Liverpool FC Forum

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Thu Jun 13, 2013 9:36 pm wrote:

red till i die!! » Thu Jun 13, 2013 3:49 pm wrote:

Reg » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:48 pm wrote:It looks like they're being pretty ruthless moving out higher paid/average ability and looking to replace with less highly paid (economic crisis is helping there), younger and better prospects. They have no choice if they plan to redevelop Anfield at the same time, the two strategies are mutually dependant.

If we are going to redevelop anfield then i would understand why we wont spend big on players. we arent though and fsg have made it clear that a redevelopment would only happen through the help of sponsorship.
when they bought the club they remarked on how well the arsenal model works and its something they would like to emulate with us. it looks like they are well on their way to enforcing that already and this transfer window could very well turn a profit.
its a model thats clearly flawed and proved by a player that wanted to leave arsenal to win a prem medal, which he did.
even if we where to fill an extra 20 odd thou seats a week there is no reason to suggest we will spend more on higher quality players.

at £50 a ticket would a mid table side fill a 60,000 seat stadium week in week out? in this consumer age if the `product` on the pitch isnt great people vote with their feet (which is what happened when hodgson was in charge).

thats exactly it, they need to focus on the pitch and get us back up there challenging. show some ambition with a few decent signings and be prepared to spend at least 60mil on 3 decent players rather than run when they hear a figure north of 10mil.
last time i was there i think it was 45 for the ticket so with a new stadium its bound to be more than 50. we will probably have to foot half the cost so that will affect something down the line,either transfers/wages or ticket prices. for a club of our stature/history and earning power its beyond frustrating.
if we lose suarez,reina,skyrtel and carrroll then they need to be replaced by players like that papadop and michktarin.

IMHO as a fan, I don't think Liverpool can make it to CL next season without Suarez. His departure will set the clock back. I am not impressed by the forthcoming additions of Aspas and Mkhitaryan. If you want to analyse Mkhitaryan by just looking at the goals he scored in Armenian league, yeah he looks impressive, that is not an accurate indicator of his real ability. Even A.Carroll looked impressive by just looking at the goals he scored for Newc. To better analyse him, look at the youtube videos like H.Mkhitaryan vs D.Kiev, vs Dortmund, vs Chelsea and many more and you'll notice his standards is miles away from Suarez and Stevie G. He doesn't like to hold the ball for long and just passed it away every time he gets it making him looked like having no confidence with the ball. He doesn't have much dribbling skills either. His only strength is, he can score goals when the opportunity comes begging but not that clinical either. I think BR will be making another transfer blunder in signing him. He is overrated by the press. Anyway, I hope to be proven wrong. I hope he won't join Liverpool.

I've just seen the league table, for fuk's sake, we've dropped down to 9th...          RODGERS OUT!

Yeah and Manure have dropped to 11th and Arsenal are champions again after 10 years

I hope Brendan will be revealing the names in the 3 envelopes he said last year. Could Suarez be one of them? If it is, then he is a prophet.

Red Focus » Thu Jun 20, 2013 4:54 am wrote:I hope Brendan will be revealing the names in the 3 envelopes he said last year. Could Suarez be one of them? If it is, then he is a prophet.

i think it was a motivational tool he was using.
he would be awful stupid to put 3 players names in an envelope at the start of a season and say it contains the names of 3 players that will let us down. if he did then it is obviously players he wants to ship out.
id honestly prefer if he used those envelopes to plug his cake hole during interviews and stop himself from making statements like this.

red till i die!! » Thu Jun 20, 2013 3:36 pm wrote:

Red Focus » Thu Jun 20, 2013 4:54 am wrote:I hope Brendan will be revealing the names in the 3 envelopes he said last year. Could Suarez be one of them? If it is, then he is a prophet.

i think it was a motivational tool he was using.
he would be awful stupid to put 3 players names in an envelope at the start of a season and say it contains the names of 3 players that will let us down. if he did then it is obviously players he wants to ship out.
id honestly prefer if he used those envelopes to plug his cake hole during interviews and stop himself from making statements like this.

ferguson used the same trick in 86 when he went to united, it`s an old motivational trick.
rodgers looked embaressed by the whole episode when he was quizzed by journo`s at the end of the season about it, thats what i mean about rodgers learning quick and being a better manager now than he was a year ago, if he walked through the doors at anfield for the first time today he wouldnt be relying on cheap gimmicks to motivate the players.

If he did it now he would probably say to Downing "your names in one of these fu'ckin envelopes, what are you gunna do about it?"

IMHO as a fan, I don't think Liverpool can make it to CL next season without Suarez. His departure will set the clock back. I am not impressed by the forthcoming additions of Aspas and Mkhitaryan. If you want to analyse Mkhitaryan by just looking at the goals he scored in Armenian league, yeah he looks impressive, that is not an accurate indicator of his real ability. Even A.Carroll looked impressive by just looking at the goals he scored for Newc. To better analyse him, look at the youtube videos like H.Mkhitaryan vs D.Kiev, vs Dortmund, vs Chelsea and many more and you'll notice his standards is miles away from Suarez and Stevie G. He doesn't like to hold the ball for long and just passed it away every time he gets it making him looked like having no confidence with the ball. He doesn't have much dribbling skills either. His only strength is, he can score goals when the opportunity comes begging but not that clinical either. I think BR will be making another transfer blunder in signing him. He is overrated by the press. Anyway, I hope to be proven wrong. I hope he won't join Liverpool.

I respectfully disagree. He actually plays in the Ukrainian league and NOT the Armenian league, but I'll overlook that little fact. I think he'll be a cracking player for us because he has really good technique and that's the difference between this guy and say Andy Carrol.

Just on the matter of spending big to achieve success
Here is an interesting article:

http://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/latest- ... ling-smart

It is an interesting article - players do get bought for small fees and turn out to be a success - obviously Tomkins posted plenty players from 30 years ago and a couple in recent years but then how many titles have those recent players won ?

For that last 23 years ( since the prem) 5 teams have won the prem - Man Utd , Arsenal , Chelsea , Man City and Blackburn. The last three teams in that list won on the back of heavy spending over a short period of time. Arsenal won also by buying talented players on big fees , the Mancs spend big every single season.

Is there a team that has won the league by not buying big for marquee players ? There hasn't - teams don't win the prem by buying 3 or 4 players for £5mil each.

trust you to find fault

Find fault ?

Sorry but what do you mean ?

The thing that I like the most about Rodgers is that he seems to at least have a plan.  He wants us to play a certain style of football and find players that will fit that style.  Whether it works or not remains to be seen but at least he does have a plan.

When Hodgson was in charge we were shocking.  Most of his signings were baffling and the tactics were awful.  Even at Anfield we were just sitting deep allowing teams like Blackpool to come at us.

When Kenny came in he seemed to have turned it around.  We were playing nice football and appeared to have found a winning formula.  Unfortunately he tore that formula up in the summer and went in a completely different direction.

Hopefully this summer Rodgers will find some more players to fit his system and we'll kick on next year.

redno7 » Fri Jun 21, 2013 9:45 am wrote:trust you to find fault

Some people believe that money determines success, full stop.
What they are missing is how the medias influence has changed with regards to the fans and the players
When purple nose said last season "this is the best united team since 1999" he said it because he had to. They obviously werent but he had to convince the media that they were, so they would report it as such, otherwise city players might have thought they had a chance of retaining the title and would have been prepared to battle to keep it. Obviously it worked because city were woeful. This kind of statement then makes the likes of Lawrenson and Merson repeat it parrot fashion and gullible fans talk about it as if it was fact. Thats how much influence the media, especially sky has on the general ignorant football fan. And of the course the players who take notice of such twaddle.
Same goes for spending money. SSN has a transfer widow segment right the way through the summer, building up to the "FINAL DAY" which will put emphasis on how much clubs have spent and who was the biggest transfer fee. This gives bragging rights to fans so they make a big deal out of it.
As I have said before, if money could guarantee success then city should have pi'ssed the league last season. But united won with an average, elderly team.
Rodgers is working the Shankly way, buying TEAM players to work as a unit. Not "marquee" signings who pout and sulk when the going gets tough.
YNWA!