be able to do the same. The long term issues are

(1) debt
(2) brand
(3) stadium





And if you dont care if they sack Rafa...who would you in your wisdom suggest to replace him....Let me guess??
Jose? O'Neill?.......dont make me laugh!

This is what I love about all those who want Rafa sacked. They always fail to give an opinion as to who it is would be better to replace him. It's either they don't have the football knowledge to do so, or they are just following the blind flock of sheep that ends up falling off a cliff. They do my head in.

Exactly the point i was trying to highlight to Big Niall mate!

How many teams this season have sacked a manager in the EPL and how many are any better off for it?

Apart from Ramos at Spurs i struggle to think of anyone!
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Postby Emerald Red » Thu Jan 24, 2008 1:30 pm

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ruskiy playmaker wrote:I can't stand these two b@stards but maybe they will not be so tight financially as some may think.  I mean you don't hold talks with someone like Klinsmann if you're not planning on spending a lot of money on transfers.  I think that this summer the owners may surprise us with some quality players if they decide to keep Rafa.

I think they do probably have more money for the team but like some owners will only get that money out when they get there own man in.  Keegan for instance will get serious funds at Newcastle as this is the owners guy.

So dirty Sam before him wasn't the owner's "guy"? I seem to recall that he was for a bit. Oh dear!

News flash: WE ARE NOT FUCKING NEWCASTLE UNITED!

Though we do seem to want to be going down that path these days going by the opinions of some of our fans and the owners.
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Postby puroresu » Thu Jan 24, 2008 1:31 pm

At the end of the season that gives the club plenty time to find a new Manager.  For now King Kenny for 6 months and then a new guy
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Postby Ola Mr Benitez » Thu Jan 24, 2008 1:46 pm

Stick with Rafa but put Kenny Daldlish as his No 2.  Someone that rafa may take abit of notice of, who understands the tradiotions of our club...

Could work!!  Couldn't it??
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Postby ruskiy playmaker » Thu Jan 24, 2008 2:11 pm

Ola Mr Benitez wrote:Stick with Rafa but put Kenny Daldlish as his No 2.  Someone that rafa may take abit of notice of, who understands the tradiotions of our club...

Could work!!  Couldn't it??

That would be great!  Not sure if King Kenny would want to get involved in this mess though.
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Postby RUSHIE#9 » Thu Jan 24, 2008 3:00 pm

Ola Mr Benitez wrote:Stick with Rafa but put Kenny Daldlish as his No 2.  Someone that rafa may take abit of notice of, who understands the tradiotions of our club...

Could work!!  Couldn't it??

If Rafa still struggles to understand Carra the he ain't got a fuckin chance of understanding Kenny!  :D
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Postby heimdall » Thu Jan 24, 2008 3:09 pm

Emerald Red wrote:
Number 9 wrote:
Big Niall wrote:For me, the owner issue is purely about whether they have the money - I don't care if they sack RAfa,owners are entitled to sack underperforming manager.

It is crucial though that this great club is not bogged down in debt that it can barely finance. How successful has LFC been in growing "the brand" worldwide in the last few years?

Apparantly Manure have done this well with the glazers and the owners of LFC need to be able to do the same. The long term issues are

(1) debt
(2) brand
(3) stadium





And if you dont care if they sack Rafa...who would you in your wisdom suggest to replace him....Let me guess??
Jose? O'Neill?.......dont make me laugh!

This is what I love about all those who want Rafa sacked. They always fail to give an opinion as to who it is would be better to replace him. It's either they don't have the football knowledge to do so, or they are just following the blind flock of sheep that ends up falling off a cliff. They do my head in.

Oh for f*&k's sake how many times do I need to repeat myself on this. I think pretty much any of the top managers in the premier league or other top leagues would be a better option for us. I think Rafa has lost the confidence of the players and owners, yes also DIC when they come in., and more and more I think he is loosing the confidence of the fans, it's just that everyone feels sorry for him at the moment. tell me how will your opinion be after DIC take over and we still draw at home??
He has had enough money and enough time and apart from a fantastic Chamipons league victory hasn't shown anything in the league.
The reason I don't give specific names is because I have no idea who is available, but yes I think Jose would be a much better manager although I don't like him very much, the thing is that at the moment I don't like Rafa very much either as a manager.
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Postby Number 9 » Thu Jan 24, 2008 3:25 pm

heimdall wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
Number 9 wrote:
Big Niall wrote:For me, the owner issue is purely about whether they have the money - I don't care if they sack RAfa,owners are entitled to sack underperforming manager.

It is crucial though that this great club is not bogged down in debt that it can barely finance. How successful has LFC been in growing "the brand" worldwide in the last few years?

Apparantly Manure have done this well with the glazers and the owners of LFC need to be able to do the same. The long term issues are

(1) debt
(2) brand
(3) stadium





And if you dont care if they sack Rafa...who would you in your wisdom suggest to replace him....Let me guess??
Jose? O'Neill?.......dont make me laugh!

This is what I love about all those who want Rafa sacked. They always fail to give an opinion as to who it is would be better to replace him. It's either they don't have the football knowledge to do so, or they are just following the blind flock of sheep that ends up falling off a cliff. They do my head in.

Oh for f*&k's sake how many times do I need to repeat myself on this. I think pretty much any of the top managers in the premier league or other top leagues would be a better option for us. I think Rafa has lost the confidence of the players and owners, yes also DIC when they come in., and more and more I think he is loosing the confidence of the fans, it's just that everyone feels sorry for him at the moment. tell me how will your opinion be after DIC take over and we still draw at home??
He has had enough money and enough time and apart from a fantastic Chamipons league victory hasn't shown anything in the league.
The reason I don't give specific names is because I have no idea who is available, but yes I think Jose would be a much better manager although I don't like him very much, the thing is that at the moment I don't like Rafa very much either as a manager.

Well until you can come up with a name and give some reasons as to why he would be better than Rafa you are not really forming a valid arguement!

You just want Rafa out..that is your right.But who and why do you want to replace him and how will this benifit LFC now and in the longterm future?

Its OK saying sack Rafa and crying like a baby in every post you make,but basically what you want is Rafa sacked with no thought of the consequences...You are more or less saying you dont care if we are managerless as long as Rafa goes...All you want is Rafa out.

Its a lot more complex than that,you need to look down the line a bit...if he goes there would be a chance that some of the players he signed especially the Spaniards would go to,maybe with him!Perhaps Reina,Alolnso,Torres?You could be damn sure if he went to a big club with the money power he could buy them out of contract if that was his wish!

It hardly matters what i say to you anyway as you strike me from reading your posts as one of the most negative 'supporters' on here.

Its pretty fair to say that if Rafa was sacked tonight you would would be back on here tomorrow crying about something else in the same obsessive way.
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Postby stmichael » Thu Jan 24, 2008 3:27 pm

rafa out. curbishley in. :D

if you wind back the clock, some people on here seriously wanted him or o'neill to take over before rafa got the job. :laugh:
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Postby HantsRed » Thu Jan 24, 2008 3:30 pm

heimdall wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
Number 9 wrote:
Big Niall wrote:For me, the owner issue is purely about whether they have the money - I don't care if they sack RAfa,owners are entitled to sack underperforming manager.

It is crucial though that this great club is not bogged down in debt that it can barely finance. How successful has LFC been in growing "the brand" worldwide in the last few years?

Apparantly Manure have done this well with the glazers and the owners of LFC need to be able to do the same. The long term issues are

(1) debt
(2) brand
(3) stadium





And if you dont care if they sack Rafa...who would you in your wisdom suggest to replace him....Let me guess??
Jose? O'Neill?.......dont make me laugh!

This is what I love about all those who want Rafa sacked. They always fail to give an opinion as to who it is would be better to replace him. It's either they don't have the football knowledge to do so, or they are just following the blind flock of sheep that ends up falling off a cliff. They do my head in.

Oh for f*&k's sake how many times do I need to repeat myself on this. I think pretty much any of the top managers in the premier league or other top leagues would be a better option for us. I think Rafa has lost the confidence of the players and owners, yes also DIC when they come in., and more and more I think he is loosing the confidence of the fans, it's just that everyone feels sorry for him at the moment. tell me how will your opinion be after DIC take over and we still draw at home??
He has had enough money and enough time and apart from a fantastic Chamipons league victory hasn't shown anything in the league.
The reason I don't give specific names is because I have no idea who is available, but yes I think Jose would be a much better manager although I don't like him very much, the thing is that at the moment I don't like Rafa very much either as a manager.

If you have "no idea who is available" (and, not to mention, willing) to take the job, how can you be so adamant that Rafa's replacement would do a better job? ???
Don't go comparing him to Ferguson or Wenger because they are not options!

Or do you really think that any old coach could come in and do better than Rafa? - I certainly don't. Especially when you consider they would almost certainly have to start rebuilding the team from scratch.
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Postby Paul C » Thu Jan 24, 2008 3:31 pm

stmichael wrote:if you wind back the clock, some people on here seriously wanted him or o'neill to take over before rafa got the job. :laugh:

I know, I still don't rate the guy  :no
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Postby ruskiy playmaker » Thu Jan 24, 2008 3:41 pm

heimdall is a hardcore Anti-Rafa supporter.  There is no use trying to prove him wrong, only Rafa can do that by winning the league.
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Postby hello_red » Thu Jan 24, 2008 4:17 pm

ruskiy playmaker wrote:heimdall is a hardcore Anti-Rafa supporter.  There is no use trying to prove him wrong, only Rafa can do that by winning the league.

And then 'we are not cutting the mustard in europe, Rafa out'

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Postby LegBarnes » Thu Jan 24, 2008 4:24 pm

HantsRed wrote:
heimdall wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
Number 9 wrote:
Big Niall wrote:For me, the owner issue is purely about whether they have the money - I don't care if they sack RAfa,owners are entitled to sack underperforming manager.

It is crucial though that this great club is not bogged down in debt that it can barely finance. How successful has LFC been in growing "the brand" worldwide in the last few years?

Apparantly Manure have done this well with the glazers and the owners of LFC need to be able to do the same. The long term issues are

(1) debt
(2) brand
(3) stadium





And if you dont care if they sack Rafa...who would you in your wisdom suggest to replace him....Let me guess??
Jose? O'Neill?.......dont make me laugh!

This is what I love about all those who want Rafa sacked. They always fail to give an opinion as to who it is would be better to replace him. It's either they don't have the football knowledge to do so, or they are just following the blind flock of sheep that ends up falling off a cliff. They do my head in.

Oh for f*&k's sake how many times do I need to repeat myself on this. I think pretty much any of the top managers in the premier league or other top leagues would be a better option for us. I think Rafa has lost the confidence of the players and owners, yes also DIC when they come in., and more and more I think he is loosing the confidence of the fans, it's just that everyone feels sorry for him at the moment. tell me how will your opinion be after DIC take over and we still draw at home??
He has had enough money and enough time and apart from a fantastic Chamipons league victory hasn't shown anything in the league.
The reason I don't give specific names is because I have no idea who is available, but yes I think Jose would be a much better manager although I don't like him very much, the thing is that at the moment I don't like Rafa very much either as a manager.

If you have "no idea who is available" (and, not to mention, willing) to take the job, how can you be so adamant that Rafa's replacement would do a better job? ???
Don't go comparing him to Ferguson or Wenger because they are not options!

Or do you really think that any old coach could come in and do better than Rafa? - I certainly don't. Especially when you consider they would almost certainly have to start rebuilding the team from scratch.

rebuilding the team from scratch that meens you think all rafas buy's are total sh!t ?

Thus you defend him i think you miss the point of your own argument.

I like rafa by the way just seems you got some twisted logic.

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