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Yeah, he seems like a straightforward honest fellow.
A fellow having to climb mount Everest keeping up with the owners, the supporters expectations.
Which right now are way too high...

Rodgers will be alright, already I can see improvements in our player, he's just been unfortunate that he hasn't recieved the backing he deserves, but that's not his fault, that's just the way the cookie has crumbled. He hasn't moaned, he hasn't whinged, he's reluctantly accepted matters and is getting on with things. He's a genuine guy is Brendan and I hope he's our manager for a very long time. I think we all knew that this season was going to be as difficult as last season, but I just hope the fans don't turn on him like they turned on Rafa and Dalglish.

Penguins » Sun Sep 02, 2012 8:01 pm wrote:Yeah, he seems like a straightforward honest fellow.
A fellow having to climb mount Everest keeping up with the owners, the supporters expectations.
Which right now are way too high...

My expectations are to see improvement in our final league standing, if Rodgers gets 7th this season that's improvement upon last season, so that's a clear sign that we're moving forwards. If we slip backwards, I will be disappointed, but I will know that it is mainly down to our unsupportive owners who haven't given Rodgers the backing he deserves as a new manager coming into the fray. It feels as though Rodgers is being punished for Comolli and Dalglish's mistakes last summer and that's not fair.

Franky000 » Sun Sep 02, 2012 6:01 pm wrote:We are Sh*t and need to accept that in order to lower expectations. Brendan is a man with a plan, and we are on but a mere first step towards glory. It's a bit like childbirth...at first the woman is in agony, and she shits herself rather embarrasingly, but later on she is presented with a beautiful child, the result of painful labour, and possibly the result of a painful f*ck. Our future glory will not come about without a struggle

 
Best analysis ever !!!

Redman in wales » Sun Sep 02, 2012 7:35 pm wrote:

The Hustler » Sun Sep 02, 2012 7:20 pm wrote:Thats another point someone made. Rodgers wanted full control of 1st team affairs when he took the post, so he has to take responsibility.

I dont blame fully the yanks. We must of got over 8m for kuyt,bellamy+ maxi. + 5m for adam. So theres some cash to spend.

Well mentioned.

Just cause he wanted full control - doesnt mean he was the one saying "no fulham, we'll give you £4m for dempsey and no more" . No - he would have said I want dempsey - and Ayre negotiated and the owners capped the spending.  - I'm not blaming the owners fully, and probably rodgers needs to share some of the blame, but imo less of it (hence his answer in todays presser - no he wouldnt have let andy go on loan if there wasnt anyone coming in)

Completey wrong about the income though. We got £1m total  for kuyt, bellamy + maxi and £4m for Adam.

surely he asked before he sent carroll out how much he had for a replacement?.if he didnt then he's a fool.maybe its a trust thing with fsg and he thought they would pay up for dempsey only for them to drag their heels.
carroll left on thursday morning for WH and we never even put a bid in for dempsey till well over 24hrs later and at that stage dempsey was close to his medical at spurs and our bid was well short of what was being asked anyway.the player openly declared he wanted to come here after he refused to go to villa and that was the time to open with a 4mil bid,the player would know we were in and that would cause a standoff with fulham which would have resulted in us probably getting him for 5 or the 6 spudz paid.
he's the manager and im sure he was in the loop as to what was or wasnt going down.
your right about the figures recieved but did we not also get a fee for the carroll loan and also eccleston's sale? plus we easily shed 200k from the weekly wage bill.thats enough imo to justify an extra 2 mil to sign dempsey

true. so why didnt rodgers get his man that he wanted? - cause the owners capped the spend or ayre did the negotiation. Rodgers prob was involved - but he wanted the player, and said he wouldnt have let carroll go if noone was coming in, so it stands to reason that he felt asured that we had the funds for dempsey.

As ive said, i dont think rodgers is blameless, but i think the owners share the majority of the blame as they held the purse strings tight

I don't blame the manager for the results so far, "mistakes" are to blame for conceding 7 goals in three games.

Mistakes versus West Brom, Defensive mistakes versus Man City for both goals, Pepe Reina + poor defensive back tracking today.

That has cost us these games. We need to concentrate more

bringing owen back would just add to the f**king farce, he shafted the club out of a decent transfer fee when he left (at a time when the club needed the money) and then, despite coming through the ranks at anfield, he goes and signs for man united.
could you imagine ryan giggs, paul scholes or gary neville signing for liverpool? no, me neither, but thats because they actually give a ***** about the tradition and supporters of the club they play for.
thats the same reason why you`d never see the likes of robbie fowler, john aldridge or even vladi smicer in a united shirt.
michael owen cares about one thing in football and thats his career, to bring him back would just show how far out of touch brendan rodgers and FSG are with the soul of this club.

Redman in wales » Sun Sep 02, 2012 9:21 pm wrote:true. so why didnt rodgers get his man that he wanted? - cause the owners capped the spend or ayre did the negotiation. Rodgers prob was involved - but he wanted the player, and said he wouldnt have let carroll go if noone was coming in, so it stands to reason that he felt asured that we had the funds for dempsey.

As ive said, i dont think rodgers is blameless, but i think the owners share the majority of the blame as they held the purse strings tight

im not sure he had any hope for carroll at all and basically told the lad if he stayed he'd be a prop.in saying that though i agree he thought he was getting a replacement or else he would have kept him rather than be without.
when it became clear that the funds werent there though he should have been on the blower demanding that they where.it wasnt an extortionate amount either he was looking for and he could of told them to take the extra from the january budget if there is one but ultimately he should have forced his way and won especially as he had a striker issue.
anyway id imagine he'l be all over the dealings in the next transfer window and wont leave anything to chance.

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Sun Sep 02, 2012 9:32 pm wrote:bringing owen back would just add to the f**king farce, he shafted the club out of a decent transfer fee when he left (at a time when the club needed the money) and then, despite coming through the ranks at anfield, he goes and signs for man united.
could you imagine ryan giggs, paul scholes or gary neville signing for liverpool? no, me neither, but thats because they actually give a ***** about the tradition and supporters of the club they play for.
thats the same reason why you`d never see the likes of robbie fowler, john aldridge or even vladi smicer in a united shirt.
michael owen cares about one thing in football and thats his career, to bring him back would just show how far out of touch brendan rodgers and FSG are with the soul of this club.

bringing owen back would show how desperate and skint we are.

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Sun Sep 02, 2012 10:32 pm wrote:bringing owen back would just add to the f**king farce, he shafted the club out of a decent transfer fee when he left (at a time when the club needed the money) and then, despite coming through the ranks at anfield, he goes and signs for man united.
could you imagine ryan giggs, paul scholes or gary neville signing for liverpool? no, me neither, but thats because they actually give a ***** about the tradition and supporters of the club they play for.
thats the same reason why you`d never see the likes of robbie fowler, john aldridge or even vladi smicer in a united shirt.
michael owen cares about one thing in football and thats his career, to bring him back would just show how far out of touch brendan rodgers and FSG are with the soul of this club.

damn right!!.
that deserves a clappy icon if we had one

As a fan I hate Owen for leaving but we're sinking at the moment and when you're sinking, you'll grab on anything that you hope could keep you afloat even a straw. If Owen still has the ability to fill in our goal scoring vacuum then yeah I don't mind getting him back on a temporary basis till we find that proven scorer.

Though our results now is like the Hodgson era (probably worse), our play have definitely showed we have the potential to be a force to be reckoned with soon. Anyone knows what happened to ASSAIDI? He looked good on his previous club youtube vids but he seemed to have vanished in thin air since we signed him and he wasn't even on the bench. Very mysterious indeed.

FSG has no more money to spend on players. I know many of us are demanding their heads but they did fund KD with 120 million (the greatest spending in the club's history)  and he wasted them all on mostly expensive average players leaving Brendan with loads of s.hit to clear up before we see the light at the end. I feel sorry for the man. Forget about top 4 finish, the best IMHO we can do is 12th place finish, just like Swansea last term.

Lads it took Rafa a couple of seasons to get the side playing as he wanted and - don't forget - a lot of transfers that didn't work out. Once the machine was humming we won some of the most glorious games ever, Real Madrid 4-0 ffs! But these things take time. Rodgers has a plan, he has the passion and vision of a young Rafa but is not allowed to make any mistakes on the transfer front! Thats the biggest difference, no Morientes, none of the other countless lads who didn't work out. So stop blaming the manager for not creating in 3 games what took Rafa 2-3 years.

I thought it was a good game. I'm disappointed we didn't win but that what happens when you don't get shots on goal. Disappointed but not upset because that was good football just missing out on a clinical finish. We need a young Diego Forlan to slot them in and complement Suarez.

A few observations: Carra is finished, there's no way he could have coped with that tempo, good to see the likes of Kelley and Coates on the bench. Similarly with Allen being superb once again, Sterling playing out of his socks and Shelvey looking more composed month by month, either StevieG gets himself fit and fits into this formation or he'll find himself surplus to requirements by christmas. There's no room in the middle of the park for a passenger as Wee Jay found out. Enrique needs to gain 3 yards as well and adapt - quick. Similarly Pepe seems to have lost the spark, not because of the second goal but the smile has gone, the obvious enthusiasm, he looks like he's doing a job, playing for LFC is no longer the centre of his universe.

But its defo upwards and upwards, I don't give a fig we have 1 point after 3 games, we're clearly a far better team than 6 months ago, there's a clear gameplan, style and objective. Its going to take a few months to adjust but we'll get there. Downing... an odd sod if there was one, he played left back last week yet was standing in the box by himself in the last 15 minutes... what to do with that lad?

Meanwhile BR has 4 months to identify the striker who's going to slot away these great chances we're creating. And it isn't, or wasn't, Dempsey.

Allez les Rouges ! 

Not a bad analysis Reg. Though I'm not convinced we are a better team than last year. We played some wonderful football at times last year, we just failed to get the goals we should have. I think in many respects we look much the same - still playing good football, still failing where it counts. I do think Rodgers is a good choice, we are seeing the beginnings of a change in the way we play, but the old problems are still there.

Aye Raoul, the key element is still missing, the clinical finish. But if you draw parallels with a racing car for a moment, Rodgers has come in, changed a lot of the major components and engine manufacturer and shown the car is fast, what he doesn't have right now is the right driver. Rather like Williams F1 this season with that Maldonaldo lad - fast car capable of winning races but wrong driver. So, 4 months to concede as few goals as possible (get the back 4 working under pressure to create a solid unit), natural selection in the midfield as the cream rises to the top, then splash some cash on a clinical finisher in January. It'll be another gamble I'm sure, a lad from Valencia or some medium sized Italian club or somewhere like that.