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devaney » Wed Oct 16, 2013 11:41 am wrote:I was at the game and I wouldn't say that SG did more or less than he needed to when playing for Liverpool. Lots of time in the second half when he sat back and did what he had to do. He played very well but he didn't bust a gut unlike Andros Townsend who certainly did and was MOTM for me. SG still has a lot of game to offer. It just has to be controlled. I can live with that. I certainly haven't joined the RBG camp just yet.

Maybe not ,but have your tent pegs ready regardless mate.

Ben Patrick » Wed Oct 16, 2013 12:24 pm wrote:I'd be resting him at times and bringing him off at times also. By 70 minutes on most games this season he has been shattered and for me Rodgers isnt
managing him as well as he could. I'd rather a fully fit and firing Steven for 2 thirds of the games than a tired Steven that plays 90 minutes week in week
out.

I've been saying this since the season started,we should be harnessing what little energy and enthusiasm he has left ,not shaking the bottle for 90 plus
till its fucking empty.

StuYesThatStu » Wed Oct 16, 2013 12:54 pm wrote:

LFC1990 » Tue Oct 15, 2013 7:42 pm wrote:Im saying that when you play a specific thype of opponent you need specific types of players.

The 11 best players wont always win you a match hence why Cardiff beat city.

Gerrards best position is in the lucas role thats why i opted him to play in our home games alongside Hendo.

Henderson in the past say 10 matches has been our best midfield.

Btw what are the 3 games Geerard has had that effect

Manchester United, Villa and Sunderland.

Sunderland he set two goals up, against the Mancs he was absolutely head and shoulders above the rest first half and Aston Villa he was also the best player on the pitch by a mile.

Lucas and Henderson have done what exactly?

You're going on about different sorts of players needed agaisnt other sides, well I'm sorry, but thats garbage. You play you best players. As for Gerrard's "questionable stamina" I've been watching very closely in his last couple of matches and I'm sorry but its complete nonsense. He's still got plenty to offer.

I understand Stu ,sometimes its hard to accept the inevitability of eventual decline ,but don't worry we can all stand still until you catch up son 

woof woof ! » Wed Oct 16, 2013 5:54 pm wrote:

supersub » Wed Oct 16, 2013 4:59 pm wrote: what some people have realised is, he is no longer the player who was heralded as a one man team, Captain Marvel

I think 99% of his fans realise he's no longer the player he was but he's still a top player.

Waning physical prowess aside. Given many of us have expressed concern about his recent mental attitude, "no celebration after scoring a pen the other week" and "not busting a gut for us"  etc, it'll be interesting to see if we'll get a "mentally" rejuvenated Gerrard for the rest of this season now that  pressures of captaining his country to World Cup qualification are out of the way .

I think its fair to say that Supersub and one or two others clearly have some sort of other agenda by slagging Gerrard off. Its clear for whatever reason Supersub hates the fact that the kop have sung about him and love the way has played over the years and tries to make a mockery out of calling him captain marvel or something else just as daft. The fact was, Steven was the real life Roy of the rovers. Deal with it.

Also, no-one in their right mind would claim he's still the same dynamic, lightening quick, all action world class monster of a player that he was at his peak. No-one is suggesting he's even half the player, but just because he's half the player he was certainly doesn't make him poor, because lets face it, he was probably three times as good as Lucas as Henderson put together.

But by the same token, no-one in their right mind would claim that Lucas and Henderson are better footballers than he is now. They aren't and never will be.

Steven Gerrard is a long way past his best. But he's still Liverpool and Englands best midfielder by an absolute mile.

If we can save his legs when we're a couple of goals up and rest him against very weak oppossition in cup games, I'm all for it. But if it came down to it, 10 minutes left at 0-0... I know who I'd rather have on the pitch out of Gerrard, Lucas and Henderson... and it certainly wouldn't be the younger players.

Gerrard just hasn't played that well this season. He has had the odd moments but they are fleeting at best.

He is still judged to previous standards which is prob unfair.

The problem for me is his movement seems to be suffering and just looks dead on his legs - even for England last night players were just ghosting past him and he couldn't recover.

On the ball the ability is still there. - power in the shot possibly not but can still pick a pass

But he needs others in the midfield with legs to help him - that's where Henderson comes into it - he has the stamina and legs to cover for the others.

Gerrard can't and shouldn't play 90 mins week in week out - and at some games we should be able to rest him or stick him on the bench.

Lucas for Brazil yesterday played that deep holding role very well and looks comfortable doing that for us.

I can say with a lot of confidence that there is no agenda towards Gerrard and certainly no hatred because his name is sung on the Kop or because he was a Roy of the Rovers for us - that's a truly laughable accusation

But it is clear to many that Gerrard isn't playing great for us and hasn't played that well this season for us .

RED BEERGOGGLES » Wed Oct 16, 2013 7:01 pm wrote:

Ben Patrick » Wed Oct 16, 2013 12:24 pm wrote:I'd be resting him at times and bringing him off at times also. By 70 minutes on most games this season he has been shattered and for me Rodgers isnt
managing him as well as he could. I'd rather a fully fit and firing Steven for 2 thirds of the games than a tired Steven that plays 90 minutes week in week
out.

I've been saying this since the season started,we should be harnessing what little energy and enthusiasm he has left ,not shaking the bottle for 90 plus
till its fucking empty.

Agreed. 

StuYesThatStu » Wed Oct 16, 2013 9:27 pm wrote:
I think its fair to say that Supersub and one or two others clearly have some sort of other agenda by slagging Gerrard off. Its clear for whatever reason Supersub hates the fact that the kop have sung about him and love the way has played over the years and tries to make a mockery out of calling him captain marvel or something else just as daft. The fact was, Steven was the real life Roy of the rovers. Deal with it.

Also, no-one in their right mind would claim he's still the same dynamic, lightening quick, all action world class monster of a player that he was at his peak. No-one is suggesting he's even half the player, but just because he's half the player he was certainly doesn't make him poor, because lets face it, he was probably three times as good as Lucas as Henderson put together.

But by the same token, no-one in their right mind would claim that Lucas and Henderson are better footballers than he is now. They aren't and never will be.

Steven Gerrard is a long way past his best. But he's still Liverpool and Englands best midfielder by an absolute mile.

If we can save his legs when we're a couple of goals up and rest him against very weak oppossition in cup games, I'm all for it. But if it came down to it, 10 minutes left at 0-0... I know who I'd rather have on the pitch out of Gerrard, Lucas and Henderson... and it certainly wouldn't be the younger players.

Obviously its got nothing to do with Gerrard failing to cross the halfway line in the second half ,and more to do with the agenda we select few
have taken upon ourselves to drive with wild abandon...... I totally concur Stu ,I'm being reckless by hurling around these wild expectations
of the team I support expecting players over the age of 30 to formulate a tackle of sorts after playing a full 45 minutes... ... I will definitely
be having a word with myself.

Stu you are either stupid or not reading what myself and others are writing.

I dont want Gerrard out of the side infact i want him in the side but playing well for them club. I dont think he will be able to play to his potential one week if the week before he was given the run around by some midfielders alot fitter than him.

Ill repeat what i am saying so you can understand.

Gerrard shouldnt play in those pointless away games so he is fully 100% fit for a home game or a game in which we need to show attacking prowess. There is no point in him chasing the ball for 90 minutes and not getting close to it. When you can use Hendersons strength in the fact he is an engine and will chase for 90 minutes no problems.

[quote="[url=http://www.liverpoolfc-newkit.co.uk/viewtopic.php?p=1221578#p1221578]StuYesThatStu » Wed Oct 16, 2013 10:27 pm[/url
I think its fair to say that Supersub and one or two others clearly have some sort of other agenda by slagging Gerrard off. Its clear for whatever reason Supersub hates the fact that the kop have sung about him and love the way has played over the years and tries to make a mockery out of calling him captain marvel or something else just as daft. The fact was, Steven was the real life Roy of the rovers. Deal with it.

Also, no-one in their right mind would claim he's still the same dynamic, lightening quick, all action world class monster of a player that he was at his peak. No-one is suggesting he's even half the player, but just because he's half the player he was certainly doesn't make him poor, because lets face it, he was probably three times as good as Lucas as Henderson put together.

But by the same token, no-one in their right mind would claim that Lucas and Henderson are better footballers than he is now. They aren't and never will be.

Steven Gerrard is a long way past his best. But he's still Liverpool and Englands best midfielder by an absolute mile.

If we can save his legs when we're a couple of goals up and rest him against very weak oppossition in cup games, I'm all for it. But if it came down to it, 10 minutes left at 0-0... I know who I'd rather have on the pitch out of Gerrard, Lucas and Henderson... and it certainly wouldn't be the younger players.[/quote]

captain marvel...just repeating andy townsend from Tuesday...the fact that the media crowned him that and captain fantastic and every other marvel comic cliché

no agenda just realisation that SG is not the player you try to portray him as
not been the SG we remember for quite awhile, not just this season but a few before....to claim he is world class, yes he deserves the accolade but I very much doubt any world class team would put him in their centre midfield position now...
certainly not 3 times as good as Lucas and Henderson put together...silly school yard comment
you obviously watch football but you miss 50% of what is actually happening on the pitch

Anyone who thinks Owen was more the complete forward than Fowler "clearly hasn't a clue", ( to use newkit phraseology )

"When I join up with England, these games are bigger than Champions League games or league games"

This is an old Gerrard quote.  There is more in that interview but he basically admits that its more important playing for England than Liverpool.  Or at least that the games are more important.   

Sometimes his performances / interviews reflect that too in recent years.  (in my opinion at least)

jacdaniel » Thu Oct 17, 2013 9:12 am wrote:"When I join up with England, these games are bigger than Champions League games or league games"

This is an old Gerrard quote.  There is more in that interview but he basically admits that its more important playing for England than Liverpool.  Or at least that the games are more important.   

Sometimes his performances / interviews reflect that too in recent years.  (in my opinion at least)

In terms of level, International football trumps CL or league football. Maybe his is a view of the level as opposed to importance to him.

Stevie is a long way short of being past it, but obviously at his age he is on a slow decline.

He is now a different type of player. His change of style will extend his career in much the same way as Diggers did.

He remains the heart of the club, and the best passer, tackler and crosser in the side. He also has more vision in his todger than the rest of the team put together. He has a few special moments in him left yet!

Well said CrazyHorse

Having watched Steven Gerrard since his debut I think hes like an open book. He is a sensitive prson who worries about things and this is reflectd more often than not on the pitch. I will give three examples, although there are probably more:
1. The chelsea saga. When Mourinho was on the prowl and Gerrard was actually thinking about leaving we could see this in his manner and performances
2. The fight in the bar. When the court case was looming he was a shadow of himself
3. England qualifying for brazil. His body language and attitude have been worrying until...he scored and smiled
I fully expect a worldy on saturday against the geordies because captain fantastic is a happy bunny!

He,s still the heartbeat of the team. It will be a sad day when he hangs up his boots. I just hope and pray that we win the prem before he does I know it's a big ask but you never know that's why we love the game because it's so unpredictable and if anyone deserves that medal Stevie does