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maguskwt » Sun Dec 02, 2012 1:50 am wrote:

ConnO'var » Sat Dec 01, 2012 11:48 pm wrote:Is that really how you interpret the statements Rodgers has made regarding the January window?
Interesting. I disagree of course. And the January thing is not the first time that he has made statements which are then later followed by actions or statements which are completely opposite. I hadn't realized it was not obvious to all..... but then not everyone has the same level of savvy, maturity or quotient of intelligence I suppose.

After what happened at the last day of the last transfer window, who can blame him? It's about time people stopped making mountains out of molehills with regards to BR's comments. It's about time you realize that this is a rebuilding period, and he's certainly going in the right direction. He is having to play two 17 year olds in Sterling and Suso because we failed to bring in a wide forward that he wanted. He is having to deal with injury to Lucas who is crucial to his plan to play 1 anchoring midfielder and 2 more foward CM's. Maybe he himself is not sure whether the owners will back him properly in January again. Maybe he is sending a message to the owners. At least bigmick gave Benitez 3 years or so before scrutinizing every little action of his. You people are doing it after 6 months to BR? Get a grip and support the manager... by all means criticize him for playing Downing at LB but blowing up the things he say in the press is getting beyond ridiculous. It's not as if Kenny talked very little to the press. No criticisms there as I recalled  . The rebuilding will continue and it will be at least the start of next season that we start seeing BR's set up as he wants it to be.

Indeed. 

I have no issues with him trying to put his mark on the team and getting us playing the way he envisions football needs to be played. That is a given and any manager worth their salt will have their own views on how best that should be done. Regardless of the fact that I've disagreed with some of his footballing choices, I have no gripes with that aspect of his work........ yet. He will live and die (or triumph) by his methods and I can respect that... especially if he proves to be man enough to change his thought processes should they not be working.

My problem with him is his mouth when addressing the media. He needs to be sure of what he is saying before he makes a fool of himself with the "mixed messages" he sends. By all means, talk to the press.... but if he's to be taken seriously, he needs to be backing that up with consistency and action. Running his gob off won't do this club any good. Rafa Benitez is a classic testament to that.

He has not yet proven that he can indeed manage at this level. All eyes are on him as a relative newbie managing a HUGE club. It isn't helped by the fact that the press are watching all of the Special One's so called proteges to see how they perform. Very newsworthy when one falls.... especially so if it happens at a club of our calibre.

Concentrate on the job at hand and learn from the traditions at the club of past managers keeping things close to heart and only letting on what is absolutely necessary to be shared. As the saying goes, an empty vessel makes the most noise. For his sake and more importantly, the club's sake, I hope his barrel is properly filled with quality. Until that is proven, he should be wary of what he says. Action speaks louder than words..... by now BR should know that.

SouthCoastShankly » Sun Dec 02, 2012 3:55 am wrote:[quote="[url=http://www.liverpoolfc-newkit.co.uk/viewtopic.php?p=1194686#p1194686

It is indeed interesting the premier league table... I can't believe we're only 7  points away from 3rd place. Having said that, we need to sort ourselves out first and convert those overwhelming possession into better results. We are relying too much on Suarez for scoring and that needs to be sorted.

I know most on here are a little underwhelmed by the reports lining us with Sturridge but I think he could be the transfer we need.

He is agile, fits well into a passing side, has flair. Ok not proven much of late but when you look at his record when he starts he has a good conversion rate. His first full season at Chelsea after coming back from the Bolton loan he netter 11 goals in 30 appearances. Not setting the world alight but not a terrible record for a first season.[/quote]

id be underwhelmed by sturridge. i wouldnt write the lad off but he's hardly going to come here and set the prem alight. if im honest id take hooper over sturridge because he wouldnt cost as much and doesnt have an awful looking stroppy head on him .anyway he certainly knows where the net is.
sturridge first came on the scene in 09 and other than that spell with bolton he's been below average. if he had stayed there then he would be a much better player now with the experience rather than returning to chelsea to warm the bench.he has struggled to hold a place since he did come back and we need a much more proven striker rather than spend 15- 18mil on him. at this stage we need a huntelaar not something thats marginally better than ngog.
he refused us twice before and will know that torres and benitez's days are numbered so he might refuse us again in the hope that he can impress the new manager.
for the money he'd cost and the wage he'd want id rather the club sought better value elsewhere

ConnO'var » Sun Dec 02, 2012 4:33 pm wrote:

maguskwt » Sun Dec 02, 2012 1:50 am wrote:

ConnO'var » Sat Dec 01, 2012 11:48 pm wrote:Is that really how you interpret the statements Rodgers has made regarding the January window?
Interesting. I disagree of course. And the January thing is not the first time that he has made statements which are then later followed by actions or statements which are completely opposite. I hadn't realized it was not obvious to all..... but then not everyone has the same level of savvy, maturity or quotient of intelligence I suppose.

After what happened at the last day of the last transfer window, who can blame him? It's about time people stopped making mountains out of molehills with regards to BR's comments. It's about time you realize that this is a rebuilding period, and he's certainly going in the right direction. He is having to play two 17 year olds in Sterling and Suso because we failed to bring in a wide forward that he wanted. He is having to deal with injury to Lucas who is crucial to his plan to play 1 anchoring midfielder and 2 more foward CM's. Maybe he himself is not sure whether the owners will back him properly in January again. Maybe he is sending a message to the owners. At least bigmick gave Benitez 3 years or so before scrutinizing every little action of his. You people are doing it after 6 months to BR? Get a grip and support the manager... by all means criticize him for playing Downing at LB but blowing up the things he say in the press is getting beyond ridiculous. It's not as if Kenny talked very little to the press. No criticisms there as I recalled  . The rebuilding will continue and it will be at least the start of next season that we start seeing BR's set up as he wants it to be.

Indeed. 

I have no issues with him trying to put his mark on the team and getting us playing the way he envisions football needs to be played. That is a given and any manager worth their salt will have their own views on how best that should be done. Regardless of the fact that I've disagreed with some of his footballing choices, I have no gripes with that aspect of his work........ yet. He will live and die (or triumph) by his methods and I can respect that... especially if he proves to be man enough to change his thought processes should they not be working.

My problem with him is his mouth when addressing the media. He needs to be sure of what he is saying before he makes a fool of himself with the "mixed messages" he sends. By all means, talk to the press.... but if he's to be taken seriously, he needs to be backing that up with consistency and action. Running his gob off won't do this club any good. Rafa Benitez is a classic testament to that.

He has not yet proven that he can indeed manage at this level. All eyes are on him as a relative newbie managing a HUGE club. It isn't helped by the fact that the press are watching all of the Special One's so called proteges to see how they perform. Very newsworthy when one falls.... especially so if it happens at a club of our calibre.

Concentrate on the job at hand and learn from the traditions at the club of past managers keeping things close to heart and only letting on what is absolutely necessary to be shared. As the saying goes, an empty vessel makes the most noise. For his sake and more importantly, the club's sake, I hope his barrel is properly filled with quality. Until that is proven, he should be wary of what he says. Action speaks louder than words..... by now BR should know that.

good post conn o var.
he at least should be wary. the same people will be the ones lowering him to the dogs if they thought it would make the back page .
Ive said it before that the worst thing that can happen to this club is having to look for a new manager again next year so for that reason its important that he be supported by the owners.
over the next 2 windows we will have a better idea of what the future holds.

Suarez is banned next sunday against West Ham after his yellow card yesterday. So who is going to play up front? I can't see Yesil or Morgan being given the chance yet. Any chance of Assaidi getting a first premiership start?

friendlyguy33 » Sun Dec 02, 2012 7:01 pm wrote:Suarez is banned next sunday against West Ham after his yellow card yesterday. So who is going to play up front? I can't see Yesil or Morgan being given the chance yet. Any chance of Assaidi getting a first premiership start?

As I says in another thread I suspect he will either swap in Sterling or play Shelvey as a false 9

Downing up front !
PMSL..

How long is Borini out?

SouthCoastShankly » Sun Dec 02, 2012 8:36 pm wrote:

friendlyguy33 » Sun Dec 02, 2012 7:01 pm wrote:Suarez is banned next sunday against West Ham after his yellow card yesterday. So who is going to play up front? I can't see Yesil or Morgan being given the chance yet. Any chance of Assaidi getting a first premiership start?

As I says in another thread I suspect he will either swap in Sterling or play Shelvey as a false 9

This is what he did in Europe isn't it?

This is where i see things with BR at this stage of the season.

Positives

For much of the season I have been impressed by him. I like the way he talks about football and I like his philosophy and the style of football he is committed to. It definately resonates with me. I like teams to press the ball when they lose it, I like to see the ball on the deck and for the most part I also like the 4-3-3 shape we are playing.

It seems to me that the team have been making progress to a point. We certainly pass it well, there is an element of control there in many of the games this season and there have been some good performances. It has also been good to see the defence tighten up somewhat, we couldn't buy a clean sheet the first 6 weeks of the season and we kept shipping really bad goals. That certainly has improved and the fact we WERE 8 unbeaten in the league coming in to last night's defeat at Spudz was also evidence (for me) that things were coming together.

I also like that the youngsters have been given the confidence to go out and perform on a regular basis and I think BR deserves credit for this. I know Sterling appeared to be destined for stardom but the kid is probably worth £20 million in the current market (once he's signed that contract) and BR should take some credit for the way he has handled him thus far. Likewise young Suso, he was struggling for confidence 12 months ago but now we see a lad with a great future ahead of him. We have also seem Wisdom come through and hold his own so it's great that the youth set-up are getting opportunities.

I will also defend his transfer record thus far. It's suddenly seem to be fashionable to have a pop at Joe Allen with several posters now questioning the fee paid for the lad but maybe those posters should revisit the stuff they were writing about Allen up unitl a few weeks ago. The lad is a gem of a player and for my mind, he's a shrewd purchase. don't forget he's only 21. As for the other signings. Assaidi for a few quid looks a bit of a project but for the that sort of money what do you expect in the modern market? I'm not personally a fan of Borini, he looked short of flair and confidence for me BUT it's still early days. YES perhaps a more experienced and proven forward should have been the way to go but there you have it, it's done now so hopefully he'll come back and come through.

As for the backing he has received in the market, it's not been great has it? New project, some very specific ideas in terms of style of play, pressing the ball, shape etc. He needed and needs more funds. It's clear he wanted to rip up and start again but the owners on the one hand removed Kenny because his signings weren't up to it and then expect BR to get results with the same signings. The Dempsey scenario sums it up and has left Rodgers boxing with one hand tied behind his back. It's been particularly embarrassing to see some of the sides he has had to put out on in the Europa League and then to hear the idiots in here bleating about him not going for it in Europe.

Negatives

Can't get away from the facts. It doesn't matter how well we might have played at times or how much progress we might have seen in certain areas from time to time. Our 3 wins in the league this year have come against Norwich, Wigan and Reading. Three poor sides. Against anyone with a bit of quality we have struggled or played well(ish) and not got the 3 points.

BR seemed to have real clarirty in what he was trying to do for much of the season so far but he seems to have fallen foul of fuzzy thinking the past few games as if he has lost confidence in what he is doing, I don't know if it's the pressure, it might be. The early subs, sticking Stewart Downing in a at full-back in EPL games, re-inventing Enrique as the next Gareth Bale and starting Henderson ahead of the likes of Shelvey, Sahin and Suso strike me as a little crazy given that the 3 players mentioned weren't getting anywhere near the starting line-up a month ago. In wide areas we were playing with opposite wingers (right footer on the left and vice-versa) to provide natural width for the full-backs but that has also gone out of the window.

I also worry about the pressure that is now on the shoulders of young Sterling. He plays every EPL game and is expected to deliver particularly now that he is a full England International. It's crazy, the kid is 17 and he has a few more seasons before he is able to deliver top level performances week in week out. Lets hopoe we can bring in some more quality for the wings so that he can be spelled.

Moving forward

I haven't lost faith and i'm confident that with some more backing in the window and a bit of tweaking here and there we can move up the table and occupy a European place (not a Champions League place) come the end of the season. I still like his ideas and I'd like to see what he can do with 3 transfer windows under his belt because it's clear he is unhappy with the squad.

Scottbot » Sun Dec 02, 2012 10:51 pm wrote: re-inventing Enrique as the next Gareth Bale

Good post... but I still think Enrique can definitely play as a winger if we have a proper LB covering him instead of Downing... his understanding with Suarez is spot on similar to Gerrard and Torres. He plays with his head up and sees the runs made by his team mates. His playmaking passes are as good as any CM's that we have as well...

Yes I agree, putting Enrique more forward shouldn't be seen as a negative. As a matter of fact, he's the best winger we have and he's nor really a winger. Maybe we should put him back to LB once we bring in better wingers to aid Suarez but for now he's fine playing forward, as long as Downing isn't replacing him at the LB position.

SouthCoastShankly » Sun Dec 02, 2012 7:36 pm wrote:

friendlyguy33 » Sun Dec 02, 2012 7:01 pm wrote:Suarez is banned next sunday against West Ham after his yellow card yesterday. So who is going to play up front? I can't see Yesil or Morgan being given the chance yet. Any chance of Assaidi getting a first premiership start?

As I says in another thread I suspect he will either swap in Sterling or play Shelvey as a false 9

shelvey will be the worst false 9 in modern football. he cant do sh.i.,t

lakes10 » Sat Dec 01, 2012 7:20 pm wrote:
we was poor

Really Mate?  This forum may have gone to the dogs but you have to at least make some sort of attempt to keep grammar in mind.   

The Good Yank » Mon Dec 03, 2012 4:08 am wrote:

lakes10 » Sat Dec 01, 2012 7:20 pm wrote:
we was poor

Really Mate?  This forum may have gone to the dogs but you have to at least make some sort of attempt to keep grammar in mind.   :p

We iz bad?

Octsky » Mon Dec 03, 2012 2:10 am wrote:

SouthCoastShankly » Sun Dec 02, 2012 7:36 pm wrote:

friendlyguy33 » Sun Dec 02, 2012 7:01 pm wrote:Suarez is banned next sunday against West Ham after his yellow card yesterday. So who is going to play up front? I can't see Yesil or Morgan being given the chance yet. Any chance of Assaidi getting a first premiership start?

As I says in another thread I suspect he will either swap in Sterling or play Shelvey as a false 9

shelvey will be the worst false 9 in modern football. he cant do sh.i.,t

I completely disagree, Shelvey will grow to be a very influential player for us, almost as good as Stevie G has been, he just needs a bit more composure and confidence. The more starts he gets the more he will develop. He has a fantastic shot on him but both him and Sterling seem nervous about shooting at the moment, I think they are both a bit overawed by Suarez and the occasion.