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by **bigmick** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 5:10 pm

Though his stats are by all accounts good, I have yet to see Trezuguet have a good game. His performances for Juventus in the Champions League against English clubs and in the World Cup were pretty insipid for me. Similarly, Kuyt was unimpressive but the manager has been on his trail for over a season now. Unlike our previous manager, you can at least be safe in the knowledge that his admiration of the player has been backed up by meticulous research with every detail examined under the scope.
He didn't look like much in germany but better players than he will ever be were similarly unimpressive. We need four strikers it's as simple as that really. IMHO you can't count Pongolle who isn't going to be good enough or the greek fella or the kid who scored the other day. The manager believes Kuyt is the final piece in the jigsaw this summer, it's good enough for me.

by **Bad Bob** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 6:17 pm

bigmick wrote:Similarly, Kuyt was unimpressive but the manager has been on his trail for over a season now. Unlike our previous manager, you can at least be safe in the knowledge that his admiration of the player has been backed up by meticulous research with every detail examined under the scope.

Too true, mate...

This time last year people were pulling their hair out that Rafa was thinking of spending 7million quid on Peter Crouch. How the feck is he good enough for Liverpool let alone worth that kind of money?, people asked. Well, I think most would agree that that's been a pretty shrewd piece of business on Rafa's part. Crouch isn't everyone's cup of tea but even his harshest critics must admit he has helped make us a better team over the course of the last season.

From what I've seen of Kuyt he's been fairly average but I've only seen him in 3 games whereas, as you say, Rafa's been scouting him for at least a year. Add to that the fact that Rafa knows a feck of a lot more about football than I do and I think I owe it to the man to give him the benefit of the doubt on this one.

Rafa's got a vision for the team and he knows exactly what he's looking for in terms of the final piece of the puzzle up front--if, to his mind, Kuyt's that piece then I'll back him 100%.

by **GOAT** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 6:19 pm

Bad Bob wrote:
bigmick wrote:Similarly, Kuyt was unimpressive but the manager has been on his trail for over a season now. Unlike our previous manager, you can at least be safe in the knowledge that his admiration of the player has been backed up by meticulous research with every detail examined under the scope.

Too true, mate...

This time last year people were pulling their hair out that Rafa was thinking of spending 7million quid on Peter Crouch. How the feck is he good enough for Liverpool let alone worth that kind of money?, people asked. Well, I think most would agree that that's been a pretty shrewd piece of business on Rafa's part. Crouch isn't everyone's cup of tea but even his harshest critics must admit he has helped make us a better team over the course of the last season.

From what I've seen of Kuyt he's been fairly average but I've only seen him in 3 games whereas, as you say, Rafa's been scouting him for at least a year. Add to that the fact that Rafa knows a feck of a lot more about football than I do and I think I owe it to the man to give him the benefit of the doubt on this one.

Rafa's got a vision for the team and he knows exactly what he's looking for in terms of the final piece of the puzzle up front--if, to his mind, Kuyt's that piece then I'll back him 100%.

Yeah thats exactly what i just wrote on the pennant thread, you just said it a lot better

by **metalhead** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 6:22 pm

Cool Hand Luke wrote:Why is Kuyt the next Kezman? Because he has a similar record to Kezman? But he also has a similar record to RVN? Could he not be the next RVN? His performances at the World Cup were disappointing, and so were RVNs, both played in a system that didn’t work and left the striker with too much work to do. All this comparison to Kezman is the biggest load of cr@p I have heard in my life, people are just assuming that because he has come from the Dutch league he will fail like Kezman, when in fact the Dutch league has provided so many top players for the Premiership, also remember that Kezman is Serbian so didn’t have the benefit of the “total football” upbringing that has helped Holland produce some of the most well rounded footballers the world has ever seen.

I think Kuyt is good player, he would do well in the Premiership, but I haven’t seen enough to be fully confident in paying 10 Mil.

couldn't put it better myself!

Spot on!

:bowdown

by **Lando_Griffin** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 2:27 am

aCe' wrote:On the other hand, you got trezeguet... topclass if not worldclass...proven record in the world's hardest league

Juan Sebastian Veron.

by **MilitiaRusher** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 3:06 am

Pasted from my post in another thread:

think its time to offload some of the players currently on our payroll. Seems like we have a surplus of left sided players with seemingly 3 vying for left wing (Riise, Gonzalez, Kewell), and as many as 4 vying for left back (Riise, Aurelio, Traore, Warnock). Of course, Diao leaving need not be mentioned and perhaps a few more going off on loan (Pongolle, Warnock/Traore, Anderson) will leave us with a perfectly trimmed squad.

Back to the Kuyt debate, I believe that he isn't as bad a player as some of you think. It's actually the matter of whether he is REALLY needed at the moment. We have currently as many as 6 players that can fulfill the forward roles (Bellamy, Crouch, Fowler, Pongolle, [Garcia], [Kewell]) and do you think we can afford to accomodate so many similarly skilled strikers in the same team while keeping morale up? Unless we experience another injury crisis, such as that suffered 2 seasons ago, I don't see why we should buy another striker for that matter. Like I said, we should be trimming the squad at the moment.

by **GOAT** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 3:41 am

I think we need another striker so we can have 4 main strikers that we can rotate- new striker, fowler, bellamy, crouch. The more depth the better, plus i cant see us having another season with hardly any injuries again

by **El Nino_#9** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 9:41 am

i wonder what will become of sinama pongolle?
i feel sorry for the lad, he hasn't had a real chance in the first team.
and if this new striker comes in (whether its kuyt ot whatever) then i cant see him staying.

by **flipmode** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 10:49 am

Feyenord have rubbished the rumours

by **flipmode** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 10:51 am

Feyenord have rubbished the rumours

by **Ace Ventura** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 11:01 am

aCe' wrote:hehe...mmm....what are you talking about ?! cisse came from the french league....thats another second rate league...and by the way...his stats down there were far more impressive than are kuyt's in holland ! and as for morientes.... he was sidelined in real for a year and a half or two, moved to france....by the time he came to liverpool, it had been 3 seasons since he last played in a 1st rate league as a firstteam player ! and yes i had rated morientes highly before he joined, but not as highly as i do trezeguet now...he's at the prime of his career and his stats in the past couple of seasons are as impressive as they get ! if juventus were'nt relegated, i think a bid of 30mill would hav been what it takes to lure him outta there !

I'm not one for stats because unless the players we are comparing are playing in the same league alongside the same players as each other, then its difficult to say how the others would of fared in similar circumstances, but as you keep bringing it up....

DIRK KUYT

98-99 FC Utrecht 28 matches, 5 goals
99-00 FC Utrecht 33 matches, 6 goals
00-01 FC Utrecht 32 matches, 13 goals
01-02 FC Utrecht 34 matches, 7 goals
02-03 FC Utrecht 34 matches, 20 goals
03-04 Feyenoord 34 matches, 20 goals
04-05 Feyenoord 34 matches, 29 goals
05-06 Feyenoord 33 matches, 22 goals

DJIBRIL CISSE

Club Performance Club Season Premiership FA Cup League Cup Europe Others Total
App Goals App Goals App Goals App Goals App Goals App Goals
Liverpool FC 2005-06 33 9 6 2 0 0 14 8 1 0 54 19
2004-05 16 4 0 0 0 0 9 1 0 0 25 5
Club Season Ligue 1 French Cup Ligue Cup Europe Others Total
App Goals App Goals App Goals App Goals App Goals App Goals
Auxerre 2003-04 38 26 3 1 4 1 7 2 0 0 52 30
2002-03 33 14 6 6 0 0 6 1 0 0 45 21
2001-02 29 22 0 0 2 2 0 0 0 0 31 24
2000-01 25 8 4 5 2 1 4 1 0 0 35 15
1999-00 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 0
1998-99 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0

DAVID TREZEGUET

2002: 28 starts (18 goals)
2003: 35 starts (28 goals)
2004: 23 starts (14 goals)
2005: 38 starts (30 goals)

So looking at those stats Trezeguet's are marginally better than Kuyt's but they are just stats, and its not like Trezeguet is miles ahead, i havent seen hardly anything of Kuyt but i would bet one of my b@llocks to say that he offers more in a game than the frenchman would. Trezeguet is a great goalscorer but he doesnt get involved in anything else and Rafa likes players that link with the midfield and work for the team, thats not Trezeguet's forte, but from what i have heard it is one of Kuyt's major strengths.

Tbh i wouldn't mind either of them signing, we still need another striker so both would boost our options considerably, i just think (based on what i've heard about Kuyts ability) that he is the player that would suit us more.

by **stmichael** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 12:00 pm

it has been claimed on another site that kuyt was spotted at manchester airport this morning.

jeez, i sound like welsh wizzard.

by **tubby** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 12:17 pm

Independent claiming were in talks and a deal could be close.

Capture of £10m Kuyt will complete Liverpool signings
By Jason Burt
Published: 27 July 2006

Liverpool were in talks last night to complete the £10m signing of the Dutch striker Dirk Kuyt. The player's agent, Rob Jansen, is understood to have travelled to meet the club's representatives after Rafael Benitez rekindled his interest in the Feyenoord captain.

The move for Kuyt by the Liverpool manager followed the completion of Jermaine Pennant's transfer from Birmingham City yesterday. The 23-year-old right-winger agreed a four-year deal for a fee of £6.7m, with £300,000 dependent on appearances.

by **red37** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 12:21 pm

here is the full article...

http://www.newsnow.co.uk/cgi/NGoto/152982062?-11194

by **LiverpoolMadman** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 3:23 am

bavlondon wrote:Independent claiming were in talks and a deal could be close.

Capture of £10m Kuyt will complete Liverpool signings
By Jason Burt
Published: 27 July 2006

Liverpool were in talks last night to complete the £10m signing of the Dutch striker Dirk Kuyt. The player's agent, Rob Jansen, is understood to have travelled to meet the club's representatives after Rafael Benitez rekindled his interest in the Feyenoord captain.

The move for Kuyt by the Liverpool manager followed the completion of Jermaine Pennant's transfer from Birmingham City yesterday. The 23-year-old right-winger agreed a four-year deal for a fee of £6.7m, with £300,000 dependent on appearances.

It's look Rafa will get Kuyt ... unless the toons come out something specials ...

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