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by **Kopite-Jud** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 12:04 am

if we did win what would we do ? Rooney suspended Owen gone home injured, we would have bin left with a kid who was never really going to be played and Peter Crouch. What would have we have done
we had no two matchfit striker.Every one was like woahhhhhhhhh Rooney held the ball up well woahhhhhhhh wow . When Crouch came on he held it up EVERY time and when lennon came on he was top class.He only plays Beckham because of his set pieces

has Sven Watched Gerrard and Lampards set pieces

It Just Baffels me

im glad to see the back of Sven but with steve mc claren in chare will things be much different from now ? because he has a big part to play in the teams Sven picks infact he looks like he does all the work now. All i ever see is Sven sat there at a match or stood there in training , with mc claren barking out the orders .When mc claren becomes manager things will be no different

by **Kopite-Jud** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 12:09 am

At least Gerrard , Crouch and Carragher will have a longer holidaythat they deserve :laugh:

ohh ye And Alonso and the rest :sleep

by **Red Soul** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 12:13 am

I've got nothing against Hargreaves, to be honest. I just don't think he played the role he was given to it's full effect. I don't blame the lad for bombing forward and trying to create something, but that's not what your holding midfielder is supposed to do. It's a very specialised role. Stevie G was knackered, true, but I think that's because he was forced to play box-to-box by Hargreaves' forward runs. I lost count of the amount of times that Stevie had to come and collect the ball from Ferdinand and Terry, because Hargreaves was further forward than he should have been. I wouldn't have been too aggrieved if Sven had dropped Lamptard and played Gerrard and Hargreaves together with two up front, but I just think Carrick's a better bet at holding midfielder because of his greater passing range.

Yeah, he may be praised in the Sunday tabloids, but I don't really give a freeze-dried f**k about their opinions. And when you start to judge a player's worth by a couple of decent World Cup games, you end up signing some spastic like El-Hadji Diouf.

Hargreaves was OK, nothing more. I honestly think that Lamptard has been the weak link in the England chain for this World Cup campaign. He's achieved nothing more than ballooning every promising chance he's had into the stands, and he's taking up a shirt that could be worn by someone with the ability to make a difference to the game. Lamptard has been nothing but a wasteful, unobservant, unmotivated, selfish passenger.

by **davo_LFC** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 12:16 am

With the right personel and back room staff, england might just make it past the half way line more than 10 times a game

Na i reckon things will b better under the ginger ninja but how much better i dont know, they will attack more at least, no one on this earth is more defensive than sven. He makes houllier look like wenger

If McClaren gets the likes of vennables in, people who actually have experience of the international stage then aybe england can progress...

by **Kopite-Jud** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 12:19 am

some reports say shearer will be the assistant manager

by **ivor_the_injun** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 12:31 am

Red Soul wrote:I've got nothing against Hargreaves, to be honest. I just don't think he played the role he was given to it's full effect. I don't blame the lad for bombing forward and trying to create something, but that's not what your holding midfielder is supposed to do. It's a very specialised role. Stevie G was knackered, true, but I think that's because he was forced to play box-to-box by Hargreaves' forward runs. I lost count of the amount of times that Stevie had to come and collect the ball from Ferdinand and Terry, because Hargreaves was further forward than he should have been. I wouldn't have been too aggrieved if Sven had dropped Lamptard and played Gerrard and Hargreaves together with two up front, but I just think Carrick's a better bet at holding midfielder because of his greater passing range.

Yeah, he may be praised in the Sunday tabloids, but I don't really give a freeze-dried f**k about their opinions. And when you start to judge a player's worth by a couple of decent World Cup games, you end up signing some spastic like El-Hadji Diouf.

Hargreaves was OK, nothing more. I honestly think that Lamptard has been the weak link in the England chain for this World Cup campaign. He's achieved nothing more than ballooning every promising chance he's had into the stands, and he's taking up a shirt that could be worn by someone with the ability to make a difference to the game. Lamptard has been nothing but a wasteful, unobservant, unmotivated, selfish passenger.

First half, I thought Hargreaves was suspect going forward, but excellent in defence. Second half he was much better, linking the play well and very disciplined in his positioning. Once Rooney went, it was all backs to the wall, and he acquitted himself astonishingly well in that situation.

I hear what you're saying about him bombing forward, but to be honest Lampard seemed to give up on attacking at some point, and apart from a couple of late bursts, Gerrard just wasn't at the races from about 80 minutes onwards.

The formation as a whole was utterly f*cked after Rooney's sending off (the space Figo, Ronaldo and Simao were getting, particuarly out wide, was almost unbelievable at times), and without the all-pitch harrying of Hargreaves and the hold up play of Crouch, we'd never have left our penalty area.

I'd like to see him started for a couple of games as the defensive midfield anchor, preferably in a 4 as opposed to a 5. I see your point about him not keeping to his role, but I'd argue that Lampard was as much to blame for that as he was (Sven even more so), and the red card basically rendered all previous tactics null and void. Having convinced me that he was a terrible footballer with nothing to offer at international level (based on his thankless subs appearances), I've now woken up to him as being an incredibly energetic and tenacious midfield talent. And after a drab World Cup for England, he could turn out to be a huge positive, if the new coach uses him properly.

by **Kopite-Jud** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 12:38 am

by **JC_81** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 1:18 am

Have to say that if England can take any positives from today's game, it's that Sven will never be picking the team again. The guy has no balls and no passion. I don't think the players even respected him, regardless of what they said in the press, in fact in the next few weeks I think you'll see a few of the players leaking stories of what they really think of Sven.

As for the game, what do you expect? Rooney - a support striker by trade - played as a lone striker? Didn't work v Ecuador so it was never going to work against a solid side like Portugal. Lampard and Beckham once again were passengers, should have been dropped about 3 games ago the pair of them. Carvalho made the most of Rooney's stamp, but them again you can't stamp on someone's ball bag on purpose (and it WAS on purpose) and stay on the field. Even Joe Cole and Gerrard who have been England's best players in this world cup, didn't perform for one reason or another.

In a nutshell, no fluidity and no leadership. But can England look forward to any better under Smiler Maclaren? Unfortunately I doubt it.

by **jeffiroquai** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 4:55 am

ivor_the_injun wrote:I've had people saying to me that "Lampard's had the most shots of anyone in the World Cup" as if that's justification for instant selection.

Lampard couldn't find his :censored:

with both hands the entire tournament. I'm sure that dumb Swede was counting on some of his vintage poaching the entire WC, but Lampard really failed England.

by **RedorDead** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 7:06 am

john craig wrote:Have to say that if England can take any positives from today's game, it's that Sven will never be picking the team again.

I was gutted to lose but after the dust settled I actually smiled knowing we would never be managed by that waste of space ever again. I have never seen a more over paid, under skilled manager in football at any level.
Wrong squad, wrong starting eleven, wrong formation, wrong tactics and no motivational skills what so ever......and EVERYONE who knows ANYTHING about football could see it but still he didn't do anything about it.....he is woefully inept as a manager and it pains me that he got paid what he did and that he'll probably command a huge salary wherever he ends up.

by **oakton** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 8:46 am

Is it just me or SGE doesn't seem to do anything during the game, seems like Maclaren does everything, he writes stuff, calling out to the players, whereas SGE just sits there like a spectator?

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